I bought the Cendyne DVD+R (NEC 1100A) at staples last week for 179.99 after rebate...ofcourse the following week Office Max had the same for 149.99 after rebate...only they gave me the -R which i dont mind cuz I'd rather have the Pioneer anyway...oowwwww. If it WAS the +R I could have sent the UPC with the Staples rebate and got and extra 20.00 off!...but I got the -R...no loss.