TRUE (injet printable)

[lablover]

Can anyone give me some sources of true injet printable dvd-r I have some from meritline but the ink never dries. I'm assuming they are for thermal.

I'm printing these on a Epson R300 and the burner is a sony 510A

I did get some memorex CDR and those babies dry in minutes. Would like to find something the same in DVD-R

Thanks

Joe

[JohnnyCNote]

How do you like the print quality of the R300? If you have any images of disks you printed, I'd love to see them. I started a thread for people to upload images to: CD/DVD Printer Results Wanted! Upload your pictures.

Thanks....

[lablover]

The R300 is great. No images but I can tell you the quality is there.

Oh, the disks I got from meritline are Ritek Printables.

Joe

[The village idiot]

Let me guess, you bought the Ritek white top printable disks, didn't you?


Try buying from http://www.rima.com they make sure to put inkjet printable next to the ones that can be used with inkjet printers, and not just white printable. Glad you bought the Memorex so that you know what it should be like.

You might want to buy a sample pack of printable disks instead of a whole spindle.

[leebo]

Idiot, I have some Riteks that said "Inkjet printable".
I've only printed one so far. The ink dried fast, but get it wet and it runs.

Do you know if the Rima's run after getting splashed with water?

A problem I never considered when I got my CD printer is, it's enough of a crap shoot to get blank DVD-R's that won't give problems playing in different players, now I've narrowed that list down to reliable disc's that print OK.

[The village idiot]

Please note - words in " " are qualifiers that only pertain to my opinions, your opinions of what is/is not acceptable may be different.



The ink runs when wet because that printer uses water based dye inks. Also has a lot to do with the coating applied to the disk. I just make sure that I don't place my disks in water. :P

If you want real waterproof disk printing you will have to step up to one of the full color themal printers (expensive), or buy the R800 when it comes out. You could also refill you carts with pigment inks, but there is alot more to that than just filling the empties with pigment inks. Color correction can become a large task after such a change.

The only "simple" and "inexpensive" way to get full color photographic prints that are waterproof is to spray the disks with a clear protective "paint", but that is too messy for me. I just make sure that I don't get the disks wet!

I suggest that everyone with an Epson get some of the Memorex IJPrintable CD's. Epson sells them through the Epson store, so that might mean those disks are the baseline for Epson's disk printing. The Memorex disks have "reasonable" ink retention until you get above about 600% ink coverage. Normal photo quality on glossy should be about 400% MAX ink coverage (100% of each C, M, Y, & K), might be a little higher for some of the other papers (like parchment if you have that setting). Those same Memorex disks will hold about 1200% ink, and still dried quickly enough for my satisfaction. But with more ink, also comes more wash when wet. If layer one and two had not been discolored by layer three and four, then the art work would still be "decent" (this was on a 4 pass disk with some areas up to 1200% ink coverage with CMY making the black).

What you may not have tried is to get a photo wet after printing with your printer. I bet it will at least smudge the ink, especially if you use glossy paper. Go ahead, try it. Then you will see why I always recommend a water proof pigment printer for photo work... always!

As far as disks go, the Ritek IJP disks should all be the same, no matter where you buy them. But if you simply buy white top printable, you may or may not be getting IJP disks.

Please note: I do not have any connection with Memorex, they are simply recommended because the printer manufacturer sells them. If Epson preffered a different disk, then they would sell those other disks. Unless of course if Memorex is a Seiko company just like Epson.

[iooi]

Can anyone give me some sources of true injet printable dvd-r

disks are Ritek Printables

What settings are you using on these disks.
I have found that they dont take a lot of ink very well and are best printed straight after burning while there is still some heat still in the disks. I use photo paper setting for printing to these disks and still think its a bit to much ink.. Black or near black is the worst offender as like "T V I" says its a lot of ink for the coating to carry.
All ways place disk near to my heater after printing to dry them that bit quicker. The CD disks i print have no problems with the same settings so i can only assume that ritek use a diffrent coating on the disks.

[chunkT]

I have no issues with either thremal or ink jet printable with my epson r300. They are always dry to the touch when they finish printing.

I buy all my media from meritline and I have printed on BeAll and Ritek both are awesome for that printer. I do use epson only ink cartridges they are little more but they spray and stick much better.

They come out perfect everytime, I just use the epson software and the default settings other then clicking High Quality on print options.

You guys must be cranking up the contrast or ink settings cause they never run and are always dry when I print.

[lablover]

Hey Village

Yup, those the ones I bought. They really never seem to be dry like those Memorex. I'm glad I bought those to see what it should really be like.

Thanks for the link at Rima...Much appreciated.

Joe

[lablover]

Oh

iooi

I'm not putting tons of ink down. I've found I get great results with the plain paper setting. I also do -1 on the epson print cd software. I'm pretty sure it's the riteks like Village said. When I do the Memorex CDR's...those babies are bone dry when they come out. Even feel better for however weird that sounds.

Now if I can just find some that I can print to the hub...and some and dry like the memorex...I'll be happy.

I think I'll do like Village says and do a sample pack first.

Joe

[The village idiot]

I ordered the sample from them today. It's time to buy some more disks.

Sometimes it's like a forest out there. So many different disks, which ones are the good ones, and which ones are trouble. Then to try and add IJP to the list, can make it bothersome.

[lablover]

I hear ya.

Hope one in the bunch work out. I did 2 sample packs. Looks like most will burn with my DRU 510 A

I'll let ya know how they turn out next week some time when I get them

Again, thanks for the help

Joe

[lablover]

Hey village

Did you get those DVD's yet? Did you get a chance to print on any of them? Just got mine today...Gonna try one soon

Joe

[The village idiot]

Mine are due in on the 7th. Might not get to it until the weekend.

[The village idiot]

Got my disks. So far they all look like printable disks Tried to burn an iso of something I made, only about 3.8GB, 2 coasters. Both were incompatible media in my LF-D311 drive, and both were the Ritek. One was burned with Nero 6, the other with DVD decryptor in ISO mode. And both burned to approximately the same point on the disk. Big problem I have now is that I can't get the media codes with my drive, the only disks that support media codes are DVD-RAM disks. The only other DVD-ROM drive I have is in a compact enclosure with a USB connection, and it doesn't read DVDR disks to save its life. And since Rima didn't breakdown exactly which disks were in the PT-RS Printable sample pack, I'm going to have a hard time determining which ones to buy. I'll do some printing tests in a couple of days and let you know what I found.

[The village idiot]

Bringing this back too life. I finally printed some of the sample pack. And I thought, since no one else has really made a consise post about some of the different disks, I'll give my opinion.

The 4 disks were:

Ritek (G03), Samsung (Beall) somethings, Optodisc (K001), DupEZ (LD)

They were printed on my Lexmark disk printer.

Ritek - VERY saturated colors, matte finish, extra dry time needed of about 5 minutes.

Samsung - horrible print quality, very little saturation, very long dry time (after more than an hour the black portions, 300% ink, are still tacky). Slightly magenta tint to over all printing. Not going to be my favorite disk.

Optodisc - decent saturation, good dry time (slightly more than the Ritek). Slightly shiny surface, almost a semi-gloss.

DupEZ - Best print quality, with good saturation and neutral tone. Matte finish. Good dry time, nearly dry as it exits the printer. Slightly better than the Memorex printable CD's, but will not take 400%+ ink and still dry quickly. This disk is the most accurate print quality of all the disks I have tested.

So between the Ritek and DupEZ would be the 2 of choice, with the DupEZ for my everyday use, and the Ritek if you needed to make the artwork punch!

The downside of all of these is the very large non-printable center area, all are way outside of the stacking ring, and only the DupEZ goes to the outer edge of the disk. Also of note, not all disks have exactly the same outer diameter. The DupEZ being the smallest, and the Samsung being the largest.

[Whitestorm]

I,ve been using Verbatim Data Life Plus and havent had a problem with printing onto them using a Canon i965 printer, they come out dry to touch.

Colours and picture quality are excellent, mind you a media that has a brillant white surface would no doubt give an even better quality.

Printing covers all of the printable area, outside of the disc to the stack ring.

By the way Ive backed up about 200 and no coasters with the Verbatim Data Life Plus 4X, using a Sony DRU-510A, and of course that wonderful program SHRINK and Clone DVD.

Whitestorm

[The village idiot]

OK, I just printed some of the DupEZ 4x (LEADDATA01) disks, and the printable surface really sucks! Much like the Samsung in the above post. Slow drying, and wont take much over 200% ink, which makes brinting black very difficult when you are using a 3 color black (CMY). They are also very cool in tone as compared to other disks and compared to paper. Definately not the same as the old DupEZ 1x disks. Too bad, I probably won't be buying these again, I'll have to see if I can work out a good profile for these disks and my inks.

[Hawseman]

Idiot,

Your Feb 2 post seemed to state otherwise. Did you order some new DupEZ's? If you did are they different than what was in the sample pack?

I purchased the sample pack about a week after you and thought the DupEZ's weren't too bad. They also burned and played well in my standalones. The same standalones that pixelate and stutter with Riteks.

[The village idiot]

The Feb2 post was the 1x version, which was no longer a stock item when I ordered the fifty pack, so I just took a chance that they didn't change the printable coating. And of course, they did

[Tiny71]

I have recently bought a 100 pack of Riteks that are the 4x inkjet printables from RIMA. They are burning great on my Optorite 4x, and are printing great on my Epson R300.

I have enve printed(on accident)on a dvd before I burned, then burned it, and it works with out a hitch.

I also bought the TY CDR inkjet printables from RIMA and they are working great also.

The problems about running inks when water or another liquid(I got chicken grease on one of mine)comes in contact are also not a problem for me(post chicken grease incedent). All I do is print the disc, let it air dry, then use Krylon Workable Fixatif(#1306), commonly found at Michael's. I have yet to try the Krylon Fixatif as I had a charcol drawing that I used it all on.

What I do, so as not to get ANY Fixatif on the writing section of the disc, is to use an empty cd case and lay plastic wrap(just throw it away after use)down on the tray(I also use removeable stickers that I made to cover the hub and hole). Then make sure the dvd is securely in place and spray away. Let it air dry for about 20 minutes(depending on how much you spray on it), and then your set. A printed dvd that will not smudge or run(in my experiece disclaimer goes here)when water or other liquids come in contact with it(even chicken grease). I even, as a test, lick my finger and rub the printed disc really hard and it takes a good effort to even smudge it a little.

The fixatif does leave an 'orange skin' effect on the surface, but that does not bother me. I will have to expieriment with other types of fixatif to see if the results differ.

Well, that is my two cents.

[quasar1963]

Could you describe your spraying technique?
..AS in how many passes? A gentle misting?

[Hawseman]

.....(I got chicken grease on one of mine)comes in contact are also not a problem for me(post chicken grease incedent)......

[The village idiot]

Could you describe your spraying technique?
..AS in how many passes? A gentle misting?

There are plenty of other threads about spraying disks.

[burdell1]

Hey village idiot,

You have a Lexmark DVD printer? I didn't know they made one...where can you buy it? I have the Epson R300 and am having problems...I have some Meritline DVD Cover inserts and those streak (when wet)as well (and also sometimes when dry.)

[Tiny71]

Could you describe your spraying technique?
..AS in how many passes? A gentle misting?

There are alot of threads for spraying but I will post mine here anyway.

The spray I use recommends a spray distance of 10 to 12 inches away from what ever you are spraying. I, however, use a distance of 20-24 inches as to get more of a misty type spray.

Like any good painter, you start OFF of whatever you are spraying and sweep left to right(or visavers depending on your preference), again ending OFF of whatever you are spraying. I use a constant spray, so yes I do waste a bit, I just like it better.

I spray(mist) the DVD to the point that I can see(from experience I can just tell)that it is about to the point where the saturation is enough that anymore will make it run. Then I remove it from the holder(the holder being a jewel case lined with tripled over plastic wrap)and make sure NOTHING got on the reading surface, then place it in a DVD case to dry overnight. I have an old breadbox that I put it in so as not to contract dust overnight.

Then I inspect it in the morning to see IF I need an extra coat, but so far I have never had to put on an extra coat(after experimenting with many DVDs).

[Poppa_Meth]

I'll post up a couple pics of CDs I've printed on the R300 tonight, both memores IJP discs. As for spary, I've used the Krylon Crystal Clear Gloss recently. I'm not having the best results with it yet. I mist on several light coats, 2-3 at least. The orange peel effect isn't as bad as some I've seen but its hard to get a good coating. spray it light enough to looks decent and its still easy to smears parts of it. spray it enough to coat well and it looks like ass. I'm going to get ahold of some of this Patricia Nimrock's Plaid Clear Acrylic Sealer that I've heard about as being one of the best for this.

Anyone use the Taiyo Yuden +R Printables from Rima yet? How do they print if so? I'm thinking of ordering at least a sample pack. They are more expensive than the Riteks I'm using now, but I've heard reports of bad Riteks lately so I may switch over.

[The village idiot]

Hey village idiot,

You have a Lexmark DVD printer?

Yup!

I didn't know they made one

They don't, I did

where can you buy it?

You can't, but you might be able to make one from the guide in the guides forum, just search for lexmark and it should pop right up.

[The village idiot]

OK, I just printed some of the DupEZ 4x (LEADDATA01) disks, and the printable surface really sucks! Much like the Samsung in the above post. Slow drying, and wont take much over 200% ink, which makes brinting black very difficult when you are using a 3 color black (CMY). They are also very cool in tone as compared to other disks and compared to paper. Definately not the same as the old DupEZ 1x disks. Too bad, I probably won't be buying these again, I'll have to see if I can work out a good profile for these disks and my inks.

Just tried one of the 4x DupEZ at work with my Lexmark printer... It still takes forever to dry some simple black text (300% ink or CMY black). While a simple gray ring around the outside edge was fine. I guess it is time to change the "paper" settings, and next time just buy something better. Maybe I'll blast Rima an email since they still have sample packs with the 1x DupEZ that they no longer sell.