Downloading Music and Movies

[Fozzee]

Hi
I live in the UK and was hoping someone could clear a few questions up for me.

1) Is it illegal to download movies (e.g. DVDrips) and music cd rips or is it just the sharing that is illegal??
2) And as far as the illegality is concerned is it a criminal offence in the UK or is it just a civil breach of copyright offence??

Any other information concerning this would be appreciated.
I know a lot of people are confused as to what is actually unlawful and what is not.

Cheers

Fozzee

[garryheather]

1. Yes, it is illegal. Those "sharing" are breaking the law as much as those who download it. You are breaking copyright and can basically get done for theft and copyright issues.

2. It is ILLEGAL. Period. They'll do you for something.

Why are you even asking ? Did you not read the forum rules ?

Do NOT give warez.

Do NOT link to warez .

Do NOT ask for warez.

Do NOT provide information how to obtain warez.

Do NOT advocate warez.

Warez includes downloaded copyrighted movies, movies that are not yet released on VHS/DVD and copying rented movies.

I would say there were plenty of hints there... 8)


garryheather: Will you please cease jumping on those you assume
to be breaking forum rules. The "Report this post" tag is there to let us know if someone is breaking AUP - please use it instead. Thanks. Offline

[ghoster]

what planet have you been living on?

[mats.hogberg]

Why are you even asking ? Did you not read the forum rules ?
Do NOT give warez.

Do NOT link to warez .

Do NOT ask for warez.

Do NOT provide information how to obtain warez.

Do NOT advocate warez.

Where exactly in Fozzees post do you find anything that breaks any one of the forum rules? He's just asking about the legality (not at all related to forum rules!) of downloading CD/DVD rips in the UK! Did you read the rules?

/Mats

[jeex]

garyheather,

chill the **** out. he was just asking questions.. he wasnt asking for warez or advocating it.. you need to quit making ******* assumptions.

if i were to say something like

"i went to blockbuster, got pirate of the carribean and made a backup"

that would sound illegal, but what some people dont realise is that blockbuster also sells movies.

[Fozzee]

1. Yes, it is illegal. Those "sharing" are breaking the law as much as those who download it. You are breaking copyright and can basically get done for theft and copyright issues.

2. It is ILLEGAL. Period. They'll do you for something.

Why are you even asking ? Did you not read the forum rules ?

Do NOT give warez.

Do NOT link to warez .

Do NOT ask for warez.

Do NOT provide information how to obtain warez.

Do NOT advocate warez.

Warez includes downloaded copyrighted movies, movies that are not yet released on VHS/DVD and copying rented movies.


I would say there were plenty of hints there... 8)

Read my thread properly before being rude!!

I did not......
GIVE WAREZ
LINK TO WAREZ
ASK FOR WAREZ
PROVIDE INFORMATION HOW TO GET WAREZ
ADVOCATE WAREZ

I was only asking because I have read many articles which confused me as to what was legal in one country and wasn't in another.
I did not say I wanted to break the law!!!

A simple answer would have been sufficient.

Fozzee

[Fozzee]

garyheather,

chill the **** out. he was just asking questions.. he wasnt asking for warez or advocating it.. you need to quit making ******* assumptions.

if i were to say something like

"i went to blockbuster, got pirate of the carribean and made a backup"

that would sound illegal, but what some people dont realise is that blockbuster also sells movies.

Thankyou Jeex and mats.hogberg
I posted my reply at the same time you did.
Your spot on.

Fozzee

[tigerman8u]

garyheather,

chill the **** out. he was just asking questions.. he wasnt asking for warez or advocating it.. you need to quit making ******* assumptions.

if i were to say something like

"i went to blockbuster, got pirate of the carribean and made a backup"

that would sound illegal, but what some people dont realise is that blockbuster also sells movies.

Thankyou Jeex and mats.hogberg
I posted my reply at the same time you did.
Your spot on.

Fozzee

Fozzee, you're perfectly legit with the question/s you asked. Pisses me off that some ppl go off half cocked. This isn't the 1st time I've seen this happen and I'm sure it won't be the last. Maybe some of these ppl are helping the RIAA get some free publicity with their negative posts.

[tigerman8u]

garyheather,

chill the **** out. he was just asking questions.. he wasnt asking for warez or advocating it.. you need to quit making ******* assumptions.

if i were to say something like

"i went to blockbuster, got pirate of the carribean and made a backup"

that would sound illegal, but what some people dont realise is that blockbuster also sells movies.

jeex, I agree with you, I think you hit the nail on the head. nuff said.

[andkiich]

"i went to blockbuster, got pirate of the carribean and made a backup"

that would sound illegal, but what some people dont realise is that blockbuster also sells movies.

Miscommunications such as these could be avoided if communication were a bit better. The above example leaves too much to the imagination, and as we all have seen, some people started the fires, and tested the dunking booths.

Who really cares where you bought movie X? We really don't need that information, but when it is given in such an ambiguous fashion and in the context and location the question is posted, you have to expect those kinds of responses.

A better way to phrase the question to help avoid such "witch hunts" in the future might be, "I bought POTC, and I need help makign a backup".

[Fozzee]

"i went to blockbuster, got pirate of the carribean and made a backup"

that would sound illegal, but what some people dont realise is that blockbuster also sells movies.

Miscommunications such as these could be avoided if communication were a bit better. The above example leaves too much to the imagination, and as we all have seen, some people started the fires, and tested the dunking booths.

Who really cares where you bought movie X? We really don't need that information, but when it is given in such an ambiguous fashion and in the context and location the question is posted, you have to expect those kinds of responses.

A better way to phrase the question to help avoid such "witch hunts" in the future might be, "I bought POTC, and I need help makign a backup".

Whats that got to do with my thread???
There was no ambiguity in it, i wasn't asking about backing up anything!!

Fozzee

[LanEvo7]

Is it legal to download a movie you own? Like you legally own one copy of The Matrix on DVD. Now you go and download another copy for backup or whatever, wouldn't that be legal?

[mats.hogberg]

I've asked that very same q before, and the answer came out "No.".
It's a bit of a grey area, but I can understand why that wouldn't fall under "fair use".

/Mats

[SaSi]

Is it legal to download a movie you own? Like you legally own one copy of The Matrix on DVD. Now you go and download another copy for backup or whatever, wouldn't that be legal?

Well, if you have a legitimate copy of Matrix on DVD and try to create a backup by downloading it from the internet, then you should be banned from this forum :P :P :P .
What happened to the good old ripping mehod? :P

Anyway, I hope my humor wasn't misinterpreted. No offence LanEvo7.

Actually, if you download from a legitimate source of media and have enough proof they are honest, then if you have paid for what you download you are legitimate.

Like SONY has started a pay-per-download service. You pay and download. This is legitimate.

Also, MP3.com had a download service for music. Unknown artists had their entire albums free-of-charge for downloading them in MP3 format. That was also legal.

Burning these tracks on a CD and selling it, well that's illegal.

[iooi]

Is it legal to download a movie you own? Like you legally own one copy of The Matrix on DVD. Now you go and download another copy for backup or whatever, wouldn't that be legal?

No in the UK you are NOT allowed to make "Fair Use" copies of either music or films as in the States... You may however make a back-up copy of a software disk if it gives you permission on the origional.
Strange thing is its not against the law to purchase counterfit copies only to sell them....

[offline]

2) And as far as the illegality is concerned is it a criminal offence in the UK or is it just a civil breach of copyright offence??

Good Q.

U.K. indivduals who have been charged for sharing pirated music have been dealt with under the trade practices/copyright acts which have both a civil and a criminal component.

[Fozzee]

2) And as far as the illegality is concerned is it a criminal offence in the UK or is it just a civil breach of copyright offence??

Good Q.

U.K. indivduals who have been charged for sharing pirated music have been dealt with under the trade practices/copyright acts which have both a civil and a criminal component.

What about just downloading? Has anyone been charged with that in the UK?
Not sharing just downloading.

Fozzee

[jimmalenko]

Unfortunately, Fozzee, I think your first post made it tough for a few forum members to answer concisely and accurately. Warez includes downloaded copyright movies and if a member were to tell you that it was legal/moral to download then by my reckoning they would be advocating warez. Anyway, not my issue !

Without living in the UK I have no understanding of UK law but I won't let that hinder me. My thought would be that the act of placing the film up for sharing is the illegal act - fair use implies for your own private usage - not sharing with others. Sharing with others is the same as public broadcast IMHO. Downloading wise, you have no rights under fair use because you do not own it and that is why this site offers no support whatsoever for cases such as this.

In summary, I would think that both sharing and downloading are illegal to the letter of the law.

Then we come to the moral dilemma and reality check. In reality, you certainly would not get raided by the cops because of your 200 strong VCD collection that is for your own personal use.

[johns0]

I think it was a bit of a baited question.If you are in an airport and ask if carrying bombs was illegal and you were just curious they would nail you to the floor and arrest you.

[007craft]

I think it was a bit of a baited question.If you are in an airport and ask if carrying bombs was illegal and you were just curious they would nail you to the floor and arrest you.

lol thats kinda true.. but I still find it funny that that guy flipped out cause were not allowed to talk about warez on these forums but about 95% of the people here copying DVDs are doing so for downloaded/rented dvds lol.

this whole site in gernaeral is funny. Its like me making a website that gives guides on how to make counterfit money. I state... No discussion on the making of REAL counterfit money is allowed.. these guides should be used only to reproduce your own custom made Valueless money. Even tho i would state that on the site... every1 who vists would be using the guides to counterfit real money. I think its all a legall thing.. if DVDrhelp.com forums say no discussion of warez then they can get away with the fact that thier supplying the how-to guides once the files have been aquirred by the user. This way its perfectly legal to supply how-to guides cause they state its for personal backup only.

[jimmalenko]

@007Craft:
Have you benefitted at all from help provided from users of this site ?

The secret to this site is how you ask for help. Site rules say no help to be given for downloaded or rented copyright movies. Therefore if you do not disclose how you acquired the video then one must assume that you own it on DVD or VHS. I don't know about that stat of 95% - for all you know a lot of people own DVDs and are simply backing them up under fair use - and pigs are flying in the background

A lot of people are only backing up what is rightfully theirs and not everyone is as sinister as you are

[gll99]

Fozee:
I agree with you that many things about copyright law are unclear in various countries. I live in Canada and some people I've heard discussing this have totally misunderstood that it's ok to download and copy music that you do not own. What was said is that it would be more difficult to gather evidence and win a prosecution according to the interpretation of current legislation. I'm not aware of any mention of css encryption and it is generally recognized that it is ok to backup music or movies that you possess. Some experts have inferred that it could even be argued that the original does not have to have been obtained legally for the backup to be legal. Twisted minds these lawyers.

007craft

lol thats kinda true.. but I still find it funny that that guy flipped out cause were not allowed to talk about warez on these forums but about 95% of the people here copying DVDs are doing so for downloaded/rented dvds lol.

this whole site in gernaeral is funny.

If you have many someones in mind, pm the mods I'm sure they would love to hear from you. Upon confirmation of the evidence I'm sure they will act swiftly in accordance with the AUP.

[007craft]

well I know tons of people in real life but not so much here on the forums. Of course im not gonna snitch on them cause there all working class people and I dont think its fair for billion dollar corportaions to sue a guy who works 2 jobs just to stay alive heh. I feel sorry for all those folks who got busted for the pirating and what not.. If I were rich I would pay thier legal fees. . But anyway my post was more to make a point.. not really to say i know people on the forums lol.

[Will Hay]

Its like me making a website that gives guides on how to make counterfit money.

The secret to this site is how you ask for help

I suppose it depends on what you come to the site for in how you veiw the main content.
Some of us are still trying to preserve, in the best quality possible, our family camcorder footage, rather than swamp this site with constant shite about shrink vs dvd2one topics.
Will

[andkiich]

Fozee,

I was addressing issues made by other posters. Chill.

[Fozzee]

Fozee,

I was addressing issues made by other posters. Chill.

I am perfectly chilled my "friend".
I was just concerned that the thread was going off the point.

Fozzee

[tommyoz]

What amazes me is how a question (no matter how it was stated) turns into an argument on how it should have been posted. If you don't understand the question simply move on or ask the original poster for some help so you can help him.

[Zal42]

I still find it funny that that guy flipped out cause were not allowed to talk about warez on these forums but about 95% of the people here copying DVDs are doing so for downloaded/rented dvds

Really? Where'd you get this 95% figure, anyway? I'm sure there are those here who do exactly this, but I wouldn't venture to guess how many.

A substantial number are completely legit, though. For instance, I copy movies -- but they're only movies I have purchased, and I copy them into formats that are more convenient to me than DVD. No downloaded/rented movies, and I don't distribute the copies I make.

At least in the US, my use is 100% legal. Be careful about broad-brushing like that.

[freestyler]

To put it in language you can understand:

Leeching stuff you don't own = Illegal

Serving stuff you don't own = Illegal



http://www.answerbag.com/a_view.php/402

[reboot]

I legally own every file on my computer, including the OS, and all my movies and music.
I don't "share", I trade.
Can anyone else honestly say that?

Y'all can get out the hip waders and shovels now