new ADVC-100 trick discovered!

[mracer]

I'm not sure if this is useful for anything, but it's new to me and I've never seen it mentioned on here before. Here goes:

The ADVC-100 can be networked via firewire and connected to 2 PC's simultaneously. This was using 2 Windows XP Pro SP1 PC's. The ADVC-100 is connected into the first PC but not turned on. The first PC is connected via a seperate firewire cable to a 2nd PC. I have configured firewire network connections on both PC's. When the ADVC-100 is turned on, the 2nd PC reacts as if the ADVC-100 were plugged directly into it. The device manager picks it up and it becomes available to capture programs on both PC's at the same time. The 2nd PC has the familiar AVC compliant device listed in device manager as expected but there is also a new entry under network connections called a "Microsoft network/TV Device".

Unfortunately the first PC must be turned on in order to pass through the ADVC-100 signal to the second pc.

[au7usa]

I'm guessing it only works with XP.

Does anyone know if the driver from XP will work in Win2k?

[Will Hay]

That is one great trick, thanks for posting.
Now, if I could only figure how the hell to network my laptop and my PC with firewire
Will

[mracer]

Will, it's very, very easy to network with firewire in Windows XP. If you have a working firewire card on each PC, you already have a "1394 network connection" listed in network connections. All you need to do is configure a private IP address for the 1394 connection on each PC that is in the same subnet, but different than your ethernet network subnet.

EXAMPLE: Under tcp/ip properties of the 1394 net connection, I used the IP address 192.168.121.1 on one PC and 192.168.121.2 on the other. Subnet mask 255.255.255.0 on both, nothing else has to be configured. Once this is setup, create a shared folder on your fastest PC and place a large file in it. Temporarily disable the ethernet connection on one of the PCs and then time how long it takes to copy the file from one PC to the other. Now enable the ethernet and disable the firewire network connection on one of the PC's and time the transfer of the same file again. I was getting speeds using firewire twice as fast as 100mb/s switched ethernet, which could be useful if transfering a 26GB 2 hour DV movie file.

[au7usa]

OK, i've downloaded "xpsp1a_en_x86.exe" and extracted the following files:

1394bus.sys
arp1394.sys
nic1394.sys
ohci1394.sys

I can't seem to find the "1394.inf" file, does anyone know where i can find one? I'm determined to make this work with Win2k!

[Will Hay]

Will, it's very, very easy to network with firewire in Windows XP. If you have a working firewire card on each PC, you already have a "1394 network connection" listed in network connections. All you need to do is configure a private IP address for the 1394 connection on each PC that is in the same subnet, but different than your ethernet network subnet.

EXAMPLE: Under tcp/ip properties of the 1394 net connection, I used the IP address 192.168.121.1 on one PC and 192.168.121.2 on the other. Subnet mask 255.255.255.0 on both, nothing else has to be configured. Once this is setup, create a shared folder on your fastest PC and place a large file in it. Temporarily disable the ethernet connection on one of the PCs and then time how long it takes to copy the file from one PC to the other. Now enable the ethernet and disable the firewire network connection on one of the PC's and time the transfer of the same file again. I was getting speeds using firewire twice as fast as 100mb/s switched ethernet, which could be useful if transfering a 26GB 2 hour DV movie file.

Many thanks, I'll set that up in the next week or so
Will

[au7usa]

I've collect all the pieces of WinXP IP-Over-1394 driver and installed on my Win2k machine. After reboot i was surprized to find No-Errors, and seemingly normal function. However, there was no 1394-NIC in my Network Preferences.

After looking on a few forums to figure out why my system didn't pick up a new device i found;

"To create a network by using IP over 1394 support, connect two Windows XP computers with IEEE 1394 ports together with a 1394 cable. While this connection is present, Ipconfig.exe displays the interface as 1394 Connection"

So maybe it is working the way its supposed to.

Somebody with WinXP.....Do i need to connect two machines together via FireWire before the 1394-NIC sppears?

[rlcoach]

I have a LAN setup at home, do you know if it would be possible for me to connect a ADVC-100 to my downstairs pc and access it via pc upstairs. (my lan is wired).

My problem is that I want to get an ADVC-100 but will struggle to wire the firewire all the way upstairs as I dont have room to create more wires going upstairs ((((

[au7usa]

I think the maximum cable length of FireWire is 15 feet, so you'll need a couple of repeaters to make it happen that way.

As for connecting a 1394 device over 10/100 NIC;
Wouldn't that be a huge bottleneck?

You might get away with it on a Gigabit Network, i'm not really sure what 1394 will tolerate.

[rhegedus]

I think the maximum cable length of FireWire is 15 feet, so you'll need a couple of repeaters to make it happen that way.

I've got a 30ft firewire cable and there are longer ones available.

[au7usa]

Did i remember the spec wrong or is 30-foot a special cable? Anyway, cable length is limited with FireWire.

If you want anything longer than 30 feet you need a repeater or:
http://fwdepot.com/thestore/product_info.php/products_id/422

Gigabit NICs would be a lot cheaper! (or really, really long video cables)

[The village idiot]

Many companies sell firewire cables longer than the 15 foot maximum. Don't know if they work very well. The longest I have seen advertised is 70 feet. Repeaters can be had from Datavideo as well as others for around $70USD.

[tonyk]

For au7usa:

You might take a look at this link:

http://www.unibrain.com/1394_products/1394_networking/firenet_pc.htm

It's a trial program for firewire networking (works for 30 min before it times out) - says it works with Win 98SE, WinMe, Win2000. I haven't tried it, but it looks promising. Might be easier than trying to get the WinXP stuff working in Win2000.

Cheers, --TonyK.

[au7usa]

I hear you, but im not willing to reccomend something that is clearly outside the spec.

I got the WinXP thing working. The FireWire still works just fine with my Pyro A/V Link and the new driver, i just need to drag another machine close to this one to test the networking capability. (I wish i'd bought a laptop)

The closest machine with FireWire is two stories below. Needless to say, i won't be buying a 100 foot firewire cable to test to test it with.

By the way, Windows ME has 1394 capability, and i'm sure the equivalent files would work in Win98.
(And they said WinME was useless.......it makes a good organ donor)

[rhegedus]

Just found a 20m (60ft)! cable:

http://www.1394store.com/eshop/dept.asp?dept%5Fid=6

long enough for anyone's needs.

[rlcoach]

I think the maximum cable length of FireWire is 15 feet, so you'll need a couple of repeaters to make it happen that way.

I've got a 30ft firewire cable and there are longer ones available.

Has that cable been alright without a repeater? I know its outside the spec.

[rlcoach]

I think the maximum cable length of FireWire is 15 feet, so you'll need a couple of repeaters to make it happen that way.

I've got a 30ft firewire cable and there are longer ones available.

Has that cable been alright without a repeater? I know its outside the spec.

[rlcoach]

I think the maximum cable length of FireWire is 15 feet, so you'll need a couple of repeaters to make it happen that way.

I've got a 30ft firewire cable and there are longer ones available.

Has that cable been alright without a repeater? I know its outside the spec.

[rhegedus]

Works like a dream - these are the captures I've done with it:

https://www.videohelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=192925&start=229

[rlcoach]

I have just this minute ordered the ADVC-100 with a 10m cable, now just have to work out how to cable it. At the moment putting the cable alongside the outside of my house looks favourite

[Lscman]

The firewires longer than 15' are designed to be used WITH a repeater. These DV boxes are NOT compatible with repeaters. Both Canopus and Pyro mfr tech support will tell you repeaters do NOT work with their products.

[rhegedus]

Well, my ADVC-100 works using a 30' cable WITHOUT a repeater, so I don't know where you're getting this 15' stuff from.

[corrax]

Somebody with WinXP.....Do i need to connect two machines together via FireWire before the 1394-NIC sppears?

No. Any 1394 ports show up automatically whether anything is connected or not.

corrax