Adobe premiere whoes

[Red-Squirrel]

It seems everytime I capture something, I run into problems when editing. I use Pinnacle bungee dvd to capture. It makes an ordinary compressed MPG file.

When I open premiere I have options for the type of video I want to do, so I decided to go with standard DV, all 4 types did not work (did not let me import the video).

So I decided to go with "video for windows" and tried a few codecs such as cinipaq - they worked, but the rendered video was all choppy, it was like 2 frames per second, but the sound was ok.

To make things easier I just wrote a "report" of the results with the different options:

DV NTSC/PAL 32Khz/48KHz
error when importing: "unable to open that file. file was recorded at an unsupported rate. The supported rates are 11Khz, 22, 32, 33 and 48."

Video for windows - cinipaq Codec By radius: choppy render

Video for windows - indeo video: choppy render

Video for windows - divX: lot of crashes / stupid watermark crap when it actually does work, and choppy render


Just for fun, I decided to re-render a project I still had in my temp folder, and it did the same thing, so it's not the settings. I also tried to reinstall premiere to no avail. It's premiere 6.0 I think...

If somebody could help me with this, it would be apreciated, thanks!

[racer-x]

If you want to edit with Premiere, then capture your video to avi. Premiere wasn't designed to edit mpg.

[Red-Squirrel]

If you want to edit with Premiere, then capture your video to avi. Premiere wasn't designed to edit mpg.

crap, mpg is what my $200 pinnacle bungie gives me. No way of changing it, and I tried all the converters out there, but because it is compressed, they don't work. The animation I did (like 2GB of raw files) was all in avi and no problems there, so at least I know the main problem. But it worked before with mpg though, but I also had quit allot of trouble.

Without buying another capture device, is there a way I can get these captures in AVI?

Oh, and if it's easier, I'm willing to learn a new editing program, but I think I tried them all, none of them work well. My favorite one is still Ulead, but it crashes WAY too much.

[wwaag]

red-squirrel

racer-x was right--best to capture in AVI--save yourself a lot of headaches. However, you CAN convert your MPG file to a DV AVI file using Vdub. Unfortunately, you will get a noticeable loss in quality. Open your MPG file using Vdub Mpeg (see tools). Then save your file using a DV codec (I use MainConcept). Then you can import into Premiere without any problems. Hope this helps.

wwaag

[Red-Squirrel]

I'll give that a try. Hopefully virtual dub will support the mpg format though...

[Red-Squirrel]

I try to import the video but it says there's no frames in the video. What? There's *only* a few thousand of them, this is like a half-hour video! The option of capturing in AVI is not available for my capture device. It's not an actual capture card and does not register in the computer as a capture device, so I can't use any other programs but the one that came with it (which sucks).

[wwaag]

I've imported MPEG files into Vdub-Mpeg2 many times--never a problem. Will also handle elementary streams (e.g. m2v files). Just make sure that you are using Vdub-Mpeg2 and not the original Vdub (see tools section under Virtualdub Tools). Assuming that you are using the correct version, it may be that Pinnacle produces a "non-standard" MPG file, in which case I have no idea what you can do. Sorry that I cannot be of more assistance.

wwaag

[hotwings]

hehe, sorry I'm not being helpful but the way you spelled "whoes" had me thinking of a cross between the proper term for a working gal and the more commonly used garden tool slang variety. Carry on as you were.... .

[handiman876]

downgrading from mpeg2 to avi only to convert back is an option. another option, if your computer complies, is to upgrade to premiere pro. it handles mpeg2 just fine. just a thought.

[timmyp]

Not sure if I can help, but it seems that the error message you are receiving is a big clue. What MPEG settings are you using when you capture? The error message seems to indicate an incompatible audio stream. What can you tell us about the audio setting you use when capturing?

Also, what version of Premiere are you using?

Perhaps you could try demuxing using TMPGEnc, then try and import the seperate audio and video files into Premiere to see which stream is really generating the error.

[Red-Squirrel]

That's what sucks I can't change the capture settings or know what they are. There's a capture button and that's it. There's a setting for SDVD, and it shows MPEG2 as compression which is grayed out, it shows 480x480 as res. The bitrate is 2.5.

Now if I choose DVD, it still shows MPEG2 and it's still grayed out, but the bitrate goes up to 6.0 and the res to 720x480. There's an option for custom, but it does much but let me change the bitrate and reselution, while compression is still grayed out. I tried changing it to DVD once, but it just crashed so bad I had to reinstall it. The program sucks for that. It does not give me any options for audio either, only to choose which device I want to use and which jack. So basically I'm screwed with the capture format.

But if I upgrade to premiere pro it will work though? I'm using premiere 6.0 right now. Maybe I can try and find pro.

What I don't get, is that this worked before with those same settings, why did it suddently decide not to? Could it be the divX codec that screwed everything up? Only difference is that I have a different divX codec then the one I have on a 2 year old cd, but after realizing it's "pay and remove watermark" crap, I never used it since then.

[timmyp]

Should probably capture in the DVD, 720x480 format. 480x480 is an SVCD resolution. (I'm assuming your desired final result is a DVD... is that correct?) If you choose the DVD option when capturing, the audio should automatically be captured at a 48 KHz stream, which is the DVD spec.

If the program is crashing when you select DVD, then maybe you should try uninstalling and reinstalling the program. Shouldn't have anything to do with the DivX codecs.

Did you try de-multiplexing and loading the seperate streams into Premiere?

Further, regarding the DivX codec, there is an option to remove the DivX watermark without purchasing the pay version. From the DivX support page:

Question

How do I disable the DivX logo?

Answer

The DivX logo that appears in the lower right-hand corner of a video during the first few seconds of playback is intended to show both that the video was encoded with DivX and that the genuine DivX decoder is being used to decode the video.

The logo is overlayed during playback and is not actually encoded into the video itself. You can prevent the logo from being displayed by accessing the Decoder Configuration tool in the DivX group under Programs on your Start menu. Check the option that reads "Disable logo" on the Quality page and click OK.

[Red-Squirrel]

cool did not know that about the logo, most video related programs will plaster it with something to force you to buy it. DivX encodes faster anyway so I'll stick with that once I get this thing to work. I tried reinstalling the capture program, but it's just that - it's crappy. The same crash happens if I change the default path or delete any videos in the folder. I'm outputting it to tape and not dvd, so all I need is a high enough reselution video that I can play full screen, and usually I make the final result 640x480 which is good enough for a TV, I could probably go smaller if I wanted to, but that's not going to solve anything.

Can I freely download and premiere pro upgrade or do I have to pay for it? I think it's my only hope. I can't recapture since I don't have the original anymore, at least I doubt it, I'm sure the school must of taped over it by now.

[timmyp]

You have to pay for the Premiere update. The upgrade price looks to be $149 USD if you're upgrading from Premiere 6.5.

Setting the capture program aside for a moment, can you demux the .mpg in TMPGEnc and then try to load each seperate stream into Premiere? What happens when you do?

[Red-Squirrel]

I just downloaded that program but it seems that it only outputs MPEG2 format,which is what I have already.

[alenhard]

what program are you referring to that only outputs mpg2?

not premiere pro, because it will output anything you tell it to.

[handiman876]

when i suggested premiere pro i assumed you were attempting to edit and output to dvd. in which case mpeg2 output is required. what are your intentions?

[timmyp]

Red Squirrel:

Open TMPGEnc.
Cancel the Wizard interface that pops up.
Go to File>MPEG Tools.
Select the Simple De-Multiplex tab.
For input, select your captured .mpg file.
(The Video Output and Audio Output will default to the same folder the original file is in. Leave these alone.)
Click on 'Run'.

This process will create two new files: an m1v or m2v file (the video stream) and an .mp2 or .mpa or .wav file (the audio stream).

What you want to do is take these two de-multiplexed files (one video stream and one audio stream) and try to load them individually into Premiere.

Let us know what happens.

[Red-Squirrel]

I tried that, and it accepted the video, I did a render to see if it works - and it does. (though it takes bloody ages in DV mode but I assume it's normal because of the high res). But it still did not accept the sound, but I assume I can try and convert it to wav and it might work. If not I can play it, and record it in a "normal" format. I can't even import it in sound forge because it wants me to buy some kind of plug in. Yeah right!

as for capturing, I'm using "vision" which is what came with my pinnacle device, and it's the only thing I can use, as this device does not "register" as a capture device. Any other programs won't find it and capture from it. I tried the premiere capture.

I'll see if I can get the sound going, but I think once it's working, I'll be all set. Thanks a bunch everyone!

Also, can someone explain to me the whole NTSC/PAL thing, I seen that before but I think it's time I aske what it means, and which one I should use. Thanks!

[Red-Squirrel]

I realized that keeping the audio and video in sync will be impossible now so I'm making a simple edit with the sound and audio together, but in the right format, but I noticed the sound file is a few seconds longer then the video file. Is this normal?

[timmyp]

OK. So the video stream is fine... it's the audio stream that's non-compliant.

You mentioned that the audio is a few seconds longer..... is that AFTER converting?

Once you get the audio into a format that Premiere will accept, you should be able to stretch or shrink just the audio portion of the Timeline to sync up the video and audio.

Overall, sounds like you know what the problem is now (the audio stream) and need to deal with it from there.

Use the Guides over to the right for info on NTSC vs PAL, but basically if you're in North America, you need to be using NTSC.

Good luck!

[Red-Squirrel]

Yes, the streem is longer after converting from mp3 to wav. But there's not really a way to stretch that is precise enough other then hit and miss entering the speed percentage until it syncs up. I did not do a render but could it be that it's just some kind of silence added at the end or start? If yes I can probably just cut the silence or something.

[Red-Squirrel]

Oops, my bad. It's the video that is longer then the audio. given that I'm going to school I'll do a render of both to have a better idea of syncronization.

[Red-Squirrel]

Ok, seems there's another problem. For some reason it stopped processing after 18 minutes (about a third of the project). Why? The filesize is only 3.99GB and there's plenty of room left on that partition so it's not a disk space issue. I think I'll have to do it the hard way with the audio and video seperated. Is there an easier way I can put the video back together? I wish my capture thing would just use a standard audio format to start off with.

[timmyp]

Is your partition a FAT32 partition? If so, there is a 4GB limit on file sizes.

If you have an NTFS partition, then there is no file size limitation and you should try to find a setting within Premiere that controls whether file sizes can go above the 4GB mark.

[Red-Squirrel]

Ouch, yes that drive is fat32 and I rather not change it so that I can have easy read/write access in case of emergency. I just realized how I almost need to get a bigger drive since my C drive is almost full and so is my D. Still plenty of GB left on my D (one I use for editing) for most video though. Maybe I can try to encode it differently. I'll also play with the program I used to split it to see if I can put it back together in the right format, it will also make processing faster. Minutes instead of hours.

[Red-Squirrel]

I was just wondering, is there a reason premiere started doing this to start off with? Because this splitting audio stuff is really making editing VERY hard.

I can't listen and see at the same time when cutting, it's near impossible to know what is going on in the video at the microsecond time and to cut the audio and video to sync together etc.... is there an entirely different way I can do this? Should I just reinstall windows?

[timmyp]

No. I don't think you need to re-install Windows!

It appears this all stems from the Capture settings. The audio appears to have been captured at some bitrate or KHz that Premiere can not recognize.

My recommendation would be that if you can only capture in the mpeg format, that you capture at full DVD specs. Premiere should have no trouble opening and editing that type of mpg.

Regarding syncing the audio to video, there are some other ways to do this using other programs, but that will involve doing some searching and reading about audio sync issues.

Good luck!

[Red-Squirrel]

Thanks, next time I capture I'll try full dvd. Just wondering though, because it was my first time that I get this problem (I captured with that before) could it be that it was because I captured from a camera instead of the VCR? I can't see why since unless I'm wrong, capturing is raw, so it does not matter what is plugged in. Or does it?

I somewhat got everything to work since this particular project is not that complicated, and I was also able to render it in divX without the logo so I don't need to wait like 5 hours for a full dvd quality render, but maybe 1 or 2 hours.

Thanks for the help everyone! I'm pretty sure everything is solved now, it will just be harder from now on I suppose but I managed to get things synked ok.