DVD recorder with Both DVD-Ram and Record NTSC ?

[lupio]

seem it's Hard to find , anybody know a DVD recorder who can handle DVD-Ram and Record NTSC ??

[spiderman2k1]

if the record is sold in the North America or Japan it NTSC. What format you use does not matter.

[hech54]

The Philips recorders can record in either NTSC or PAL (but not through the tuner) BUT....I don't know of any Philips/RAM machines.

[swallowtail]

seem it's Hard to find , anybody know a DVD recorder who can handle DVD-Ram and Record NTSC ??

Currently there are only Panasonic, JVC, Samsung, and Toshiba brands supporting DVD-RAM media. Apparently you live in a PAL region, and you'll probably get better responses from the following link in the DVD recorders and media section:

http://www.avforums.com

[lupio]

I forgot to precise that i live in France so it's first a Pal recorder with possibility to record NTSC VHS from a Video recorder

[hech54]

It's also a shame that most DVD Recorder manufacturers do not advertise the fact the their machine will or will not record in both formats. They should start doing that....BUT...I could see someone thinking the tuner could handle both...maybe that is why they don't say such things.

[lupio]

seem it's Hard to find , anybody know a DVD recorder who can handle DVD-Ram and Record NTSC ??

Currently there are only Panasonic, JVC, Samsung, and Toshiba brands supporting DVD-RAM media. Apparently you live in a PAL region, and you'll probably get better responses from the following link in the DVD recorders and media section:

http://www.avforums.com

Thank's !

[barneystorm]

I take it what you are trying to achieve is to copy an NTSC VHS tape onto disc?

If your VHS player is capable of playing back pure NTSC, by that I don't mean the 'Pal 60 ' hybrid most PAL players have, I mean a true NTSC output, then going through the SCART connection onto any DVD recorder should work just fine. I'm not a DVD-RAM user, but I don't see that as an issue-just be aware that you can't put PAL and NTSC on the same disc. If you've got a partially recorded disc using PAL, you can't add more to it in NTSC or vice versa.

[lenti_75]

The Philips recorders can record in either NTSC or PAL (but not through the tuner) BUT....I don't know of any Philips/RAM machines.

did you tested it or is just guessing ???

[hech54]

Every Philips owner I have ever talked to that has tried it says it works perfectly. And since I live in Germany....and I brought my NTSC Philips DVDR985 machine with me when I moved here from America and it records in both formats....I'd say yes.

Now let's talk about proper English grammar shall we?

did you tested it or is just guessing ???

[lordsmurf]

My JVC DRM10SL is NTSC and can use RAM (though RAM VRO really sucks compared to DVD-Video format)

[lupio]

My JVC DRM10SL is NTSC and can use RAM (though RAM VRO really sucks compared to DVD-Video format)

The JVC DRM10SL is not available in France , but anyway as what i wanted is to copy VHS NTSC to DVD i learn something , even if i buy a DVD recorder who can record NTSC that will not work , cause all VCR ( exept some Thomson model ) gonna have a "false" NTSC output , it's called a Pal 60 , and only Pionner and Philips DVD recorder can record that format so now it's Pionner or Philips :P

[hech54]

Hold the phone lupio....my Philips recorder WILL NOT record the Quasi (or false) signal. It will record either TRUE NTSC or PAL...not the quasi ones put out by VHS machines.

[lupio]

Hold the phone lupio....my Philips recorder WILL NOT record the Quasi (or false) signal. It will record either TRUE NTSC or PAL...not the quasi ones put out by VHS machines.

So not all philips can record false NTSC , for me i find a Pioneer who can do that , but for futur person who just gonna want to backup his VHS NTSC to DVD good luck ! , Why Pioneer and Philips ( for the model who can do that ) don't use that particularity as a Plus ? talk about it on their ads or so , it's most like a secret now

[hech54]

Oh mine will record it....but in Black and White. Trying to record an NTSC VHS tape PAL Land is no easy task. It could be worse...you could be in America trying to even SEE a PAL tape on ANY VHS machine.
I have an NTSC VHS tape here right now that I can't put to DVD because of the quasi output of the PAL VCR's...but at least I can watch it occasionally.

[lupio]

Oh mine will record it....but in Black and White. Trying to record an NTSC VHS tape PAL Land is no easy task. It could be worse...you could be in America trying to even SEE a PAL tape on ANY VHS machine.
I have an NTSC VHS tape here right now that I can't put to DVD because of the quasi output of the PAL VCR's...but at least I can watch it occasionally.

But at least for you American you don't have any false Pal as we here have for NTSC , if you buy a VCR who can read Pal and a DVD who can record Pal that's ok :P

[hech54]

Most Americans don't even know what PAL is. Even if you mention NTSC to them they will think it is a government agency like the CIA or FBI.

[lupio]

Most Americans don't even know what PAL is. Even if you mention NTSC to them they will think it is a government agency like the CIA or FBI.

Don't say that to a French like me , you ganna confort us in opinion of americans

[Marvingj]

I've done the same thing Philips should do it.

[Teshia]

My JVC DRM10SL is NTSC and can use RAM (though RAM VRO really sucks compared to DVD-Video format)

Why do you say VRO sucks compared to DVD-Video format? You're talking about the file layout/format on the disc right? If you're talking about the quality between VRO based MPEG video and the MPEG video DVD recorders write directly to blank DVDR discs then I'm not sure what the difference is.

[indolikaa]

To answer the thread question, the Panasonic DMR-E55 will record to DVD-RAM using NTSC signal formatting.

[gshelley61]

My JVC DRM10SL is NTSC and can use RAM (though RAM VRO really sucks compared to DVD-Video format)

Why do you say VRO sucks compared to DVD-Video format? You're talking about the file layout/format on the disc right? If you're talking about the quality between VRO based MPEG video and the MPEG video DVD recorders write directly to blank DVDR discs then I'm not sure what the difference is.

VRO format files can be buggy to work with and take a long time to extract to your hard drive (25-40 minutes for a "full" DVD-RAM). DVD-Video format is more compatible with most editing/authoring programs for some reason and downloads much faster. I capture to DVD-RW's in DVD-Video format because of that. It's easier and faster to work with.

You're right, though. Video quality is the same whether in VR or Video format.

[indolikaa]

My JVC DRM10SL is NTSC and can use RAM (though RAM VRO really sucks compared to DVD-Video format)

Why do you say VRO sucks compared to DVD-Video format? You're talking about the file layout/format on the disc right? If you're talking about the quality between VRO based MPEG video and the MPEG video DVD recorders write directly to blank DVDR discs then I'm not sure what the difference is.

VRO format files can be buggy to work with and take a long time to extract to your hard drive (25-40 minutes for a "full" DVD-RAM). DVD-Video format is more compatible with most editing/authoring programs for some reason and downloads much faster. I capture to DVD-RW's in DVD-Video format because of that. It's easier and faster to work with.

You're right, though. Video quality is the same whether in VR or Video format.

I can extract a full DVD-RAM in 20 minutes using a Toshiba SD-M1712. That's the best $26.99 I've spent at newegg.com in quite awhile. It would have otherwise made DVD-RAM impractical for me.

Now, having said that, I was warned by LordSmurf that I might run into corrupt streams issues. And I did take that warning very seriously, but I always wanted DVD-RAM and damnit I was going to have DVD-RAM!

I believe DVD-RAM is a derivation of the old 'PD-CD' optical recording system, which was also slow and cumbersome, but had a supposed rewrite capability equivalent to DVD-RAM. The cleaning kit Panasonic sells for DVD-RAM is also recommended for PD as well.

So far, the picture quality on the -E55 .VRO has been outstanding for me. The JVC unit should be here any day. We shall see...

[Teshia]

...I was warned by LordSmurf that I might run into corrupt streams issues.

I think a lot of that must have to do with not formatting beforehand though. I mean, data gets written to the DVD-RAM like swiss cheese once you start cutting out commercials, adding videos, erasing videos off the beginning of the disc, etc. - provided you format (which erases the VRO file completely) and use one unedited video on the disc without editing things like thumbnails, disc names, video titles, etc., the stream should be fully contiguous I'd think. Once you start messing with thumbnails and names you edit the IFO/BUP files on the disc and that MAY fragment the video, but I'm not sure. Still, even if it takes a long time to copy over the file, it's a small price to pay considering the hard drive models are $400 or more in difference. I'm much happier with this stopgap until the price on HD recorders drops.

Incidentally, I tried Womble MPEG-VCR, and it is indeed phat with a p like the kids say. I'm officially in love.

[indolikaa]

...I was warned by LordSmurf that I might run into corrupt streams issues.

I think a lot of that must have to do with not formatting beforehand though. I mean, data gets written to the DVD-RAM like swiss cheese once you start cutting out commercials, adding videos, erasing videos off the beginning of the disc, etc. - provided you format (which erases the VRO file completely) and use one unedited video on the disc without editing things like thumbnails, disc names, video titles, etc., the stream should be fully contiguous I'd think. Once you start messing with thumbnails and names you edit the IFO/BUP files on the disc and that MAY fragment the video, but I'm not sure. Still, even if it takes a long time to copy over the file, it's a small price to pay considering the hard drive models are $400 or more in difference. I'm much happier with this stopgap until the price on HD recorders drops.

The Toshiba SD-M1712 reads DVD-RAMs from my -E55 in 20 minutes. I can live with that. Since I only hit record once on the DVD Recorder, I get a single file when it comes time to import to PC. I do nothing else with the Recorder, just capture and eject.

Having said that, it's an elegant solution, and fast enough for my needs. It adds about 20 minutes to my capturing routine. No big deal for me.

Incidentally, I tried Womble MPEG-VCR, and it is indeed phat with a p like the kids say. I'm officially in love.

Yes, MPEG-VCR is the dope-shit.

[gshelley61]

Have a look at Womble MPEG Video Wizard, too. It's like MPEG-VCR on steroids. Has a nice GUI and more features. Plus, you get MPEG-VCR thrown in for free.

[indolikaa]

Have a look at Womble MPEG Video Wizard, too. It's like MPEG-VCR on steroids. Has a nice GUI and more features. Plus, you get MPEG-VCR thrown in for free.

It just so happens I downloaded it last night to give it a test drive. Haven't had a chance to open it yet. Thought I'd wait until my JVC -10SL arrives on Monday.