WARNING: MacTheRipper Region Code Problems

[WiseWeasel]

I must warn you all that we've discovered that MacTheRipper 1.0 (along with the underlying 'dvdbackup' program, as well as Hades) fails to set the region code to '0' sometimes. It's very strange, as it seems to do it sometimes, but not always. We will have this problem fixed in version 1.0.1 due very soon now. For now, be aware that discs you have ripped using MacTheRipper might still be in their original regions. Sorry about the coasters! We also have RCE removal working, and that feature should make the same release, any day now.

[galactica]

if weasels weren't so harry id kiss you!

Thanks for the updates!

[WiseWeasel]

Haha, you really want to be kissing Geezerbuttz, but that imagery isn't any better . . .

[TugBoat]

So let me guess, you found problems with Region 2 Discs? Seems a few people are having problems with 2. On another note, I can't MAKE a region 2 disc! I picked up a few DVDRWs and decided to make a region 2 disc and see if you could rip it with a region 1 player. Yeah, I know, too much time on my hands......

Anyway, using DVDBackup 1.3, I can't make a region two disc. It comes out 1-8 no matter what. Strange. It apparently doesn't have any trouble going from 1 to 1-8, I haven't found a single bad region disc in my collection yet. I have found 12 discs that have RCE enabled though, and I'm only half way through

*cough* You know, a really nice feature *cough* on some apps *cough* is that when you insert the disc, it displays the Region, Protection Type, and RCE status on the splash screen *cough* Nice 8)

[WiseWeasel]

Actually, it was discovered by Geezerbutts, who tried to rip a region 1 disc, and found that it was still region 1 afterwards (he lives in Region 2). I guess it's due to the variability, but I'm quite surprised no one else has noticed this problem until now, through the development of Hades, and now MacTheRipper. The new version of MTR will display the region and RCE info, and should offer to remove the RCE for you. The interface for that isn't quite finalized (or at least I don't know about it if it is), but the user will be notified of region and RCE somehow. To make a region 2 DVD, you can try using OSEx maybe (somewhere in the options), or else, you might have to just make a new DVD project with DVD Studio Pro. Also, the new version of MTR might have the ability to set the region you want the output to be, and that will work for sure (if that feature makes the release).

[WiseWeasel]

By the way, don't tell anyone, but y'all might be interested to see this:
http://www.wormintheapple.gr/macdvd/mtr.html
The download links and contact address don't work yet, but there's a glimpse of MTR's future home. VersionTracker and Macupdate, here we come!

[TugBoat]

Great, all that looks good to me. One thing I just found, the 'Auto' Region display in DVD Decrypter 3.1.9 doesn't work right, so I'm going to have to check most of my Discs again It appears that their 'Auto' RCE Check does work. I ended up with 23 DVDRs I'm going to have to re-Rip to remove RCE. The manual Region check in DVD Decrypter does work.

I managed to use 0SEx to make two Region 2 DVDRWs. One had the RCE left set to Region 1, the other didn't have RCE at all. First I tried the DVD with Reg.2, RCE Reg.1 (Yep, a totally screwed up disk :P ) on my Reg.1 Pioneer 105. Yade X choked, something about "Fatal Error : Can't authenticate, Error Qualifier: 1000. MTR 102 (My version of VPC doesn't work well in Panther so I'm booted to the Jaguar partition) ripped the disc without any problems, except, it's STILL region 2! OK. Second DVD, Reg.2, No RCE, Yade X ripped it without a problem, the results are Reg. 1-8, No RCE. MTR ripped it without a problem, except, it's STILL region 2. *Confirmed*

Sorry but I tried the first version of MTR when it came out and after finding that it didn't remove RCE, I never used it again. I've been playing around with YadeX since or else I would have seen the region problem with MTR sooner. At least it's being fixed now So, if MTR will do RCE, display Region and RCE status automatically, I'm sold

[harleyman35]

just want to let you know all the problems i hade with dvd back up and mactheripper its fixed with "YADEX" it work fine and take off the "RCE" i'm very happy tahnks

[WiseWeasel]

I just got a new test version of MTR 1.0.1, and RCE removal seems to be working fine. If a couple of you would also like to test this out with your troublesome DVDs, drop me a PM or email, and I'll get you a copy. It's only working for 10.3.x at the moment, so Puma and Jaguar users need not apply.

[Coule]

While testing MTR 1.0.1 on my iMac 1.25GHz PowerPC G4 running OS X 10.3.2, I wanted to RIP a region 2 4 DVD (RCE: CLEAR).

I chose DISK REGION : 2 and RCE REGION : RCE 2 and everything seemed fine, EXCEPT when I wanted to play the VIDEO_TS folder with DVD Player 4.0 I got following popup-window-error:

DVD Player encountered a system error

Could not detect a valid media file. (-70024)

The internal DVD-player is an PIONEER DVD-RW DVR-106D

What is going wrong here ? Any ideas ?

Greetings,

Coule

[WiseWeasel]

You were supposed to set the disc region to 0 and leave the RCE popup on default if there is no RCE on the DVD you're trying to rip (when it displays "clear" in the RCE field). If the RCE field had turned red and showed "detected", then you would set the 'RCE region' popup menu to the DVD's original region (i.e. RCE region 2 for a region 2 DVD). Also, note that 'main feature' mode does not produce a playable VIDEO_TS folder, requiring you to use DVD2OneX in 'film' mode on it to make it playable.

[TugBoat]

Hey Wise,
I'm having trouble with the 'Extract Title' mode. Sometimes it works fine, sometimes it doesn't. Like, you tell it to extract title 3, it extracts title 5. Or tell it to extract title 9, it extracts title 5. Also, the 'Extract Title Set' mode has the same problem as 'Extract Main Feature' mode, but I assume you knew that. You can do the tocgen trick to fix the 'Extract Title Set' results as well, for those that don't have DVD2oneX.

[WiseWeasel]

Make sure you're not confusing the Title # and Title Set # in the disc info text. Are you saying that title mode does produce a working VIDEO_TS folder, unlike Title Set and Main Feature modes?

[TugBoat]

The only function that makes a working Video_TS folder for me is 'Extract Complete Disk'. All the other functions are missing the VIDEO_TS.BUP & VIDEO_TS.IFO files but can be made to work using the tocgen trick.

What's confusing as 'ell is the Disk Info, and I could have made a mistake or two, but there are a few cases that I'm pretty sure about
Take this example, I told MTR to extract title 7 chapter 1-1 from this mess;

libdvdread: Using libdvdcss version 1.2.8 for DVD access

Main feature:
Title set containing the main feature is 9 The main feature has 34 chapter(s), 7 audio channel(s), aspect ratio of 4:3, and 1 angles.

Title Sets:
Title set 1 has an aspect ratio of 4:3, 1 angle(s), 1 audio track(s), and 0 subpicture channel(s).

Titles included in title set 1 .
Title 4 has 1 chapter(s).

Title set 2 has an aspect ratio of 4:3, 1 angle(s), 1 audio track(s), and 0 subpicture channel(s).

Titles included in title set 2 .
Title 2 has 2 chapter(s).
Title set 3 has an aspect ratio of 4:3, 1 angle(s), 1 audio track(s), and 0 subpicture channel(s).

Titles included in title set 3 .
Title 3 has 2 chapter(s).
Title set 4 has an aspect ratio of 4:3, 1 angle(s), 1 audio track(s), and 0 subpicture channel(s).

Titles included in title set 4 .
Title 10 has 2 chapter(s).

Title set 5 has an aspect ratio of 4:3, 1 angle(s), 1 audio track(s), and 0 subpicture channel(s).

Titles included in title set 5 .
Title 9 has 2 chapter(s).

Title set 6 has an aspect ratio of 4:3, 1 angle(s), 1 audio track(s), and 0 subpicture channel(s).

Titles included in title set 6 .
Title 11 has 2 chapter(s).
Title 13 has 2 chapter(s).
Title 14 has 2 chapter(s).
Title 15 has 5 chapter(s).

Title set 7 has an aspect ratio of 4:3, 1 angle(s), 1 audio track(s), and 0 subpicture channel(s).

Titles included in title set 7 .
Title 5 has 2 chapter(s). Title 6 has 2 chapter(s).
Title set 8 has an aspect ratio of 4:3, 1 angle(s), 1 audio track(s), and 0 subpicture channel(s).

Titles included in title set 8 .
Title 8 has 2 chapter(s).

Title set 9 has an aspect ratio of 4:3, 1 angle(s), 1 audio track(s), and 4 subpicture channel(s).

Titles included in title set 9 .
Title 1 has 34 chapter(s).
Title 16 has 2 chapter(s).

Title set 10 has an aspect ratio of 4:3, 1 angle(s), 1 audio track(s), and 0 subpicture channel(s).

Titles included in title set 10 .
Title 7 has 2 chapter(s).

Title set 11 has an aspect ratio of 4:3, 1 angle(s), 1 audio track(s), and 0 subpicture channel(s).

Titles included in title set 11 .
Title 12 has 2 chapter(s).


It gave me VTS_10_1.VOB. And after typing all the above, I'm no longer concerned about it
So, I'll probably never use this mode anyway

[WiseWeasel]

VTS_10 is the correct one, as Title # 7 is in Title Set 10. It does get pretty hairy, and I only use Complete Disc mode, but it's nice functionality to have for some people. If you want a specific title or chapter, something like YadeX is going to be a lot easier to use than trying to figure out the right one with MTR. For Complete Disc mode, however, MTR is easy to use, and now removes all protections from DVDs, including all RCE and region codes in the test version of 1.1 (formerly known as 1.0.1). Also, we'll be getting that much-requested progress bar during the processing.

[WiseWeasel]

... You can do the tocgen trick to fix the 'Extract Title Set' results as well...

As for the tocgen suggestion, that's a very good idea, and I have forwarded it to Geezerbuttz. I managed to locate the source, and he's working out a way to work it into MTR, and make playable VIDEO_TS folders automatically. It will probably be making the final 1.1 release. Thanks for the idea on that one (duh, why didn't I think of that...).

[Coule]

Ok I redid my MTR-test with the SAME DVD:

Now I chose DISK REGION : 0 and RCE REGION : RCE Off and everything seemed fine, EXCEPT when I wanted to play the VIDEO_TS folder with DVD Player 4.0 I got following popup-window-error:

DVD Player encountered a system error

Could not detect a valid media file. (-70024)

Now I downloaded DVD2oneX and processed the movie in Full Disk Copy mode with Variable Ratio. When I wanted to play the new VIDEO_TS folder now with DVD Player 4.0 I got the SAME popup-window-error:

DVD Player encountered a system error

Could not detect a valid media file. (-70024)

Can you tell me what is happening here please ?

[WiseWeasel]

What mode are you using in MTR? Is it Main Feature extraction? If so, try using 'film' mode in DVD2OneX, instead of 'full disc' mode. If you are doing a Complete Disc extraction in MTR, then your problem has us stumped. Please give more info on this.

[geezerbuttz]

YEAH.... like send us a copy of the VIDEO_TS.IFO ..... ( if of course you extracted one !!!!)

[geezerbuttz]

Dear Tugboat...might i make a suggestion...instead of posting comments like...

javascript:emoticon('')Take this example, I told MTR to extract title 7 chapter 1-1 from this mess;javascript:emoticon('')

that you spend more time reading the output from the app and trying to understand it. It clearly states.......TitleSet 10 / title 7.... so you got the chapter you selected from title 7 , that was nested in TitleSet 10....that equates to VTS_10_0.VOB. So the app works.

If you need an easier layout , might i suggest DVDBackup.

[TugBoat]

If you need an easier layout , might i suggest DVDBackup.

But, but, like I said, I'll never use that function. And I just love what you've done with the Region Display, and RCE Checking

Personally, I'm with Wise, the only function I'll probably use is the 'Extract Complete Disk' and that is extremely easy and effective. I'm sticking with you and the Ripper for now. Back to coding with you :P

[geezerbuttz]

Hey COULE...

Could not detect a valid media file. (-70024)


that error code means..... ( right form the DVD sdk headers...)

The drive region code was not initialized.

thats a prob with your drive... not MTR...
Geezerbuttz.

[WiseWeasel]

But he's playing the VIDEO_TS folder from his hard drive... I think that's just an error DVD Player gives when you don't have a working VIDEO_TS folder or something. I'm betting that 'disc copy' mode in DVD2OneX doesn't make the right files, assuming they're already there.

[Coule]

I did indeed a "Complete Disk Extraction"

What info do you want exactly ?
I can send you the files if needed ...

Polite greetings,

Coule

[qshartle]

I just got a Region 3 dvd, and i am making a backup of it so i can watch it on my dvd player.....well, I first extracted it with full disc, and used ifo edit to see what it was..............it still had rce protection. I didnt change it with ifoedit, because VPC sucks on my comp. hen I opened the Video TS folder in DVD Player. It said, "CHANGE DRIVE TO REGION 3?". and it was reading from a folder! So then I ripped the movie again, on just the main title, opened it up again, and it played fine. Region Code 0, RCE off. Odd.



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[WiseWeasel]

What version of MTR are you using?

[geezerbuttz]

if you rip just main feature, the VIDEO_TS.IFO is ommited .. that contains the region bits.... you may still have RCE if you try this method... And as WW asked... what version are you using?

[qshartle]

I have the latest one for 10.3 not for G5.....yet.......


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[WiseWeasel]

If you have the latest public release, then there is no region or RCE removal in MTR at this time. That will be added in version 1.1.

[qshartle]

i have the latest public release, and i guess the dvd I had didnt have rce on it.


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