New Pioneer A06 coming

[vric]

Sorry it's in french:
http://www.clubic.com/n/n8860.html

Fast info:

the A06 is a Multi-Format burner that support :
4x DVD+R/-R
2,4x DVD+RW
2x DVD-RW
16x CD-R
10x CD-RW

Read speed:
8X DVD
16X CD

The A06 will be avalable soon in IDE for 329$USD and will come later in external format

[PhilipL]

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[Remco]

Anybody knows if the A05 and A06 have the same hardware??
Cause that could mean that with a firmware flash the A05 will also support dvd+rw

Me is very curious...

[vric]

Anybody knows if the A05 and A06 have the same hardware??
Cause that could mean that with a firmware flash the A05 will also support dvd+rw

Me is very curious...

I reallly don't think so.. the laser is not the same

[Alnath]

Of course +RW fanboys will still push +RW, but their sales features are vanishing quicker than single format writers!

Regards

Philip

I couldn’t give a monkeys uncle so long as I can get + media and all these dual format drives have done is make sure it will be around for ages Although it could be said that Pioneer has lost faith in the - format by yielding and making a +/- drive, but that would be quite cynical on my part to suggest it.

BTW I bought a + drive because it was cheaper than a – drive by a large margin not because one format is better than another.

[MachineMan]

Could this be the same player repackage as Cendyne that sells for $229 at Costco? Same formats.

https://www.videohelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=158941&highlight=

[Remco]

The decision to leave out 4X +RW stems from the newness of the format and the lack of media support for the format at this time, says Pioneer's Parsons.


"4X is not something we could depend on," Parsons says. "4X is so new and so untested that we didn't want to stretch it. Being our first [dual-format] drive, we wanted to get it right." Parsons expects the jump to 4X +RW will require a change to the hardware, and not just the drive's firmware.

Just read this in an online article!
Hmmm, I think the A05 hardware is capable of DVD+RW burning...

[cellmaniac]

Do you think that this Pioneer A06 might be a rebadged Lite-on? The Lite-on just came out on the market last week to support +/- formats too. Go figure....the media makers are probably going crazy having to make 2 types of DVD-R/+R. If one format was going to be decided, I'm sure the price of it all would go down further....like CDR's.

[Remco]

Do you think that this Pioneer A06 might be a rebadged Lite-on? The Lite-on just came out on the market last week to support +/- formats too. Go figure....the media makers are probably going crazy having to make 2 types of DVD-R/+R. If one format was going to be decided, I'm sure the price of it all would go down further....like CDR's.

No way in hell.
Pioneer make their own drives.
It's these Pioneer drives that get rebadged!!

[spiderman2k1]

I will pick up and AO6 when it come's Iout I need two DVD burner's any way but I'm still sticking with DVD-R

[w00tski]

Do you think that this Pioneer A06 might be a rebadged Lite-on? The Lite-on just came out on the market last week to support +/- formats too. Go figure....the media makers are probably going crazy having to make 2 types of DVD-R/+R. If one format was going to be decided, I'm sure the price of it all would go down further....like CDR's.

No way in hell.
Pioneer make their own drives.
It's these Pioneer drives that get rebadged!!

Thats untrue, sony used to make their own hardware till liteon came up. Its the bottom line, whats cheaper, make your own drive or rebadge someone elses? Thats the decision they make.

I welcome this development and i think it is the way of the future, dual format drives. Its not like the medium used is physically different like BETA/VHS was. I hope all drives become like this and it puts an end to the so-called 'format war'.

[RAAGAAman]

Pioneer saw all the money Sony was making. I agree the +RW alliance guys might want to change their direction and move to the dual format or maybe the super combo of -+R/RW/RAM. If you have one like that you will be able to compete in Asia where RAM is more popular than -+RW.

Also, I guarantee this is not the same drive as the A05 and you will not be able to hack the FW. The drive Chipset has to be able to detect the High Freq wobble of a +R/RW disk. Do you think that Pioneer had this in mind when the A05 was on the drawing board? I think not.

RG

[ldbs]

I just have one question
i have the a05 from pioneer

anyway

question is

what is the bigg. diff between -r and +r ?

i dont get it? dont they both hold media? can't it do the same crap same stuff. i know -r is cheaper, i buy some princos here in canada for 1$

what is the major difference between them?

[VinnySem]

The decision to leave out 4X +RW stems from the newness of the format and the lack of media support for the format at this time, says Pioneer's Parsons.


"4X is not something we could depend on," Parsons says. "4X is so new and so untested that we didn't want to stretch it. Being our first [dual-format] drive, we wanted to get it right." Parsons expects the jump to 4X +RW will require a change to the hardware, and not just the drive's firmware.

Just read this in an online article!
Hmmm, I think the A05 hardware is capable of DVD+RW burning...

shakes my head sadly...

The different formats have different laser frequencies. If the hardware does not support both formats, it can only record in the format it's designed for.

[Remco]

Are we 100% sure that the A05 hardware can't support DVD+RW??

[VinnySem]

I was going to go into some long winded well documented post, but I decided its not worth the effort.

[Remco]

I was going to go into some long winded well documented post, but I decided its not worth the effort.

Sorry for being positive

[oldfart13]

Hmmm...looks like from all this that it will soon be time for my A05 to "accidently" break so I can get a replacement A06. Nice to know I had paid extra for that 3 year extended warranty...

[Kennyshin]

Pioneer saw all the money Sony was making. I agree the +RW alliance guys might want to change their direction and move to the dual format or maybe the super combo of -+R/RW/RAM. If you have one like that you will be able to compete in Asia where RAM is more popular than -+RW.

Also, I guarantee this is not the same drive as the A05 and you will not be able to hack the FW. The drive Chipset has to be able to detect the High Freq wobble of a +R/RW disk. Do you think that Pioneer had this in mind when the A05 was on the drawing board? I think not.

RG

In Asia? Where in Asia? Japan? North Korea? South Korea? Vietnam? Iraq? Israel? China? Taiwan? Singapore? Nowhere I know is DVD-RAM more popular than +/-R(W). Even in Akihabara of Tokyo, DVD-RAM is much less popular than DVD+RW and DVD-RW.

However, DVD-RAM does have presence in Japan and Hitachi, Matsushita, and Toshiba will not easily give it up anytime soon. That's why Hitachi-LG introduced a DVD writer that can write to DVD-R, DVD-RW, DVD+R, DVD+RW, DVD-RAM, CD-R, and CD-RW. They just couldn't ignore DVD-RAM. For face.

[Kennyshin]

Hi

English offical press release here:

http://www2.pioneer-eur.com/eur/company_news_pressrelease.jsp?category=news_20030519_DVRA06

Got to admire Pioneer, in one fell swoop they will make a huge dent in sales of +RW/+R Ricoh drives (all the OEM badged ones).

It is clear that there can be no format winner, so just produce hardware that supports all the formats. I would say by Christmas this year there will be few single-format writers left for sale.

The question is what are Philips/Ricoh/RW Alliance going to do to compete.? You only have to look at the owners poll in this forum to see that sales of +RW/+R only drives were hit bad when Sony's dual writer was released, while Pioneer remained steady. Ricoh/Philips can only do one thing, announce their own dual-writer or lose all their sales to NEC/Sony/Pioneer.

Of course +RW fanboys will still push +RW, but their sales features are vanishing quicker than single format writers! For example:

- +RW Supported by Longhorn/MS. This was wrong, MS are supporting all formats and never said they would exclusively support +RW, just marketing and +RW fan boys said that.

- Mt Rainier, hardware defect management - still can not buy a drive with this some 2 years on. In contrast, Pioneers A06 will support hardware defect management on DVD-RW, yep DVD-RW gets defect management in Hardware before +RW!

So there you have it, in 9 months time virtually every drive will be a dual-writer and we can use what we want.

Regards

Philip

You were wrong and you will be proven wrong again and again.

What are you going to blame if there are millions of Plus-only writers at the end of this year?

NEC: has 4x DVD+R ND-1100A which supports Plus only.

Sony: just introduced DRU-510A which supports PlusRW up to 4x speed but supports MinusRW up to only 2x speed.

Pioneer: the largest and the original Minus maker but offers only 2x speed -RW while its latest writer DVR-A06 has 2.4x +RW.

And what about Plus-only writers the Taiwanese manufacturers were going to sell earlier this year but been delayed due to component shortage and lower-than-expected yield rate? They are coming anyway.

Samsung has no Plus writer because it was not very successful in negotiating with Philips, Ricoh, and NEC. LG was. (I have had some very long face-to-face conversations with the guys since I was going to become the largest distributor.) The fact that Pioneer was going to introduce a writer supporting 4x DVD+R writing was revealed in as late as March. I heard it from Pioneer Japan. It was also reported by some IT news media.

Hitachi supports DVD+R and DVD+RW now. Taiyo Yuden DVD+R 4x media are no more shocking. I can understand why you now sound as if supporting the idea of supporting "all" formats rather than taking the semi-official Pioneer DVD-R market position.

By the way, BeAll Developers (formerly part of Samsung group though it still exists inside Samsung geographically) have just introduced BeAll DVD+R media in the South Korean market. Samsung bundles 50 BeAll DVD-R media with its DVD Multi writer (the same as Matsushita's Panasonic LF-D560).

[whoster69]

Anyone got a guess as to when the A06 will be available?

[ADS Ivan]

I've been told "summer" but haven't heard anything more specific...

[Falcon500]

I think it says June on their press release somewhere....

[soundforbjt]

Could this be the same player repackage as Cendyne that sells for $229 at Costco? Same formats.

https://www.videohelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=158941&highlight=

The drive that Costco is selling is the NEC 1300A.