DVDR problems.Problems after 1hr of playing.Help appreciated

[MistaDevine]

If someone could give me the solution to this problem, he/she will never be forgotten!!! This thing has kept me busy for more then 3 weeks now. Including several nights... It's starting to get really annoying...

The problem is that my burned dvd's are getting messed up after around 1 hr of playing. No matter what dvd-player I try. The further the movie goes, the more troubles the dvd-player has to play the dvd. Until eventually it won't play at all. When I'm playing it in my computer it goes fine, no problem at all. But, I should not skip tracks after one hour, cause then I get an error, saying that my disc may be scratched or very dirty. So when I play the movie from the beginning without doing any FastForward or 'next chapter' after 1hr of movie it goes fine. But when I start the same dvd and click let's say chapter 12, wich is after 1hr15m of the movie, I get the 'scratched' error.

What did I use?!?
- Smartripper
- DVD2ONE
- GEARPRO to burn

I also tried several times:
(- DVD decrypter)
- DVDshrink
- NERO Burning Rom 6

Or any Mix of these...
The VOB and IFO files on the computer are fine played with POWERDVD.

So I figured, maybe the DVD-burner (Pioneer DVR-104) is broken... So I bought the SONY DRU-510AK.

Happy with the good choice I made (at least I though I did), I burned the movie again... How angry I became when I noticed the same thing happened...

So furious as I was I came to the conclusion either my Windows XP did some weird stuff, or the software I used. Anywayz I used System Restore from within WinXP and took a date I was certain burning went fine that date... I burned one DVD and it worked!!! Happy me.... Only the second did it again... Also the third... fourth... fifth....

So I became furious as hell and without hesitating I did a format c....
Installed WinXP again...
Burned my first DVDR...

And guess what....

Same thing happened!!!

Can someone please give me some light?!?!?
I'm lost in the dark [/b]

[Bodene]

It looks like your equipment and yer software is spot on, so hold off on any more major changes until we pick thru some details.

A couple things u need to consider are the media you were using, as well as the burn speed. If you did any research into this you'd discover that one of the most common causes for skipping and other glitches that occur after an hour or so into the movie is cheapo media. You don't mention the media you used, but your problem sounds to me like it's media related. Store brands are notorious for using princo and cmc discs, and they suck. Stick with Maxell, Ritek, TDK...name brands.

Cheapo media uses inferior dye, and this causes a myriad of problems for people who giggle to themselves as they buy a spindle of em thinkin they got a heck of a deal. In stark contrast to CDr's, with DVDr's you get precisely what u pay for. Tiz worth it to spend a couple bux a disc to have more consistent success. Cheapo media is great for storing data tho, so don't trash them.

Make sure your burn speed is set to match what your media calls for. Even then, some folks' burners just do better burning at 1x or 2.5x instead of the 4x their machine sez it'll burn at. Good luck, hope this helps.

Bodene
(preparing to live in infamy)

[northcat_8]

I agree. I think you are dealing with a media issue and what Bodene said is right on. You get what you pay for.

I only use RitekG04 discs.

If the disc plays on your PC then the info for the DVD is on the disc. Your process is not the problem...it's you media.

[northcat_8]

I agree. I think you are dealing with a media issue and what Bodene said is right on. You get what you pay for.

I only use RitekG04 discs.

If the disc plays on your PC then the info for the DVD is on the disc. Your process is not the problem...it's you media.

[MistaDevine]

Well. I've tried the following media:
- General That's Write DVD-R
- Princo DVD-R 1-4x speed
- Nashua DVD-RW

I burn the that's write and the Nashue DVD-RW at 1x and the princo's at 4x.


But the strange thing is, I've burned like 50 DVD's (that's write) without problems... But since 4 weeks only failures...

It's almost impossible to be a software problem, because as you could've read I did a format c and only installed the programs for burning...

[MistaDevine]

Sorry, I forgot....

Thanks for the replies so far...
8)

[Barnabas]

MistaDevine,

You are seeing a media, and DVD player issue. I own 4 stand-alone DVD players, 2 are Apex, 1 is a Pioneer, and 1 is a Sanyo. I have tried about 20 brands of media, and find that there are MANY brands, that while they will burn and even verify perfectly, they will choke when played on my Apex players, but will play fine on my computer, fine on the Sanyo, and fine on the Pioneer. If you buy a DVD player that's a bit more forgiving, your current disks will probably play ok, but if you will need to buy better media in the future to be able to play back on more DVD players without problems.

[Bodene]

Well. I've tried the following media:
- General That's Write DVD-R
- Princo DVD-R 1-4x speed
- Nashua DVD-RW

Well.....there's yer problem. All CHEAPOS.

Give us an update after you've tried some higher quality media.

[AdamRA4]

Try Ritek G04's or even BeAll's or Taiyo Yuden. All good IMO.

[MistaDevine]

Still strange that it all happened after burning more then 50 dvd's without any problems...

But I'll take your advice, after the weekend I'll buy some better brand dvd's and try again... I mean u'r the experts 8)


And thanks again!!! I will let you guys know...
Cheers...

[MistaDevine]

Guys, I bought dvd's for €3,50 a piece.. Nashua's DVD-R and DVD+R..

Burned on both of them, still no luck...


Bought a new HD, completly unplugged the old one...
Still no luck...



I'm very desperate now....
I don't have a clue....

I hope you have more ideas for me to do?!?!?

[Hardcoreruss]

What does discinfo say about the discs ?

[shelbyGT]

I have a problem similar to this on one of my standalone players (phillips 711). When I play a burnt DVD, it plays fine for an hour, starts to skip/pixelate and then just freezes up. In any other players (a pioneer and an XBOX), the whole movie plays just fine. What I boiled my problem down to was the fact that my philips just overheats when playing burnt discs. Don't know why this would happen, but the discs are warm when you eject them. So, I just stick with the nonburnt disc on that one, and use the burnt ones on the others.


It's annoying, but o well.

[UTDKING]

MistaDevine
TRY DOING A FIRMWARE UPDATE ON YOUR DRIVE THIS WILL MAKE IT MORE COMPATOABLE WITH THE MEDIA THAT IS CURRENTLY AVAILABLE
USE THIS LINKhttp://forum.rpc1.org/portal.php
BUT READ THE INSTRUCTION BEFORE APPLY THIS UPDATE TO YOUR DRIVE
AS IF DONE INCORECTLY CAN CAUSE DAMAGE
BUT IF DONE CORECTLY SHOULD SOLVE YOUR PROBLEMS
IF UNSURE HOW TO APPLY THE UPDATE ASK A FRIEND WHO IS ADVANCE USER
I MUST INFORM YOU THAT THIS WILL INVALIDATE YOUR WARRENTY

HOPE THIS HELPS

[MistaDevine]

What does discinfo say about the discs ?

Discinfo?!?!?

[MistaDevine]

I have a problem similar to this on one of my standalone players (phillips 711). When I play a burnt DVD, it plays fine for an hour, starts to skip/pixelate and then just freezes up. In any other players (a pioneer and an XBOX), the whole movie plays just fine. What I boiled my problem down to was the fact that my philips just overheats when playing burnt discs. Don't know why this would happen, but the discs are warm when you eject them. So, I just stick with the nonburnt disc on that one, and use the burnt ones on the others.


It's annoying, but o well.

I've tried more then 10 dvd-players.
Computer and Stand alone...

All of them the same problem...

[MistaDevine]

MistaDevine
TRY DOING A FIRMWARE UPDATE ON YOUR DRIVE THIS WILL MAKE IT MORE COMPATOABLE WITH THE MEDIA THAT IS CURRENTLY AVAILABLE
USE THIS LINKhttp://forum.rpc1.org/portal.php
BUT READ THE INSTRUCTION BEFORE APPLY THIS UPDATE TO YOUR DRIVE
AS IF DONE INCORECTLY CAN CAUSE DAMAGE
BUT IF DONE CORECTLY SHOULD SOLVE YOUR PROBLEMS
IF UNSURE HOW TO APPLY THE UPDATE ASK A FRIEND WHO IS ADVANCE USER
I MUST INFORM YOU THAT THIS WILL INVALIDATE YOUR WARRENTY

HOPE THIS HELPS

As said, I've tried 2 different burners.
I just bought a brand new one, very expensive
So i dont think it's the firmware...

[UTDKING]

MistaDevine
when you burn your dvds to dvdr do you compress the disc
as this can be the problem if you rip the movie + extras and compress
then burn using nero 6

you often get problems when you playback your disc on a dvd player

think of it like this a video recorder as sp(stanard play) lp(long Play)

when you compress you make the dvdr disc like long play and some stand alone dvd players do not like that format and when a disc is loaded into the player the laser as problems picking up all the data on the disc

the problem is not media it is your dvd player try doing just the movie no extas and no compression
if that fails buy a cheap dvd player as they often are easy to make region free and more chance tthat they will read the data on your dvdr
the more expensive dvd player are less likely to be compatiable
your dvd drives in your pc will read them because of speed settings
you cant change speeds on dvd players and some makes are restricted

[MistaDevine]

MistaDevine
when you burn your dvds to dvdr do you compress the disc
as this can be the problem if you rip the movie + extras and compress
then burn using nero 6

you often get problems when you playback your disc on a dvd player

think of it like this a video recorder as sp(stanard play) lp(long Play)

when you compress you make the dvdr disc like long play and some stand alone dvd players do not like that format and when a disc is loaded into the player the laser as problems picking up all the data on the disc

the problem is not media it is your dvd player try doing just the movie no extas and no compression
if that fails buy a cheap dvd player as they often are easy to make region free and more chance tthat they will read the data on your dvdr
the more expensive dvd player are less likely to be compatiable
your dvd drives in your pc will read them because of speed settings
you cant change speeds on dvd players and some makes are restricted

Well, it can't be that problem. I only rip the movie, I don't keep any extra's at all... And since I also tried to burn a DVDR-5, it can't be anything with the compression...

[clifbel]

Boy am i glad to see i'm not the only one thats had the freezing problem.
i must have spent about $130 australian on dvd- media that didnt work properly. But i had the same problem as in i burnt many sucessful discs and then things started gooing wrong and i spent weeks trying all different programs and media and burn and rip settings. The media IS critical. Must have good media. But i recently switched from dvd x copy express to dvd shrink and nero 6. even then i had probs on some discs. they would play fine on the pc running the ripped file from the hdd but would freeze and block on any machine pc or otherwise from the disc. now i dont use the auto burn with nero setting in dvd shrink but first rip to the hdd and then manually burn afterwards with nero. i find on some rips there is a DEFAULT.PLS file gets put in with the vob's, ifos and bup's. When i manually burn i leave this file out and it seems to work fine. Maybe someone can let me know what this file is and why i seems to stuff up the works. Anyway thats my story and maybe it can help someone. cause boy does it drive ya crazy when ya cant figure out whats going wrong. Clifbel....

[shelbyGT]

default.pls appears when, after you rip the files to the harddrive, you play one of the .vob files with PowerDVD. It places this file there (don't know if other players do the same thing). DO NOT burn that file in with the others.

[mb571]

I have tried many types of media also but have only got one type to work properly in my Electrohome. TDK (which is a RitekG04).
It must be frustrating for the guys who have already told you to try Riteks!

https://www.videohelp.com/dvdmediaform.php?dvdinfo=1#dvdinfo

[MistaDevine]

I have tried many types of media also but have only got one type to work properly in my Electrohome. TDK (which is a RitekG04).
It must be frustrating for the guys who have already told you to try Riteks!

https://www.videohelp.com/dvdmediaform.php?dvdinfo=1#dvdinfo

Dude, as I said earlier, I have tried burning with expensive DVD's like Nashua wich are €3,50 each... That's a little more then $3,50...

It isn't the media. 100% sure...

In the meantime I've tried more then 20 different brands...
From cheapo for €0,30 cents to expensive ones like €3,50...

It must be frustrating for me, dudes that can't read

[Barnabas]

MistaDevine,

You have eliminated ALL but your stand-alone DVD player, which you don't seem to have ever stated here what brand or model it is. Even though you say you have tried 10 different DVD players, you must not have tried the correct ones. Pick yourself up a DVD player such a Pioneer or Sanyo and your troubles should be gone. As I stated before, some DVD players are very picky about media. Your player could be scratching the disks while playing, I know because I had one that did that myself.

What is the make and model of your DVD player?

[mb571]

What's frustrating is guys who can't understand what they read!!

People DID NOT tell you to go out and find the most expensive disc that you could find. They suggested you try Ritek brand. Agreeing with the last poster, you have not stated the player you are trying to work with.

[clifbel]

ShelbyGT Thanx for that. I will leave it out in future. Any ideas why the discs sometimes have probs with auto burn with nero feature but not when burnt manually.? cliff.

[MistaDevine]

Well, I'm not gonna argue about readings skills...

The (stand alone) DVD-players I've tried were from the following brands:
Sony 2 diff. models
Pioneer 1
Samsung 2
JVC 3
Deawoo 1
Hitaker 1
And some other cheap brands not worth mentioning...

But in the meantime the problem is solved.
It seemed that both GEAR PRO as NERO 6 Ultra Edition were having problems... After uninstalling both and using RecordNow DX all dvd's came out fine... I don't have a clue why both GEAR PRO and especially NERO can't do the job right...

Anywayz, thanks for all the help...