DVD Shrink causes PC to reboot

[aich75013]

I am having problems where DVD Shrink causes my PC to reboot.
It especially does it when I backup the complete movie.
I have been able to re-authormany of my daughters cartoons, backing up the movie only, but last night I tried to do this with The Green Mile, but it caused my PC to reboot, several times.
Any thoughts on what would cause this to happen?

Here are my steps:
1. DVD Decrypter to create an ISO.
2. Daemon Tools to Mount the ISO.
3. DVD Shrink to re-author.

Thanks,
Adrian.

[nomads]

Could be that your CPU is overheating.

[jarvis1781]

the only thing i could think of that might cause this problem is too much HEAT.

doing the short cartoons where there probably isnt too much compression (if any) needed works because the CPU doesn't get taxed too much, but transcoding a big movie like The Green Mile will produce a lot of HEAT from all the watts your CPU uses up.

you might want to look into better case cooling or a more efficient CPU fan.

but since I have none of your system specs I can only speculate...I could be totally wrong

that's the best I can do with the information you have given

[jarvis1781]

LOL nomads. you typed faster than I did
i started the post and you finished before me

[aich75013]

I have a P4 2.4c w/ 800fsb (not overclocked)
Abit IS7 motherboard
512mb 400 DDR memory
400 W Raidmax Power supply.

I installed the hardware monitor, and the CPU temp went from about 50C to 61C. The PWM temp went from 39C up to 70C (it jumped around.)
System temp stayed at about 37-38C.
Is this high for the CPU temp? It is set to warn me if it reaches 70C.
I uninstalled Roxio, which came with the dvd burner, and afterwards I now get the BSOD with some stop error.

A friend thinks it could be the power supply. Any thoughts?

Thanks for the help !!

[richdvd]

but transcoding a big movie like The Green Mile will produce a lot of HEAT from all the watts your CPU uses up.

Explain to us... how a big movie causes your CPU to use up more watts?

[toronto098]

I have a P4 2.4c w/ 800fsb (not overclocked)
Abit IS7 motherboard
512mb 400 DDR memory
400 W Raidmax Power supply.

I installed the hardware monitor, and the CPU temp went from about 50C to 61C. The PWM temp went from 39C up to 70C (it jumped around.)
System temp stayed at about 37-38C.
Is this high for the CPU temp? It is set to warn me if it reaches 70C.

A friend thinks it could be the power supply.

Thanks for the help !!

Based on what you wrote here. Its a good indication that your system is overheating. I would check the CPU fan first. Do you know if the cpu is retail boxed or OEM? Regardless, bring the temperature down is what you need to do.

[aich75013]

Based on what you wrote here. Its a good indication that your system is overheating. I would check the CPU fan first. Do you know if the cpu is retail boxed or OEM? Regardless, bring the temperature down is what you need to do.

It was retail boxed, so it is using the stock CPU fan. This is a home built computer.

[richdvd]

it may be overheating..but is it because the movie is too long...of course not..

[bingolong]

Hi aich75013,

I recently upgraded my home system to a P4 2.5 800 FBS chip with 512 of RAM on a Soyo board. I noticed that the system was running hot. I discovered that the problem was the air flow in the case.

I had two 80mm fans in the case (one on the bottom front and one in the near under the power supply). However, the front bezel of the case was covering the front fan. I removed the front bezel, covered it with some mesh I had. Voila, the system was running much cooler.

As a caveat. Make sure that the air is properly flowing through the case. Ideally, air should flow in at one end of the case and should be blown out of the other. You may notice a heat problem if both fans are pulling air nto the case.

Here's a link to a web page on air flow.

http://www.hyperformance-pc.com/CoolingTips.htm

I hope this helps.

[aich75013]

As a caveat. Make sure that the air is properly flowing through the case. Ideally, air should flow in at one end of the case and should be blown out of the other. You may notice a heat problem if both fans are pulling air nto the case.

Hmm. I'll definately need to do some changes there.
I have two fans in addition to the power suply fan, but both (on the side of the case) are blowing air out of the case I believe. I should probably change them to blow ait into the case.
I have two spare fans, so I'll see if I can add them somewhere.
Thanks,
Adrian.

[macleod]

More than likely it is heat, which the other posters have mentioned. I had someone with the same problem. I told him to defrag his hard drive and after reluctantly agreeing, it worked. No more reboots.

I am A+ certified (amongst other certifications) and can tell you that air flow IS an important thing with systems. I can recall countless posts, where people have talked about heat issues affecting everything, and back in the olden days recommendations of putting a fan on high to blow on the capture device so frames aren't dropped during captures.

On your box, do you have the little black things in the appropriate spots. Are all the unused slots on the back of the box covered, etc. Is the computer an inch away from the wall. All those things play a part in air flow.

[akumarsu]

Hello

I am using a Sony Laptop with Win Xp Home edition with Service Pack 1.My comp config are P4 2.8 Ghz,512 Mb Ram & 40 GB.I am having a problem Only When I use NERO.I have a Nero V 5.5. & I have downloaded the updates for V 5.5 from Nero.com.The problem I am having is as follows

When I use Nero to make A DVD or CD Everthing works fine.The DVD or CD is made but after I exit out of Nero my computer dumps & I get a Message 'PHYSICAL MEMEORY DUMP'

Any help will be greatly Appreciated.

[Jayhawk]

aich75013,

I completely agree with toronto098 and macleod as to this being heat related. I have experienced significant heat increases when Nero (or in my case MPEG-VCR) is required to recode. I have not had any shutdowns or reboots but one time did activate my cpu warning beep. My guess is that the cartoons did not force recoding, or very little. Green Mile on the other hand is 188 minutes and will require significant bit rate changes.

I have a P4 2.4 with the stock Intel cpu fan. I have an aluminum case (highly recommended for heat control) with one fan drawing air in the front and one pushing out in the back. The name of the game is air flow through the case. My resting cpu temperature is at 93 - 95f (34 - 35c). I have my warning set at 127f (53c) and have only reached it one time.

Possible solutions to your problem (if it is heat) would be:

Insure you have at least one fan in the front PULLING air in, with the rear fan(s) PUSHING air out.

Make sure the cpu fan is securely fastened to the CPU, and is spinning at 2700 to 3500 RPM (BIOS HEALTH screen should tell you). Thermal paste should not be used UNLESS you remove the Intel thermal paper that comes with the retail fan.

A 3rd side fan blowing on the cpu is not a bad idea if your case allows it but the important thing is air flow from front to back as bingolong recommended.

Lastly, the Intel fan is OK for normal use but not the greatest fan in the world. You may want to consider an upgrade IF you can't solve the airflow problem and you plan on backing up a lot of 3+ hour movies.

Hope this helps.

[toronto098]

I am A+ certified (amongst other certifications).

Let me tell you that I know so many paper MCSE's and A+ certified folks. Having that really don't mean anything these days.

[richdvd]

I am A+ certified (amongst other certifications).

it's about the equivalent of high school in the computer industry. Nothing at all to brag about.

[aich75013]

This is my case:
http://shop4.outpost.com/product/3504284

There isn't a space for a fan in the front, but I do remember a place in the rear for one.
I just need to add some length to one of my spare fans and add it so that it blows air out.
And I will reverse the two fans on the side of the case, so that they are blowing in.

[Jayhawk]

it may be overheating..but is it because the movie is too long...of course not..

Actually, that's exactly the reason. Backing up short cartoons requires very little CPU work. Re-encoding a 3 hour movie requires intensive CPU work. I keep hardware monitoring on and when I do re-encode using MPEG-VCR I've seen temperatures go up 15 - 20 degrees over a straight burn.

it's about the equivalent of high school in the computer industry. Nothing at all to brag about.

Kind of a cheap shot considering you don't even know cpu activity generates heat.

[jarvis1781]

I am A+ certified (amongst other certifications).

it's about the equivalent of high school in the computer industry. Nothing at all to brag about.

This is exactly the type of garbage he was posting in the thread about the Ethics of renting and copying a DVD. I chalk it up to his inexperience and immaturity. He is probably some teenager just looking to cause trouble. He looks to be going nowhere and he is getting there pretty fast.

@Jayhawk thank you for understanding my post about the heat produced by the CPU. At least someone else understands the way computers work.

I think richdvd just has some growing up to do...

[Jayhawk]

No thanks needed jarvis1781,

The whole point of this topic should be to assist aich75013. Cheap shots and one line comments don't get the job done. Offering real solutions does.

Based on his posts here and in the dvd rental topic I've pretty much decided that he's really not worth the pixels it takes to respond.

[richdvd]

How can a long movie like "The Green Mile" use up more watts on the CPU than normal? Transcoding is Transcoding....It doesn't matter what movie it is. A CPU can't run higher than 100% period. I agree....it sounds like the CPU is overheating but I doubt "The Green Mile" specifically can be blamed for the problem.

[richdvd]

Based on his posts here and in the dvd rental topic I've pretty much decided that he's really not worth the pixels it takes to respond.

Well.....most people in the rental post agreed with me...You and your bum buddy
Jarvis have posted some of the most idiotic things...It doesn't take much more than a few words to respond to your stupidity.

[macleod]

I looked over the few posters that made reference to the A+ certification. When you say it is the equivilant of high school, is this personal experience talking? You obtained your A+ certification and no one hired you?

I am really interested in finding out why you think that the A+ (and other certifications) are worthless. In my industry, certifications, combined with my experience demonstrate my knowledge of different technologies, etc.

Granted, there are folks out there that are real good at taking tests. They have various certs, however, still working at Burger King (hope I am not hitting to close to home with that comment )

Are you one of those people that are contributing to the "paper" certified folks? Are you one of the people that make me have to respond to someone like you talking about "paper" certified folks? When I interview those paper people, I know pretty fast if they are not the real deal. Something that a little common sense and experience gives you

This is a total hi-jacking of this thread and I hope the original poster forgives me (I believe that he got his answer), but I am really curious why you made the comments that you did.

I have read your comments and other posts, and to be honest, I do think you are immature. Dont take offense to that, which I understand (if you are a kid) is hard to do. But some of the posts (particularly the rental post, which was quite amusing) that you have made gives me (and apparently a lot of other posters) the visual impression that you are some pimply faced kid that is upset at the world that you got a D in geography and are working the night shift at Burger King. I hope through your actions, you prove me wrong. [/b]

[richdvd]

I have my A+ and it hasn't helped me very much at all.
It seems too many people around have it.

[macleod]

Ok, now we are getting somewhere. You also have you A+. What other experience do you have with systems that can be verified (either by cert or resume)? What industry are you in? How long, etc. What industry are you shooting for? College degree? What type, etc.

I'll agree that over the last 2-3 years, the IT industry has been hit VERY hard. Companies are wanting MCSE's to be help desk ticket people, which isn't right. The A+ cert is to prove that you have the knowledge to be in a help desk environment and have at least 6 months knowledge. I'll agree that if you are shooting for DBA or a IT PM or something like that, it wont do a whole heck of a lot for you. What types of jobs were you looking at???

My resume is 3 pages long and the last 1/2 of page three is nothing but certifications that I have gained over the years (relevent changes).

[richdvd]

I have A+, N+, MCP, and MCSA

[Jayhawk]

How can a long movie like "The Green Mile" use up more watts on the CPU than normal? Transcoding is Transcoding....It doesn't matter what movie it is. A CPU can't run higher than 100% period. I agree....it sounds like the CPU is overheating but I doubt "The Green Mile" specifically can be blamed for the problem

You probably don't deserve this but you did ask a somewhat valid question and it should be answered.

You are correct, CPU's do not run past 100% unless they are overclocked or otherwise voltage manipulated. They do however run way less than 100% most of the time. With all the processing power in the Chipsets (there are two in an Intel system), and in the video card, and in the hard drive electronics, CPU's don't have as much to do as they did in the olden days. A lot of traffic cop stuff which doesn't take much effort.

Memory management and register calculations are something CPU's get very involved with. That's why graphic workstations (CAD drawing, animation) usually have multiple CPU's and upgraded cooling systems. Backing up a file (movie) that doesn't require resizing is really just a little program overhead and a lot of hard drive work. Some memory management but not enough to make the CPU sweat too much.

Re-encoding on the other hand does. This is especially true if the program is analyzing multiple frames to determine (calculate) appropriate bit rates. What actually happens is the cpu receives a "range" of voltage per Intel specs. Watts isn't the right word exactly. As a resting CPU begins to work harder, it draws more voltage (up to a point), and subsequently puts off more heat. That's when shortcomings in case design, fan placement, and fan quality all come into play. For the cartoons, it's possible the cpu was running at 50% just being a traffic cop between the hard drives. For the Green Mile, the recoding calculations no doubt pushed the cpu a little more. More voltage was needed, more heat produced.

Hope this helps a little.

[macleod]

What industry are you in and what are you trying to get into? How close together are those certifications (one of the things I personally look for ) You have some of the COMPTIA's and a Microsoft. When did you get these?

What is your background? You have X years in these systems. You have x years of experience in this industry...

When you go on interviews, what are you hearing. Sometimes those certs are just to get your foot in the door. When headhunters call me it is because I matched X number of certs that their client is looking for. Then its up to me to "dazzle" them with my experience. What people are looking for (IMO) are people that have technical knowledge AND the ability to get things done. In my industry, I spend time keeping the business and the IT groups from killing each other. When I manage a project, I understand both worlds equally and can talk both languages and ensure a successful implementation. No one is going to hire a person that has alphabet soup behind their name if they cant communicate with people and have a track record that proves it. I know that back in the mid/late 90's we commanded high salaries because we had x certs. This was also the same time that companies were hiring excons for work because there wasnt enough people. Now, everything has shifted and times are different. The paper isnt enough to do it.

I am currently negotiating two positions in the midwest. One will take me completed OUT of the IT field and my span of management will grow to 70 people and my role will be that of applying my technical and business knowledge to achieve MY strategic plan for an organization. The other position will be still in IT, however, span of management will be less and it will be more communication and direction for my subordinates and superiors.

[toronto098]

I have A+, N+, MCP, and MCSA

Useless !

Try being MCSE including SQL, Oracle, CNE, NCP (Lotus Notes), ARS (Remedy) Certified, Crystal Reports certified, etc.

[macleod]

Toronto, glad you could join the conversation. My questions apply to you too. Why do you say they are useless?

I guess my experience is very different from y'alls. Of course you (both of you) haven't answered more important questions that I have asked.

I am hoping your answers give me a little more information, but all I have to go on right now is that you both dont have higher formal educations or experience to back up the certifications. Its kinda like "I have a 4 year degree, why aren't the jobs falling in my lap for $150k?"

You (toronto) say HIS certs are useless to richdvd. Why? What can you say to backup "useless"? Does that mean that nobody should even attempt to get them because...

Please let me know why you consider richdvd's certs useless. Have these "paper" MCSE's taken over so that it just isn't worth it anymore?