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    As of last Weekend, Finding Nemo has grossed $318 Million, making it the largest grossing animated movie ever (eclipsing the Lion King).

    So what? Well, I have seen more than a dozen different versions of Finding Nemo on the Internet. I bring this up in reference to the argument that Piracy affects Movie revenue. I'm not advocating Piracy, I'm disputing the MPAA and RIAA argument that they are losing 'Billions' to Piracy. With 1000's soon to be sued for sharing mp3's, while new pay-per-download companies burn through all their advertising money, I question the whole premise.

    I've been to more theater movies in the last 2 years than in the 8 years before that, I can't imagine why?
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    I LOVE P2P programs!! I've found bands that I would have never heard of before. I've bought tons of albums becuse of what I've found on the P2P networks. So why is the RIAA out to get me?? I've fully supported them with my money for years. So because I like to find new bands and sample CDs before I buy them I should be sued? What crap. Once the RIAA dies I'll laugh for a day and a half at them.
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    It is all a little crazy I think.

    Whats going to happen is you will have a HUGE infulx of people who have not purchased music in a long time go GOOD LORD $18.00 for a CD - CRAZY then they wont buy it.

    Then no one will buy cd's anymore and sales will go WAY down, forcing them to lower prices so much that they are right back to where they where when people could listen to a song or two before buying the album.

    oh well
    Im one of those people who never could accept an mp3 album as good enough quality and still buy my cd's off the shelf.
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    Originally Posted by galactica
    GOOD LORD $18.00 for a CD - CRAZY then they wont buy it.

    Im one of those people who never could accept an mp3 album as good enough quality and still buy my cd's off the shelf.
    I remember when they were $12 for a new CD, but they still are at Best Buy! They have new CDs for $9.99. So I dl a few tracks, see if I'll like it, then go pick it up for ten bucks. If I dl the tracks and they suck, then I don't buy it. It's just that simple. But typically I use use Half.com to buy used stuff.

    I also think that mp3 albums tend to sound very bad on the computer, but once they are burned they tend to sounds fine.
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    i really think everyone who wishes to try music before they buy through online MP3's should boucyott the industry. i really do! it would paticularly get their backs up if every time we downloaded an album and like it enough to buy it, we send them a note saying "was going to buy this album, because i downloaded it and loved it! then remembered the bouycott. can you wait three months for my money?" and the same with movies. i downloaded leon, liked it, went and bought it (and am now ready to buy the UK special edition, if it -ever- comes out!) and the same with Xmen. went and bought it, and went to see X2.
    or what about the smashing pumpkins? i legitimately downloaded machina 2: friends and enemies, liked it, went and bought mellon collie.
    the boycott idea makes sense, just needs some organisation. after all, if the RIAA see the people paying their wages are the same people downloading music, they'll soon stop suing us!
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    How about this? Most of the stuff I have downloaded, I had on 8-Track tapes years ago. Although I've since thrown them away, technically, I paid for the songs. What difference would it make what media it resides on. If I still had the 8-Tracks, would I be allowed to download the MP3s that were on my 8-Tracks? I convert CD's to Mini-Disc for traveling. Is the RIAA going to sue me for this too?

    When I was a teenager, I recorded lots of music from FM radio on reel to reel tape. This is no different than downloading an MP3. In my opinion there is no difference in quality between a quality reel to reel recording and an MP3. No one ever had a problem with that.

    I may be wrong on the next concern but I thought I read here, that the RIAA and the MPAA are paid royalties on blank CD's and DVD's from the manufacturers. If this is true then they have their cake and eat it too.

    I agree with earlier comments about stuff you cannot find. I heard a song called Fiddle and Bow by Bruce Guthro during the evening of the Y2K turnover. This was the most touching song I have ever heard. I went nuts trying to find the CD on this. Since the music is from Ireland and I live in South Florida, It was simply unavailable. The only people who would have made money on this were the shippers if it could be done.

    Sorry for the rant! I'm a reader not a poster. I had to get this off my chest. The RIAA can kiss the North end of a southbound horse!

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  7. I don’t feel bad for anybody when I am downloading stuff. As it stands the entertainment industry is one of the only places where your satisfaction is not guaranteed. If I go into Mc Donalds and buy a burger and it tastes like shit I can tell the guy, “ hey I don’t want this, its nasty” same go's for lots of other stuff. But with movies and music, you’re stuck. You can’t walk out of a theater and say “Yeah the Hulk was just about the worse movie I have ever seen, so I would like my money back” And for that reason I will stick to P2P. I go to the movies when I know I'm going to love a movie. But I’m not chancing anything anymore. And then when it comes out on DVD I will buy it if I really like it. If I know I’m only going to watch something once, I’ll download it. I figure they aren’t losing money on me anyway, because I wasn’t going to buy the movie anyway. Had it not been for downloading I would have had to wait till it hit cable, and sometimes I’ll download a movie and end up liking it so much that I’d go out and buy it. Even though I already have it download and could burn it on DVD I go out and get it. And I think that’s what a lot of people do.
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  8. No sympathy for the RIAA and MPAA in this house.
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    I'm not going to get into the whole legality/morality thing so I'll just say this: I enjoy having a store bought DVD. Sure, I could pirate them off the internet for free (minus the $45 I pay a month for broadband cable), but I just enjoy having an authentic DVD with the nice box. I also enjoy seeing movies in the theater Even though it costs close to $30 for just my wife and I, it's fun to get out and suck up the theaterperience.

    I also stopped pirating music when Napster fell from it's glory. It became too much of a hassle. Even more so, when I lost about half of the songs that I collected due to a broken hard drive. Now I just listen to the radio and buy a cd, if I really like it.
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  10. @Gazorgan,

    really...what about shrek???

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    pirated movies can never really affect movie sales....as opposed to music pirating.

    pirate movies can never have that "theater experiences", especially those CAM and TS that are recorded with camcorders...horrible ass quality. i never ever watch any pirated movie...takes away the special effects.... when you go pay to watch at theater, you not only pay for the movie itself, you pay for the huge-ass screen, surround sound speakers, supposedly confortable stadium seating, etc....

    watching pirated movies at home cannot compare.

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    pirated music is different because the common user cannot tell the difference between mp3 quality and CD quality. you can almost get the CD experience for free.

    however, CD sales have gone down for some common sense reasons:

    1) slow economy=slow sales...DUH!!!!!!!

    2) crappy albums....most industries would link a decline in sales with a crappy product and/or market saturation...but oh no...the RIAA assumes that it's pirating that's taking away sales...how about 1-hit wonders...plenty of those around...
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    I heard that on the 12 O'Clock news. I've been trying to find a site on movie gross sales. I think Shrek's numbers include Pay-Per-View and DVD sales ( Shrek sold a LOT of DVD's!, and it's stil there for on-demand digital cable ), I'm talking strictly theater sales here.

    On downloading songs. Let's look at the Grateful Dead and Ecoustic Hookah, bands that allow and promote recording at the concert. I mean there are audio and video recorders everywhere! Does this affect their sales? Not that they can tell, in fact the fans like to have the bands CD, and well as various concert versions of the same song. I actually heard a Dead CD with 13 versions of the same song and the guy was estatic to have it. A lot of new bands would be overjoyed to have 100,000 people d/l their music. Unless you are an absolute god in the music industry(Who might that be, Michael Jackson who get's $40 million in royalties a year?) you make your money touring in concert.
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  12. I am surprising myeslf here, but, I agree with mr tristan the quality and ease of use of a bought Dvd is great. Being able to pick out the dvd you want from the spine alone because its properly printed is a great joy. BUT I notice that the extras you get on most ordinary dvds these are days are just plain carp.. if you want the true extras you haveto buy the special edition at extra money. They should stop fleecing the Joe public(JP) with the 2 disc movie and have a simpler box with one disc and cut the prices.. Dvds should sell for about £7.00 retail IMNHO. I have rented some movies which just send out the main movie and I have never missed a "making of" docu, which is simply advertising puff to be shown on telly to generate interest in the movie prior to its release. Its great they even find a way to sell their advertising.. come back communism all is forgiven! (joke!!)
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    Remember years ago when CD's first appeared? At the time their cost was phenominal compared to their vinyl counterparts. This was due to the high cost of developing the CD format and media. However the price of blank CD's is now much lower in comparison but the price of music CD's has not reduced significantly. This means that the music industry is raking in the cash and instead of lowering the price they are making massive profits from Joe public.

    For this reason alone I will not buy music CD's until the price comes down to a realistic level, and the only way I can see this happening is by not buying music CD's from the retail outlets.

    There, I feel much better now.
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    I buy all mine at 12 for 1 cent, plus $5.95 shipping :P
    Or Used.
    Oh Yeah, I have like 600 CD's that are scratched too badly to play or broken, but I still legally own them!!!! Dont' forget the 300 pieces of vinyl...
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    and it's not long now until companies no longer have to pay philips royalties when they make cd's, is it?

    it's ridiculous, the music industry will suddenly be millions better off every year because they no loner have to pay for IP that's 25 years old, and at the same time are suing people over IP that is in some cases twice that age! corporations suck!
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    however, CD sales have gone down for some common sense reasons:

    1) slow economy=slow sales...DUH!!!!!!!

    2) crappy albums....
    here's one to add to this... catalog sales are down. you know, stuff like Bob Marley, Bob Segar, Aerosmith, all that stuff that's already been paid for 100 times over for 20 years.

    The problem is, everybody and their grandma have finally got them on cd, so the "I've got to upgrade from my 8-track" crowd has stopped artificially inflating the back catalog sales. And there's not as much new interest as was expected... not too many Britney Smears fans are getting turned on to Bob Segar's Greatest Hit.

    And there is not too much that's come out in the last 15 years to replace the old classics, for longevity - the only suggestions I've heard have been Metallica's "Black Album" and Nirvana's "Nevermind" - other than that, there's not much that really rings the bells as a strong catalog seller...

    and I'm trying to remember the last major-label record I bought new. I get most of my stuff used, new major-label stuff I get as promos from a friend at Sony... most of my new music I buy is indie bands on indie labels that the RIAA doesn't rep anyway.

    but no, it's "piracy" that's costing them the money....
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  17. Originally Posted by RabidDog
    if you want the true extras you haveto buy the special edition at extra money. They should stop fleecing the Joe public(JP) with the 2 disc movie and have a simpler box with one disc and cut the prices..
    sorry, i have to disagree with you on some points.

    1) a lot of movies are being released as "special editions" right from the start

    2) those special editions require 2 discs...rather than 1. yes, they can include everything on just 1 disc, but that would require a DVD18 disc...which is very, very expensive to manufacture. hence, they include 2 DVD9 discs because the latter is much, much cheaper to manufacture and w/ a much lower defect rate than the former.
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  18. No no I meant just sell the movie alone on one disc.. stop conning everyone with the second disc..which as you quite rightly say is needed when there are genuine extras eg special editions. Ordinary movies do not need a second disc. The thruth about movies is that they are of time limited value (longer than vegetables) as after say 6 months to 3 years depending on the movie they are effectively shelf fillers of limited value becuase
    a) everyone who wants the movie has it
    b) it has been widely shown on terrestial Tv

    and lower the prices ... there would be no point in buying pirated or downloaded movies if the genuine thing only costs a few pounds.
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  19. @RabidDog,

    well....there are plenty of legit extras...

    personally, every DVD should be included with at least 1 trailer....i was surprised, for example, the matrix dvd didn't include a trailer...

    especially the newer releases have some pretty good extras and interviews...especially how they did those special effects

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    as for shelf life....

    1) collector's value...

    2) you can watch it whenever you want to...say you get the urge to watch some bulllet-time

    3) better quality than TV broadcast
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    No sympathy for the RIAA and MPAA in this house.
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    After reading this and a few other posts some observations have come to mind.

    Corporations are blaming people for copying their movies/music

    Public are accusing corporations of price gouging, and delivering poor content.


    Both are correct when viewed for each others perspective.

    In order to come to a happy understanding both parties must meet in the middle.

    Some thoughts.

    Movie studios/music industry to get into the 21st century and stream their
    content (FREE) across the net but in a form that makes duplication pointless.
    pointless = not worth the effort.

    ie: stream latest releases in low quality (low bitrate) form with mono sound tracks
    and perhaps even a logo, so that people can gauge the content and decide weather a visit
    to the theatres (or purchase of DVD) is worth the experience.

    Call me a purist (or whatever you like - just not late for dinner) but, I for one think
    the quality of divx videos and/or 128bit MP3's are crap and am more than happy to spend
    a 'fair' price on a good album/movie.

    FAIR PRICE ..... a tough argument but a good example is VHS/DVD - DVD being cheaper to
    manufacture is still priced above the cost of an identical VHS. "O but you get extras"
    they say - SO WHAT -
    And as a side line : Add a spare of each disk in the set (ie archive backups) A minimal
    concern since DVD are proberly less than $1 bulk.
    This will be of little use to those that store their originals at blockbuster though.

    For the music industry - Open a complete database ,let people 'custom' build their
    own 'best of' / 'grestest hits' CD's. Everybody is happy . The customer gets the songs
    they want and record labels get their royalities (the may even pay the artists !)



    Now back to your regular programming..........................
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    Originally Posted by indolikaa
    No sympathy for the RIAA and MPAA in this house.
    They aren't welcome here in my home. They are so rude telling me that I must listen to a CD when an Mp3 in the computer is so much more convenient way of listening.

    They are so rude telling me to play a macrovision coded DVD with defective picture. They are so rude telling me that I must buy an Australian “Region 4” DVD when the title isn’t available here. RIAA and MPAA aren’t welcome here.

    In Australia, it is illegal to copy any music or movie for private use even though as a backup of the original.

    This is the quote from Australia’s consumer watchdog, “The ACCC notes that consumers currently do not have the right under Australian copyright law to make any copies of CDs, regardless of whether the copies are for personal use”.

    Check out: http://203.6.251.7/accc.internet/digest/view_media.cfm?RecordID=870

    This is ridiculous, how can they claim to lose money over private use copying for personal convenience and for protection of damage and theft of any music CD and the DVD?

    Backup a CD for the car makes sense due to heat and theft. Are they going to prosecute someone for that?

    This is also illegal in Australia and so ridiculous for time shifting purposes and you know what I am talking about, VCR recording of a TV show or movie.

    How can they prosecute someone having a copy of a TV show in Australia?

    I’ll never buy copy protected CDs with the complaints noted from consumers regarding quality of sound with the unwanted extras in the music CD such as interactive access for music. I want the music not the bullshit.

    This is a link of a French court ordered EMI to refund a customer over copy-protected music CDs.

    http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/09/04/1062548939747.html

    We want the goods, not defects and to listen to it. I’ve returned several defective DVDs without a problem this year and why not on music CDs.

    I’ll never buy a “Silverchair” music CD again due to their rudeness of a defective “enhanced” QuickTime video unable to play on some computers.

    I have to install an extra on QuickTime for this and the Britney Spears no trouble at all with her musicvideo on the same day.

    Silverchair says I have to contact the record company and I tell the group why can’t their own record company make a simple video in the music CD just like Britney Spears’ “overprotected” without the hassle.

    My above example is one problem of people is having with music CDs reported on this: http://www.smh.com.au/technology/copycontrol/index.html

    They are not real music CD and this is the problem of the difficulty of playing on normal CD player as such more as software. If they can’t play them, then return them and damn copy protection.

    Consumers must have rights too and the movie and music industry must reduce the prices as too expensive.
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