$12.99 DVDFAB destroys DVDXCopy$99 -InterVideo DVDCopy$60

[mrbass]

guess there's no reason to use either of the commercial programs anymore. DVDFAB Beta 3 works awesome keeping everyting menus, extras, movie and splitting to two DVD-Rs. Plus no annoying logo nor prevents you from making a backup of a backup.

http://www.dvdfab.com

edit this to clarify license:
It's is free to use for as long as you want. If you don't register the only thing is your'll have two nag screens 5 - 10 seconds each time you use it. I like to think of it as donating rather than registering.

[onlinejames]

still 2 dvd-r............not good

[scottvf]

But, you can use dvd2one, ic, dvdshrink to make it fit on one after you remove what you want to with dvdtoolbox/dvdfab.

[Faustus]

I only have one use for dvdspliting software, eps disc. Gonna see if this can tackel them well.

[mrbass]

personally I doubt I'll be using DVDFAB for splitting to two discs. I'm just telling those who are ready to spring for their wallets on one of the other mentioned products that's all.

[BJ_M]

i will give it another try .. beta 1 would not work at all but showed a LOT of promise ..

[in7ruder]

Just tried it and it crashed out or just did nothing even after clicking process. Didn't / couldn't / wouldn't work.

[mrbass]

in7ruder
Not trying to insult your intelligence so please don't get mad. Just double checking that you did rip it with dvddecrypter and mounted the .iso? DVDFAB doesn't have built-in decryption capabilities like dvdshrink or dvd2dvd-r.

[kernal_panic]

i'm a cheap basterd i don't give a damn about any menus. i use dvd2one and dvd ddecryptor to rip and reproccess my movies for backup.

[in7ruder]

That explains why it didn't work. Lol.

[scottvf]

I still use dvdtoolbox. The fab program doesn't let you choose what to strip/split like the latest toolbox does. (example I strip out episodes that have subtitles since I don't use them) Don't know why they did away with that option.

[FulciLives]

I just tried the new BETA 3 version of DVDFab and it worked NOW on a DVD disc that it had not worked on before correctly.

I AM A HAPPY CAMPER

- John "FulciLives" Coleman

P.S.
The disc in question is the NTSC region 3 Korean release of BATTLE ROYALE SPECIAL EDITION

*** EDIT ***
My test was with COPY COMPLETE DVD

[DereX888]

scottvf wrote:

(example I strip out episodes that have subtitles since I don't use them)

most of dvds have few subtitles only, they take almost no space at all on a disc - why remove them? I understand *you* may have no use for them, but guess what: most of the people in the world don't speak English... "thanks" to such shortsightness like yours there is so many rips circulating among traders that are crippled this way. And even as an English-speakin person I find myself turning English subtitles *ON* on movies like "Barbershop" or others, where lots of uncommon slang language is used...

Personally I strip any secondary language audio tracks, but I always leave subtitles as a courtesy for non-English speaking folks, even when I was making SVCDs in the past. It doesn't interfere with quality of your ripped video at all

[housepig]

If this prog is "100% Freeware", why is there a Register page talking about a $12 registration fee to get rid of a nag screen?

This sounds more like shareware / nagware to me. (not that that is bad - I'm just trying to be clear).

[mkelley]

Yes, I'm with you housepig.

Mr. Bass -- this isn't freeware. The home page makes it quite clear that once the program is out of beta it will be *pay* ware. Nothing wrong with that -- I believe in paying for my software, but this whole thread is a little deceptive sounding.

You might say something like "Cheaper DVDFab blows away more expensive products" but I wouldn't be misleading folks this isn't going to cost them something.

[kernal_panic]

a courtesy? huh? i'm an american, i don't sell movies i copy, i may loan them to freinds but everyone here speaks english. All i want when i do a movie back up is i want the flick and the sound. Now when i do a movie with alot of forgien language in it i'll keep the subtitling like for blackhawk down. and if non english speaking people are trading illegeally in english speaking movies well i guess there is gonna be some kind of price for "free".

scottvf wrote:

(example I strip out episodes that have subtitles since I don't use them)

most of dvds have few subtitles only, they take almost no space at all on a disc - why remove them? I understand *you* may have no use for them, but guess what: most of the people in the world don't speak English... "thanks" to such shortsightness like yours there is so many rips circulating among traders that are crippled this way. And even as an English-speakin person I find myself turning English subtitles *ON* on movies like "Barbershop" or others, where lots of uncommon slang language is used...

Personally I strip any secondary language audio tracks, but I always leave subtitles as a courtesy for non-English speaking folks, even when I was making SVCDs in the past. It doesn't interfere with quality of your ripped video at all

[mrbass]

Yes, I'm with you housepig.

Mr. Bass -- this isn't freeware. The home page makes it quite clear that once the program is out of beta it will be *pay* ware. Nothing wrong with that -- I believe in paying for my software, but this whole thread is a little deceptive sounding.

You might say something like "Cheaper DVDFab blows away more expensive products" but I wouldn't be misleading folks this isn't going to cost them something.

That's not true as it's 100% freeware..trust me. I'll cut and paste from my homepage explainly the two timed screens. There was only one reason he did this and that was to prevent it from getting ripped off like dvdshrink and other free programs did.

"DVDToolbox license is freeware.
The benefit of registering is the two 5 to 10 second popup boxes [opening and clicking Split/Stream] won't show any longer. There are no limitations or restrictions and it won't expire in 30 days or whatever. Feel free to use it forever. I do strongly encourage you to register (donate) to motivate dvdtoolbox, the author, to continue to development of this wonderful tool."

dvdfab will is the new name of dvdtoolbox. And Joerg has emailed me stating it will definitely remain freeware. So no the title is not deceptive it's just got two delay screens which is to prevent it from being ripped off.

I'll have him modify his homepage explaining it clearly so you won't be confused. I'll also before it goes final correcting all the English grammar and spelling errors and submitting them to Joerg.

[housepig]

fair enough - I can certainly understand his desire not to be ripped off.

it is unclear from the website (at least on the english side)

thanks for clarifying.

[mkelley]

Well, it's not *freeware*, Mr. Bass -- requiring payment for registration to remove splash screens or timed stuff or whatever, this doesn't differ in any substance from, say, WinZIP. I will grant you it's *shareware* -- but that is a little different beast.

As I said before, I don't have a problem with paying for software, nor do I have a problem with an author soliciting such payments. But both the spirit and exact terminology of freeware is pretty clear -- there are no restrictions on it's use in any way. This ain't freeware (and on one should be happy with any efforts to erode the nature of freeware).

[dcsos]

I LOVE THIS PROGRAM
So far converted 2 dual layer that I need the extras from (imagine that-needing the extras)
This program does it for you to 2 discs in original quality exactly!

and a MAJOR INNOVATION in one click processing here:
THIS IS HUGE because anytime you go for something on the
OTHER DISC, it tells you "PUT IN DISC 2"

This is the GENIUS MOVE that makes DVD X COPY completely obsolete
How many times have you been confused about which DVD X COPY disc what you backed up is on--after the fact?

And this program doesn't PUT ITS NAME all over your backup (and prevent future bakup of the bakup like DVDxCOPY)

AND it is FREEWARE..FREEWARE with a donation NAG SCREEN

MR BASS thanks for this post and can you conceive an enhancement THAT ALLOWS US TO MAKE OUR OWN custom "PUT IN DISC TWO" sceeens?

[mkelley]

AND it is FREEWARE..FREEWARE with a donation NAG SCREEN

MR BASS thanks for this post and can you conceive an enhancement THAT ALLOWS US TO MAKE OUR OWN custom "PUT IN DISC TWO" sceeens?

You *can* make your own graphics, AFAIK -- that's what the option "Create Change Graphic packet" is for.

(But it's not freeware folks -- sigh, if we start corrupting the use of this term what's next? Calling payware "donation ware"?)

[FulciLives]

I have to agree with dcsos in saying that DVDFab is one excellent program. So far the BETA 3 version has worked on the one disc I have used to test it. The menu and ALL extras were on disc one with the second "half" of the movie on disc two. Any menu item not on disc one said to put in disc two etc.

The thing I like is that the program actually worked!

I tried installing DVDXCOPY once and it totally screwed up my computer to the point that it said I had NO optical drives. It managed to do this to WinXP Pro across the board ... the OS said I had no DVD/CD drives! I had to go to the Microsoft webiste and found (thank god!) a "fix" that required me to edit the registry to get back my optical drives. What the hell kind of crap software does shit like that!!!

So kudos to DVDFab for working correctly. Once there is a stable release I will probably donate and do so very happily

- John "FulciLives" Coleman

[dcsos]

Thanks MK

It took some getting used to, but you're right you can make your own GRAPHICfor DISC CHANGE notification with the CHANGE GRPHIC PACKET ... but you will need to encode them to .VOB from any still pictue or very short animated sequence..Don't know how well it works yet

[mrbass]

mkelly...not gonna get in a huge arguement. Winzip it is "illegal" to use it past 30 days. At my company I'll remove winzip from their computer if they don't have a license for it. We use IZArc which is freeware at our company. http://www.mrbass.org/winfreeware/
And to get technical...irfanview is illegal to use at your company you must pay $10. Same with ad-aware....companies must pay. That's why we use spybot at work.

I'll get Joerg to change his homepage very soon. Trust me I was as skeptical as you were when I first started using dvdtoolbox. If two screens popup for 5 seconds bothers you by all means don't use the software and spend $99 on dvdxcopy which you've already done I believe.

But for those who wish to use dvdfab for as long as they wish they certainly are entitled to do so as it's a freeware license.

Making your own CGP isn't impossible but not exactly a piece of cake either. Just follow these instructions to the letter. http://www.dvdfab.com/anleit_cgp_e.htm

[mkelley]

mkelly...not gonna get in a huge arguement. Winzip it is "illegal" to use it past 30 days. At my company I'll remove winzip from their computer if they don't have a license for it. We use IZArc which is freeware at our company. http://www.mrbass.org/winfreeware/
And to get technical...irfanview is illegal to use at your company you must pay $10. Same with ad-aware....companies must pay. That's why we use spybot at work.
http://www.dvdfab.com/anleit_cgp_e.htm

I don't want to argue either, mr bass, but my example of WinZip was just for the nag screen. WinZIP isn't shareware -- it's payware. DVDFab isn't freeware, it's shareware. These are well established conventions that have been around for a long long time (I've seen them for at least 20 years now -- I haven't been in computers longer than 25 years or so but they might have existed as terms even before then). I just hate to see them corrupted.

As for paying -- I fully intend to pay for DVDFab if I use it. Heck, I'm trying my darndest to pay for DVDShrink, even though it IS legitimate freeware. I pay for all the software I use (and even a lot of software I never use anymore :>)

I can understand why the author hasn't made it simple to produce your own slide from graphics -- that would involve encoding and he'd have to address all those problems. I think it's just fine to require you to produce your own VOBs outside of the program. I'm going to give it a try in the next few days and decide how well it really works (the one and only thing I don't like about DXC is the darn "Insert Disk 2" -- so it really attracts me that DVDFab gives you the ability to customize that). It's too bad you can't preview the disk split, though -- that's a feature of DXC I really like.

[mrbass]

Shareware distribution gives users a chance to try software before buying it. If you try a Shareware program and continue using it after a reasonable evaluation period, you are expected to register. Individual programs differ on details -- some request registration while others require it, some specify a maximum trial period. With registration, you get anything from the simple right to continue using the software to an updated program with printed manual.

Every shareware I've encounted requires you to register it to "legally" continue using it. DVDFAB does NOT require you to register it to "legally" continue using it. Only to get rid of the two 5 second popup screens.

How about label it nagware but free to use? I don't imagine seeing dvdfab listed on nonags.com for example. Joerg was bombared with requests to sell it out and others would market and sell it. He felt he had no choice to prevent dvdtoolbox (name at the time) from getting ripped off.

I'll send Joerg an email after I post this and have him look at this thread so he gets an idea of the confusion the licensing terms are creating. English isn't his first language but he does his best.

[mkelley]

I can certainly understand him not wanting to get ripped off -- when I see what those guys have done with DVDShrink I get as mad as I ever get (nowadays with my blood pressure that isn't too much, though :>) I'm not quite sure, however, how those nag screens help if he disables them when people pay for his software -- what's to prevent someone from just paying and using the paid product?

Now if you start to tell me he generates keys based on the computer and thus you can only use his paid version on one computer... well, we are now getting directly and squarely into shareware (actually, we may even be crossing over the line into paidware). You want to call it nagware? Okay, I don't particularly have a problem with that. It sure isn't freeware, and if you want to insist that it isn't shareware I guess it has to be called something. I suppose if the title of this thread had been "Nagware DVDFAB destroys..." I would have been just fine, although I still think truth-in-advertising would require "DVDFab $12.50 destroys..."

And I'm sure the programmer does a lot better in English than I would do in any other language (I got through about three years of High School French but I if I had to write a French sentence that didn't involve a red pen or a pretty girl I'd be lost).

[Wheelie4]

I think this technical jargin has gone overboard(no offence intended). I haven't tried it yet but looks interesting. Basicly like mrbass said. It's simply put nagware. Nothing more, nuthing less. It's free because your not forced to pay for it to continue using it's full functions. No big deal. A simple click of the mouse after executing and you have a full version, no limit program. Just that simple. I say enjoy the creators efforts or use another of your choice. No biggie.

The main reason for this thread was to comment on it's performance compared to other expensive programs. Not what type of software it's technically labeled.

I am a huge Audio/Videophile. I like watching movies on my widescreen hd rptv and put alot of money and calibration time into my home theater system and want the highest picture quality possible so I refuse to compress a main movie. I will strip all menus, extras and burn. If it's still too big I'll use 2 disc which I haven't needed to yet(thats when I plan to try DVDfab). MrShrink, thank for your effort and generous offering. MrBass, thanks for the early posting.

[mrbass]

http://www.mrbass.org/dvdtoolbox

please read the bottom of this page and it clearly states what dvdtoolbox / dvdfab does when you register. I use the registration on my work computer and two computers at home no problem. It's nothing like dvd95copy which is tied to a hardware key. It's tied to your name, address and email address,etc.

[Doggiedaddy]

i'm a cheap basterd i don't give a damn about any menus. i use dvd2one and dvd ddecryptor to rip and reproccess my movies for backup.

And must not care much about video quality either?

(;-{> Dd