ALL-IN-WONDER 7500 vs. ALL-IN-WONDER 9000 Pro?

[Rond66]

I am looking into upgrading to an
ALL-IN-WONDER 7500 or ALL-IN-WONDER 9000 Pro.

I don’t need the 8500 DV.
I capture from the TV tuner and VHS use my old ALL-IN-WONDER 128.
For those of you, I plan to stay with an ATI card.

Is it worth a $50 difference and Why?

Thanks,
Ron

[MOVIEGEEK]

I have the AIW 7500 and I'm happy with the captures,the only differance between the two would be gaming(9000 has higher fps).Check out www.googlegear.com for good prices on videocards.

[Rond66]

MOVIEGEEK,
Thanks for your info.

I also would like to hear from people who own both of these.
Is it worth a $50 difference and Why?

Thanks,
Ron

[amdworld]

i've been told thta the aiw 9000 po get's better picture quality for it uses the theater 200, while the 7500 uses another chip .
forgot the name .
but this is all i know
sorry

[Rond66]

Does the 9000 give better capture quality then the 7500?
What is it better at doing?

Thanks,
Ron

[DereX888]

I haven't found any visible difference in picture quality among any A-I-W Radeon series cards (I had, have, or tested them all) when capture was done on same computer.
The only real difference I can think of is that ATI A-I-W Radeon 7200 (the oldest one) does slightly better autotuning job, and it does it faster (and yes - it is not due to software/drivers, since it still does it faster from other cards irregardless of using old MMC7.x or latest MMC8.5).

I heard (seek this forum) about problems on latest A-I-W Radeon cards with new tuners and lower signal channels, though I haven't experienced it myself (and one of my sources is very low analog cable signal).

If you don't play much of games, get the oldest/cheapest ATI A-I-W Radeon you can find, save yourself pile of cash.

[andkiich]

I'm absolutely loving my AIW7500. Only have had it for a few months, but it is doing everything that I could ever want.

[dun4cheap]

AIW 7500 is a great card, but I am waiting for the new ATI TV cards to come out so I can run my cards separate again. For years I used the ATI TV PCI Wonder with my rage and radeon cards. Finally went to eh AIW 7500, and I will probably goto the 9800Pro with the new ATI TV card separate. Although the 9000AIW is tempting.

[Greydog]

I have both the 7500 and the 9000 pro on two of my computers. I mostly create home video, input with firewire and rarely play games. The 9000 pro was an unnecessary purchase for me. The 7500 did the job just fine. The 7500 runs cooler so I can run it with just a heat sink on the chip (less noise) and it stays cool enough. The 9000 pro crashes my system when I run just the heatsink on it. It just runs too hot.

[txpharoah]

All the AIW Radeons, from the 7200 to the 9700 seem the same to me. Only difference were really in the computer graphics area. The 9800 is supposed to have better video chips, but I've not seen one of those in action as of yet.

[2fives]

I have a AIW 7500 and for analog capture it works awesome. It's like all season tires, performs well in all catagories. For gaming it's not up to the challenge, will play all games just not gonna acheive smoking frame rate and you will be missing out on some graphic details, and no fire wire port leaves it in the basic capture card catagory.

[overloaded_ide]

I also have the ATI AIW radeon 7500 and like it just fine, but am buying another card soon and was wondering about newer higher priced versions.
I am not a hardcore gammer and don't care to spend the money for a gamming card, but I do want the best in analog captures from vhs.

One thing I am wondering about in capturing, I use the ATI capture software. When I capture mpeg 2, I cannot set the audio to 48mhz like it should be, 44,100 is the highest setting. Nothing I have tried will open the ATI created .mp2 files. I have tried several things including just changing the filename to .mpg but nothing will use it! Tmpgenc plus, Tmpgenc DVD author, Uleads DVD programs, or nero's dvd stuff, nothing will use that file. It will play using ATI software if I double click it from windows explorer though. Is this a common problem, is it a header problem or the audio settings or a bug in my system somewhere? Does everyone have this problem?

Currently I have to capture as mpeg 1, but I can change all the settings to about the same thing as a meg 2 for dvd. I get good vhs quality captures, but why can't I use the mpeg2, and does it work in newer cards like the 9000?
Is there a patch I am missing to correct the problem?

That's about my only reason to go with a higher card, I think Ati has new MMC included with the new cards. Does it fix this problem? Also for those with the newer cards, is the new MMC worth buying the disk from ATI for $10? I read you need the new disk to install the new files. So if the software is the only thing I need to capture mpeg2 directly then I could pop $10 for the disk and stay with the 7500.

With Tmpgenc DVD Author I can open the mpg 1 files and create the DVD files just fine. I just got the program last week and already made 10 DVDs, but I haven't been able to do anything with all the other progams I tried for 3 months or so that was worth having.

[txpharoah]

One thing I am wondering about in capturing, I use the ATI capture software. When I capture mpeg 2, I cannot set the audio to 48mhz like it should be, 44,100 is the highest setting. Nothing I have tried will open the ATI created .mp2 files. I have tried several things including just changing the filename to .mpg but nothing will use it!

Update your drivers to the newest version and get ATI MMC 7.7. Those problems are caused by the older software. Free and easy to do at www.ati.com.

[overloaded_ide]

I got newer drivers and MMC before I think, but maybe not the newest so I'll try again then. Thanks.

[MOVIEGEEK]

@overloaded-ide,
Remove ATI Media Library that way your captures are not saved as a .vcr but an .mpg file.

[overloaded_ide]

txpharoah,

Eek you broke my system

Just joking, but yes I did break it now or more like ATI did.

After installing all the new drivers and MMC 7.7 I can not capture to my drive I use for capture and editing. I saw no warning on ATI before dowloading the files, but after it did not work I checked FAQ for why I could not capture.
Seems on some systems there is a problem if the boot drive with the O/s and ATI software is Fat32 and the capture drive is NTFS the capture will not start! I could grab stills, but not capture. So to be sure that was the problem I captured a couple short clips to my Fat32 drive, and sure enough that does work. Just cannot capture to the NTFS drive.
I think there may still be an Mpeg2 problem though, I could not open the clip in tempenc plus still, though DVD Author did open it, but would not creat the files on the NTFS drive now, gave an error. I think it did work saving to the fat32 drive though. I had no problem with DVD author using the NTFS drive before for mpeg1.

I thought about converting the boot drive to NTFS, but I do a dual boot to win 98 sometimes. Couple old programs that don't behave well in 2K I still like to use.

Supposedly MMC 8.1 is supposed to be the fix, but I thought I read at ATI you have to have a new ATI disk to install 8 and above? Also MMC 7.7 is what they showed to be for my card to begin with?

If worse comes to worse, I got an old system I can use for the win 98 stuff and suppose I could convert to NTFS on the boot drive for my main system. Or go back to MMC 7.5 and mpeg1?

Has anyone else been having these type problems with the ATI AIW RADEON 7500?

My system is an Iwill XP333 with Maxtor 60gig (boot, fat32) and maxtor 120 gig (2 partitions, both NTFS)

[Rond66]

I am looking into upgrading to an
ALL-IN-WONDER 7500 or ALL-IN-WONDER 9000 Pro.

I don’t need the 8500 DV.
I capture from the TV tuner and VHS use my old ALL-IN-WONDER 128.
For those of you, I plan to stay with an ATI card.

Is it worth a $50 difference and Why?

Thanks,
Ron

[huntingtheasphyx]

Echo... Echo...Echo... Echo...Echo...

[FOO]

I have been able to install all the latest ATI stuff
up to 8.5 despite the warnings that I would have to
buy it. They want $10.00 otherwise.

[Rond66]

I got AIW 9000 pro yesterday. I like it. Thruview is so cool!
Setup was very easy.
Thank

FYI
AIW 8500 is being disco by ATI.