A different Bit Torrent question regarding seeds

[tgpo]

If there are no seeds who is it I was able to finish a download yesturday?

I was at 98% when the only seeder left, but I continued to download my file, how it this?

[Faustus]

Two reason this could happen.

1) Someone out there had your missing part, remember BT does not download parts in order. or...

2) There was a seeder but he just wasn't showing up on the Seeder list, I think this sometimes happens with Superseeding.


Lots of BT questions recently...

[Ripper2860]

OK...

1. Why would/should one use Bit Torrent.
2. I assume it is a P2P ala KaZaa Lite. What are the inherent advantages and how would you rate the amount and variety of "stuff" available?
3. Speed?
4. Security?
5. Is there Adware / Spyware? If so is there a "clean" version?
6. Any inherent security or anonymity advantages that would make it immune to RIAA/MPAA snooping?

Just curoius !!

[Faustus]

All I know is BT is designed to be more communty driven then other programs. In order to spred a file people must do their share. This leads to community which thought not the same as decentralized, makes it so that there are tons of places each doing their own thing.

For a more detailed answer then that you'll have to ask someone else who knows more about the clients.

Oh yeah and I think someone once said its more reliable speed wise for spreading big files.

[tgpo]

1. Why would/should one use Bit Torrent.

You can find things with BT that you can't find anywhere else

2. I assume it is a P2P ala KaZaa Lite. What are the inherent advantages and how would you rate the amount and variety of "stuff" available?

It is a P2P, but you don't search with the program, you only dl and ul. You search a website, called a tracker for the torrent files and then you dl using the client.

3. Speed?

Rages from poor to great. It all depends on how many people are sharing.

4. Security?

Seems safe to me, I don't know the technical aspects though.

5. Is there Adware / Spyware? If so is there a "clean" version?

In the clients I've used no Adware or Spyware

6. Any inherent security or anonymity advantages that would make it immune to RIAA/MPAA snooping?

Again I don't know the technical aspects of the program.



Yeah I finally figured out the not everyone is dl the same piece of the files at the same time. Me at 99% made need to dl the first 1% from someone else. Crazy how it works, but very helpful when there is a lack of seeders.

[porphyra]

[quote="tgpo"]

4. Security?

Seems safe to me, I don't know the technical aspects though.

5. Is there Adware / Spyware? If so is there a "clean" version?

In the clients I've used no Adware or Spyware

6. Any inherent security or anonymity advantages that would make it immune to RIAA/MPAA snooping?

Again I don't know the technical aspects of the program.

Bittorrent infact is more prone to security leaks than any othe p2p software because it publicly exposed your ip. Anyone can see your ip and what you are downloading via bittorrent. In fact your client will show you which ips are connected to you and who is downloading/uploading what.

Most people use and recommed "Peerguardian" with bittorrent. It has a huge database (constantly upgraded) of all government agencies' IPs and block them if they try to connect to your computer. Also includes movie studios, record studios etc. etc. OF course this is also not foolproof but one good way.

Bittorrent has not yet felt the heat as 1) Its still not as popular as other P2P networks as KAzaa. 2) There is no Search/decentralized network. You must find a website with torrents and a tracker 3) It is not as intuitive to use as conventional P2P networks.

But its catching on, and that usually spells trouble.

[makntraks]

1. Why would/should one use Bit Torrent.

You can find things with BT that you can't find anywhere else

Like what?? Warez, screeners, etc...
Alright, I know there are exceptions to this such as amateur pr0n and other non-copyright protected material, etc, but lets be real...
Most of us are not as dumb as one would think when talk concerns downloading through any number of file sharing programs - you need something, someone has it and you want it - for free......... heck ain't that what newsgroups are for??? And you don't have to share your files / bandwidth with anyone else!

makntraks

[tgpo]

Like what?? Warez, screeners, etc...

Who cares about dl movies, I'm talking about Old TV Shows that will never come out on DVD and would take forever to track down individual episodes. You can dl entire seasons of shows from 20 years ago. I saw on guy sharing all the Police Squad! episodes, you'll never see them on DVD. Good stuff like that.

[makntraks]

Like what?? Warez, screeners, etc...

Who cares about dl movies, I'm talking about Old TV Shows that will never come out on DVD and would take forever to track down individual episodes. You can dl entire seasons of shows from 20 years ago. I saw on guy sharing all the Police Squad! episodes, you'll never see them on DVD. Good stuff like that.

Agreed about being able to collect old tv shows wink, wink.. I'm just questioning the legality of d/l'ing them as you do not own the original (to claim that it's your "backuo" copy... and the fact that most of them are NOT in the public domain...

makntraks

[VCDHunter]

Like what?? Warez, screeners, etc...

Who cares about dl movies, I'm talking about Old TV Shows that will never come out on DVD and would take forever to track down individual episodes. You can dl entire seasons of shows from 20 years ago. I saw on guy sharing all the Police Squad! episodes, you'll never see them on DVD. Good stuff like that.

You can get some fantastic stuff off BT, I've picked up a few gems there myself. Also found the speeds to be very good too.

[tgpo]

I'm just questioning the legality of d/l'ing them as you do not own the original (to claim that it's your "backuo" copy... and the fact that most of them are NOT in the public domain...

I have no idea, I'm just a dumb college kid finding ways to waste time between classes.

[andyp1]

In the UK they have just been advertising 'The Phil Silvers Show' as now being available on DVD. Now that was a lot more than 20 years old. probably nearer 50.

[mujahid7ia]

1. Why would/should one use Bit Torrent.

You can find things with BT that you can't find anywhere else

Like what?? Warez, screeners, etc...
Alright, I know there are exceptions to this such as amateur pr0n and other non-copyright protected material, etc, but lets be real...
Most of us are not as dumb as one would think when talk concerns downloading through any number of file sharing programs - you need something, someone has it and you want it - for free......... heck ain't that what newsgroups are for??? And you don't have to share your files / bandwidth with anyone else!

makntraks

When demos or other popular content (like new anime episode fansubs) are just released BitTorrent is WAY faster than a ftp or http server, and no waiting at damn fileplanet. Also popular for linux distros...

[Faustus]

I think I read somewhere that steam is using BT tech to make things go faster.

[washbourne]

Um, well maybe ive missed this point being made esewhere but it seems no-one has brought up the massive speed difference...

but in a simple answer to why use bit torrent over the usual p2p programs would be the simple fact that you can fairly reliably download an entire film or game in a few hours, which would take several days over stanadard p2p.

its the comparrison of generally <20k/s vs. up to 50k/s over standard broadband (but then ive only just started using BT so i won't swear to that...).

[mujahid7ia]

I hope you mean full movie trailer and full game demo.

[washbourne]

of course, me break copyright law? no way, never!

[Shudder]

BT rocks. Missed an entire season of a TV show? You can get the 4 gigs or so in a day or less.

Kazaa is one big piece of crap, always was IMO.

What makes BT great is you HAVE to share the file. Leechers don't get much out of BT, which is the way it should be. Only in kazaa can you have 3 million people online but less files than a 500 person DC hub. And only on kazaa can 350 people have the file you're looking for yet you get 1.2k download speeds.. if any of them even let you download. Kazaa is a last resort

[tgpo]

What makes BT great is you HAVE to share the file.

Not true. Set you max upload connections to 0 and your upload speed to 1 byte a sec and you'll see that you upload nothing.

[Hardcoreruss]

I liked BT for about a week and then i discovered emule, NOTHING beats it.

[mujahid7ia]

Well, content stays alive far longer on eMule, but for new/popular releases, NOTHING beats BT.

[Shudder]

Yeah, emule's good if you don't mind having the client up for a week and ordinarily you can't find it, but for anything under a few weeks I can't find anything better than BT. damn near 200KB/s means I can pretty much have one or two tv shows downloaded in the time I just watch 1 other one.

[nexus123]

Beware of BT I got one of those damn dmca complaint letters (not that I would do anything to warrant it.) Very unsecure also if you have zone alarm (I use the torrent storm client btw) when you load torrent storm it asks if you want to allow it to access the internet (yes) then it asks if you want to allow it to act as a server (no- will keep it from uploading) Peergaurdian is very good because it will block many people that you don't want in your business also it will allow you to export there blocklist to files compatible with many fire walls i.e. zone alarm, black ice, sysgate etc. I think I prefer kazaa now seeing how horrible the security issues are with bt. I almost think that the riaa might have made the program as a trap haha.

[mujahid7ia]

Beware of BT I got one of those damn dmca complaint letters (not that I would do anything to warrant it.) Very unsecure also if you have zone alarm (I use the torrent storm client btw) when you load torrent storm it asks if you want to allow it to access the internet (yes) then it asks if you want to allow it to act as a server (no- will keep it from uploading) Peergaurdian is very good because it will block many people that you don't want in your business also it will allow you to export there blocklist to files compatible with many fire walls i.e. zone alarm, black ice, sysgate etc. I think I prefer kazaa now seeing how horrible the security issues are with bt. I almost think that the riaa might have made the program as a trap haha.

What are you talking about? The only way you'd get a DMCA complaint is if you were DL-ing copyrighted material, so you had to have "warrant"ed it. If you use eMule, Kazaa, DC, IRC, w/e, that same material is still being tracked by BayTSP or whatever companies those damn organizations are using.

[Faustus]

Beware of BT I got one of those damn dmca complaint letters (not that I would do anything to warrant it.) Very unsecure also if you have zone alarm (I use the torrent storm client btw) when you load torrent storm it asks if you want to allow it to access the internet (yes) then it asks if you want to allow it to act as a server (no- will keep it from uploading) Peergaurdian is very good because it will block many people that you don't want in your business also it will allow you to export there blocklist to files compatible with many fire walls i.e. zone alarm, black ice, sysgate etc. I think I prefer kazaa now seeing how horrible the security issues are with bt. I almost think that the riaa might have made the program as a trap haha.

Somebody was on Supernova, its very closely monitored.

Also if you dont upload any BT trackers will IP ban ya.

One last note if you use AZureus BT client tehre is a Peer Guardian plug in so that you dont even have to run peer guardian.

[mujahid7ia]

Beware of BT I got one of those damn dmca complaint letters (not that I would do anything to warrant it.) Very unsecure also if you have zone alarm (I use the torrent storm client btw) when you load torrent storm it asks if you want to allow it to access the internet (yes) then it asks if you want to allow it to act as a server (no- will keep it from uploading) Peergaurdian is very good because it will block many people that you don't want in your business also it will allow you to export there blocklist to files compatible with many fire walls i.e. zone alarm, black ice, sysgate etc. I think I prefer kazaa now seeing how horrible the security issues are with bt. I almost think that the riaa might have made the program as a trap haha.

Somebody was on Supernova, its very closely monitored.

Also if you dont upload any BT trackers will IP ban ya.

One last note if you use AZureus BT client tehre is a Peer Guardian plug in so that you dont even have to run peer guardian.

Yeah, it's called safepeer, pretty cool, auto-updates IP list every time you start Azureus.

[nexus123]

Yeah, it's called safepeer, pretty cool, auto-updates IP list every time you start Azureus

If you can import the blocklist into your firewall (if you use one) then theres no need to run extra software to block the nasties

[tgpo]

I still don't see the point in downloading movies. Esp now that the MPAA is following movie downloads so closely, why risk it?