DVD-R x16 speed expected 2004

[PhilipL]

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[thinkert]

I always said it was rubbish and I am glad Fuji thought so too, as they have 16x DVD-R in the wings that is expected to be out next year.

That's impossible! DVD-R will be dead and gone by then, just read some of the posts on this site!

Seriously, that's great, esp. the expected high compatability with current players. I don't know much about the technology, but hopefully it will be usable on current burners and hopefully some current burners will be firmware upgradable to 16X.

[saspgmr]

Wow, 16x. At what speed will that disk be spinning? And, what kind of material are the drives going to be made from? If that disk breaks, I want to be in the next county. Anyway, at my age, I'm not sure I want to go that fast. It will take me longer to get the disk out of the box and into the drive than it will to burn it.

[KDH]

Where does it say in the article that the addressing system is able to write at 16x on DVD-R's?

The article states that the company will be able to make media capable of being used at 16x

Last I looked Fuji make plenty of DVD+R as well and I suspect that it used DVD-R as a generic term for all writable media.

Chances are that even if DVD-R works at 16x-I suspect DVD+R will be there at least 6 months before.

Plextor 708 launched mid August 2003 writing at 8x on DVD+R- First 8x DVD-R machine still not here and the days are ticking by into the peak holiday buying season.Specs STILL not released by the DVDForum

KDH

[cplevel42]

It dosn't matter, really. Dual layered DVD burners will be out next year, so high speed single layered DVD Burners are old hat for me.

[energy80s]

And as most people are still burning at x1 or x2 it will hardly matter!

[tompika]

And as most people are still burning at x1 or x2 it will hardly matter!

I don't think so! All my friends that have 4x burner do it at 4x.
My neighbour's Nec1300 burns full RitekG04 in 14:30 (25sec finalization included)
wich is impressive and compatible.
But I still burn my DVD+RWs at 2.4x in 22-23 min since it is a 2.4x only burner

What's this I keep hearing about DVD-R and its addressing system not allowing faster write speeds?

I always said it was rubbish and I am glad Fuji thought so too, as they have 16x DVD-R in the wings that is expected to be out next year.

Now thats great but I'd like to see the 8xDVD-R and 4xDVD-RW burning first...

[Gazorgan]

Once you go 4x, it's impossible to go back to 1x. 2x only if you got a deal on the media. Sub 15 minute burns are nice. Let's you do all kinds of fun things on the fly (my personal time-shifting computer). I mean I can cap, then edit a TV show and burn it in under 10 minutes. Real useful if I know I'm going to miss something, but still want to watch it on TV.

As to 16x. I have yet to see any 8x -R. I doubt the claim at 16x burning fro -R. There are technical limitations to how it works. I think you will find, if you ever get a 16x -R burner, and find some media, that it burns on average at 12x. Call it an educated guess, but it's based on how the data is physically stored in the dye.

Along the same lines, has anyone actually purchased an 8x +R burner, and found any media for it. And will it be RITEK G05 or RITEK G08 :P

[deaconx31]

I agree.... once you go to 4x, it sucks going back! If you search well enough, you can usually find 4x media for $1-1.25. I bought 50 high quality memorex DVD+R 4x for 60 bucks. The burn a movie in about 14-15 min. I have some old 2.4x and 1x media left and I fall asleep when they burn!

[tompika]

And will it be RITEK G05 or RITEK G08 :P

Nope, it IS the [RICOHJPNR02]
But the [RICOHJPNR01], [MCC002] and the [YUDEN000T01]
are good enough to write at 8x...

[marvel2020]

Well i've still got and use a Pioneer 104 and burn at 2xspeed, i don't mind burning at 2xspeed.

I remember way back to when the first CDr burners came along, i picked up a 2xspeed Traxdata and i used that untill it wouldn't work anymore before i would go out and spend money on a faster drive.

I eventually got a Plextor 12xspeed (which i still have but don't use because i think theres something wrong with it).

So i'll not be getting any faster DVD burning drive untill my Pioneer completely stops working, i don't see the sense in it really, it's just the companies way of making more money of you when they know that your gonna buy it, regarless of it being out of date a month or so later.

[Adder_78]

Now thats great but I'd like to see the 8xDVD-R and 4xDVD-RW burning first...

Well I would like to see 8X DVD+R writer and 4X DVD+RW's... Plextor has that great 6-8X burner... here in Finland there is no 8X DVD+R writers available... :P

[tompika]

Well I would like to see 8X DVD+R writer and 4X DVD+RW's...

https://www.videohelp.com/dvdwriters.php?DVDname=&cdrs=&cdrws=&dvdrs=&dvdrws=&writedvdpl...&Search=Search

here in Finland there is no 8X DVD+R writers available... :P

Ask Santa Claus he must be close to you...

[Jimmykicker]

It dosn't matter, really. Dual layered DVD burners will be out next year, so high speed single layered DVD Burners are old hat for me.

I'll agree with that. Pretty much everything that comes out nowdays is dual layered. I think people will chose ease over speed when the dual layer burners come out...

[Adder_78]

Well I would like to see 8X DVD+R writer and 4X DVD+RW's...

https://www.videohelp.com/dvdwriters.php?DVDname=&cdrs=&cdrws=&dvdrs=&dvdrws=&writedvdpl...&Search=Search

here in Finland there is no 8X DVD+R writers available... :P

Ask Santa Claus he must be close to you...

Are those CLV or ZCLV 8X writers... :P

EDIT: and where you can get the 4X DVD+RW media?

[tompika]

Are those CLV or ZCLV 8X writers... :P

They write a full disc in 7-8 minutes even on 4x media. Good enough?
Let me know when you write a 4xDVD-R faster than this.

EDIT: and where you can get the 4X DVD+RW media?

Ask the others. Click here.
https://www.videohelp.com/dvdmedia.php?dvdmediasearch=&dvdmediadvdridsearch=&type=4&size...+or+List+Media

Next question Adder_78...?

EDIT: Don't ask I know the next question: compatibility:

NU is unbeaten when it comes to handling. The drive needs between 10 and 12 seconds to detect the DVDs after the tray is closed; with CDs it is consistently 10 seconds. This is where the competitors start wearing on your nerves - often it takes 30 seconds to access a DVD. The burner also scored decently on the check with the burned DVD: the DVD+R could be played back in all nine DVD players.

You know bitsetting and decent media is a never fail...

Good night

[Adder_78]

Cool down tompika I'm not here to argue.

I have Plextor PX-708A. it's not 8X writer it's "6-8X" writer. I'm not an (-)-format man or (+)-format man so I dont see any point to argue which one is the best. I think it's best for all customers that there is two formats.

It's just strange that every time when somebody is telling news from the (-) or (+) format then there is allways these "X format is the best it can do this and this BlaaBlaa"...

4x RW's are quite rare in these days so I dont see any point to argue that ...

[tompika]

Right.

As you can see I'm not against the dash format.
https://www.videohelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=704411#704411

But talking about 16xDVD-R speed when 8x is nowhere near is pretty funny

[Adder_78]

But talking about 16xDVD-R speed when 8x is nowhere near is pretty funny

Yes that is true. But like we all have seen there is also some problems in true 8X writing in + format too... and the Plextor was "very long" time the only manufacturer that could put the 8X ZCLV(6-8X) writer to the market.

[i am x]

Seriously, that's great, esp. the expected high compatability with current players. I don't know much about the technology, but hopefully it will be usable on current burners and hopefully some current burners will be firmware upgradable to 16X.

I doubt it. I have yet to see a burner that can burn FASTER than it's designated speed. Anyone know of such a burner, cd OR dvd? If so, please post a link, as I'd sure like to read about it. As far as I know, they got us by the balls by only making the burners a certain maximum speed, then eventually making burners that burn at a faster speed, which in turn makes us have to go into our pockets and shell out the dough if we want to upgrade to those burners.

[i am x]

Wow, 16x. At what speed will that disk be spinning? And, what kind of material are the drives going to be made from? If that disk breaks, I want to be in the next county. Anyway, at my age, I'm not sure I want to go that fast. It will take me longer to get the disk out of the box and into the drive than it will to burn it.

What's the big deal? Ever listen to the whir of a 52x CD burner? (And I do mean WHIR).

[i am x]

It dosn't matter, really. Dual layered DVD burners will be out next year, so high speed single layered DVD Burners are old hat for me.

EGGXACTLEY! You and I are thinking under the same hat on THIS issue, as I'm sure many others of us are. I'm following the dual layered route, like the pied piper.

[Kingnog]

As you can see I'm not against the dash format.

LOL! Dash format!

[i am x]

I don't think so! All my friends that have 4x burner do it at 4x. My neighbour's Nec1300 burns full RitekG04 in 14:30 (25sec finalization included) wich is impressive and compatible.
But I still burn my DVD+RWs at 2.4x in 22-23 min since it is a 2.4x only burner

Yep. That's about the time it takes me to burn a full 4.7 disc also.

[i am x]

So i'll not be getting any faster DVD burning drive untill my Pioneer completely stops working, i don't see the sense in it really, it's just the companies way of making more money of you when they know that your gonna buy it, regarless of it being out of date a month or so later.

For some of us, it's a matter of business. The more we can burn in a day, and the less we have to make customers wait for their product, the more money we make. Customers LOVE when they can bring you something that they need done, and by later no that day, or the next day at the latest, you have it done for them. For ME, it's definitely better if I can burn more in less time.

[tompika]

As you can see I'm not against the dash format.

LOL! Dash format!

See? I could write "MINUS" but I wouldn't want to be NEGATIVE.

[thinkert]

Seriously, that's great, esp. the expected high compatability with current players. I don't know much about the technology, but hopefully it will be usable on current burners and hopefully some current burners will be firmware upgradable to 16X.

I doubt it. I have yet to see a burner that can burn FASTER than it's designated speed.

? I could have sworn I've seen DVD burners that have been firmware upgradable to burn faster than advertised when they first came out, but I could be mistaken...can anyone back me on this?

Also, for those saying "16X? They don't even have 8X!"-from the article, this sounds like a change in the technology. Remember, not all changes are incremental-technology changes can allow for skipping steps. Example-dialup went from 14.4 to 28.8 to 56k-did you doubt 56k because they skipped 43.2? If the new technology allows for 16X burning, what's the point of offering 8X?

[chazzie]

Hmm, 16X DVD SPEED.... What kind of system would you need to have to make it kick all the data at that rate? That's over 21,6 MB per second! I mean at school we have an AMD XP2100+ w/ 256 MB RAM and a 4X burner, the only reason it works at 4X is thanks to the BurnProof technology. You'd need the latest multi Xtra, Super K Pentium4 Hyper Version at max GHz along with 2 GB ram and S-ATA or SCSI interface to shovle that amount of data! I burn at 2X or 2,4X (depending on media -R or +R), but that allows me to surf, listen to mp3, email and work in Excel without having to worry about the burn process. Again, just as CD's, too fast burning will probably make sloppy results, just as everyone is familiar with the problem that some burners will make an SVCD that plays back poorly at ie. 24X, whereas setting it down to 12X will make the disc less sloppy and it plays back better.

I read somewhere on this forum that too fast burning makes the pits look like this: \__/ when they should look like this: |__|

I assume it's the same with DVD....

[energy80s]

Once you go 4x, it's impossible to go back to 1x. 2x only if you got a deal on the media. Sub 15 minute burns are nice. Let's you do all kinds of fun things on the fly (my personal time-shifting computer). I mean I can cap, then edit a TV show and burn it in under 10 minutes. Real useful if I know I'm going to miss something, but still want to watch it on TV.

As to 16x. I have yet to see any 8x -R. I doubt the claim at 16x burning fro -R. There are technical limitations to how it works. I think you will find, if you ever get a 16x -R burner, and find some media, that it burns on average at 12x. Call it an educated guess, but it's based on how the data is physically stored in the dye.

Along the same lines, has anyone actually purchased an 8x +R burner, and found any media for it. And will it be RITEK G05 or RITEK G08 :P

I actually use x4 all the time (even though x4 media is still quite rare), but don't know of anyone else that does. I don't see much point in getting any faster. I still use a x8 CDR and its plenty fast enough.