Why does 2 Towers Ext. part 1 have 2 titles of the SAME film

[GreatSinatraFan]

Why Does THE TWO TOWERS Extended edition have TWO titlesets in the Main Movie consisting of two files of the SAME MAIN MOVIE ? Why the duplication?

Is it important to KEEP the two titleset files of the SAME movie? If so, WHY? I'm backing up this dvd with DVDShrink..but it seems that I would be able to save a lot of space if I was only to back up ONE title instead of both titlesets of the SAME file. It would be easier then to back up both part one and part two on the SAME DVD.

Thanks for any advice.

[GreatSinatraFan]

Ok, maybe I need to clarify what I'm talking about. I wish to back up the MOVIE alone. I'm using DVDShrink to do so. Part ONE of The Two Towers, Ext. version has TWO titlesets under the MAIN MOVIE.

WHY are there TWO titlesets here?

IF you look, you'll see that each of the two Titlesets is exactly 2,321 megs. The FIRST titleset contains the movie itself. But..the SECOND titleset contains EXACTLY the SAME movie!

WHY the Duplication?

Regardless of this question.. the larger question is - is EACH of the TWO titlesets of EXACTLY the SAME movie ESSENTIAL to backing up part one of The Two Towers, Extended Edition?

OR, is it possible that I may be able to back up this movie, using only the FIRST Titleset? IF this is possible, I might then be able to back up part one with NO compression, then back up part two with very little compression, if any; then combine the two parts using TmpgEnc DVD Author to fit one 4.7 gig DVD.

So..I need some advice ..If anyone knows why these TWO duplicate titlesets are here within the main movie..I'd be grateful for any help.

Also.. I know that I can delete the SECOND titleset..but is it possible to do so, and still have a complete back up of the Two Towers Ext. Ed. part one, without missing something essential within the movie itself?

Thanks Again !

[Rille]

This movie is not yet released in sweden so i can't say why the dvd is made like this but most likely it's for some type of extra. The Hulk for example is made in a similar way where one of the versions gice you access to extras. You need to check with ifoedit which version it is you want and them remove the other. They most likely share data however so even if you remove on you will not save much/any space.
For this type of DVD's and movie only i go with DVDFab.

[ddlooping]

GreatSinatraFan, as Rille suggested, the second title is most likely a way to access the extras.
Check the DVD extras/bonus menu and see if it there is a way to access extras from the movie, like the "White Rabbit" in the "Matrix", or the "Hulk cam" in "Hulk".
My guess would be you can safely backup the first title only.
Something that might make things simpler for you in the future:
"View" >> (uncheck) "Combine shared titles".

[c_hernandez32]

Well maybe one is the movie with Dolby Digital while the other one can be the one with the DTS ES 6.1 sound? I don't really know. The disk has very little features. Only directors commentary. Extras are on discs 3 and 4.

[Gazorgan]

As I recall, one is a bug in DVDShrink. The #2 is 20 MB right? If they are both roughly the same size, then it's multi-angle, which DVDShrink doens't do. Rip Main Movie only with DVDDecryptor. I've had DVDShrink look at 12 GB in re-author mode, because of 3 angles.

[GreatSinatraFan]

Garzorgan,

No, these files are exactly the SAME size, 2,321 megs each. Each file is an exact duplicate of each other.

My dilemma was, what to DO ? Do I include BOTH of these titlesets in my backup ? Would simply backing up the FIRST titleset destroy the integrity of the entire DVD ?

Well, I gulped, then proceeded to back up ONLY the FIRST Titleset in Part One.. and the FIRST Titleset in Part Two.

I played them back on my computer...and both parts work very well !

I'm now currently encoding BOTH files together in TmpgEnc DVD Author, THEN will put THAT file through DVD Shrink again.

I used the SAME procedure when backing up the Ext. version of THE FELLOWSHIP OF THE RING, onto ONE DVD.

I was able to back up all 3 hours and then some (remember the credits alone lasted 20 minutes?); and everything turned out very well.

Maybe if the backed up DVD was shown on a very large screen HDTV, sure.. you might see some real problems with the video.

But, since I have a 25 inch Tv..the actual video is terrific.

Thanks for all the advice to everyone !

[ddlooping]

IF you look, you'll see that each of the two Titlesets is exactly 2,321 megs. The FIRST titleset contains the movie itself. But..the SECOND titleset contains EXACTLY the SAME movie!

Gazorgan, DVD Shrink v3.0 does not have a "multi-angle" bug.
It does multi-angles, but obviously not in "Re-author" mode, where all interactivity is lost.

[ddlooping]

Glad you got it working, GreatSinatraFan.

You do know that you can use DVD Shrink to make your compilation (no need for DVD Author), right?

Just in case you didn't, here is a rough guide.
http://www.dvdshrink.info/re-author-v3beta5-advanced.php

[noki]

GreatSinatraFan

I'm now currently encoding BOTH files together in TmpgEnc DVD Author, THEN will put THAT file through DVD Shrink again

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have you been successful doing this? i have a problem in that Shrink does not like TDA's output. when Shrink does the initial analysis it either produces an (unknown) error at the beginning or when it gets to the second movie portion of TDA's vob files.
also in TDA do you get errors stating the combined bitrate of the video (9800k) and audio (454k) exceeds the DVD standards when it analyzes the video file? thanks for any input.

[marvel2020]

Question, does TMPGEnc DVD Author do subtitles ?.

Reason i'm asking is, on The Two Towers Extended PAL Version, there is only 1 subtitle stream English, and this stream contains all the subtitles of the film including the Elvish.

I can use DVD2ONE to rip both discs to fit onto a DVD-r, but don't know how to join them together.

But if TMPGEnc does subtitles the i'll use tha to author them.

[noki]

DVD2One 1.30 has the join feature. DVD Shrink can also compile the 2 discs into one dvdr.

[marvel2020]

Already tried DVD2ONE, for some reason it would will do DISC 1 when joining.

I'll try DVD shrink.

Thx for the info

[Thunder In Paradise]

Great Sinatra, I noticed this fluke also. I've also seen it on a couple other movies as well, and I usually just take the first "title" of the movie, being the main movie itself, as you pointed out, there's just 2 duplicates, so it doesn't really matter which one you grab, as long as you grab one of them. Also, if your wondering about quality levels, you can keep the main movie, as well as the 5.1 Dolby track, drop everything else, and come out with only 7% compression! (That's 93% on the slider), as compared to 15% compression (85% slider) if you left in the menu's and whatnot. I don't even want to know how much video quality you loose if you leave in everything!

P.S. Also, when you go to rip that 2nd disc, if you look, there's the double "movies" again, but this time, the 2nd one is slightly larger in file size, (2,193MB) because if you swtich between Title 1 and Title 2, watch the captions, with Title 2, you get 4 more caption options called "Director's Comments". As confirmed before, these captions are for language decoding during the film (Elvish, Orcish). I just checked my copy of FOTR Extended, and sure enough, there were the Director's Comments captions on the disc. So to recap, you need to select the 2nd "Title" movie to retain the language captions, that's why it's slighty bigger.

[Kingnog]

Eh...are you sure one isnt widescreen, the other full? (lol).

[Thunder In Paradise]

Nope, just 6GB worth of widescreen goodness! :P

[Kingnog]

Hmm, I really have no idea. I have Fellowship of the ring, no problems like that...are you sure one file isnt just a link to the other? Or something like that...

Dont make me think, my brain hurts!