Instantcopy-How do you get it to burn full 4.36 onto DVD-R?

[Super Warrior]

Most of the DVD-Rs i come out with are all around 4.10GB with a few at 4.00GB.Even after manually setting the desired filesize for titles&stuff and useing F5,it does no good.

Anyone know how to get it to use up the whole disc?

[MackemX]

http://www.deano.dsl.pipex.com/backup/prediction.htm

[Super Warrior]

Hmmm i'm not sure what point that page is trying to get across there.

Although i did download the instantcopysettings tool and i'm useing their recommended settings as well as the prediction calcular.So now i'm trying that to see if it does any good.

[icemanatvcd]

Rule of thumb use size of 4.5 gb, it will come pretty close to full capacity or just under it. It is much better than reprocessing doing it allover again for 3 hours. That guide above is for full disc. If you are doing movie only, it does not help. You don't want to sit for hours and calculate, stuff that!

[MackemX]

Hmmm i'm not sure what point that page is trying to get across there.

Although i did download the instantcopysettings tool and i'm useing their recommended settings as well as the prediction calcular.So now i'm trying that to see if it does any good.

LOL , looks pretty obvious to me, it's a prediction tool for IC

that link there is to the instructions and calculator tool files you talk about in InstantcopySettings

they have taken my spreadsheet calculations and incorporated it into the settings program instead of you having to use Excel

[MackemX]

Rule of thumb use size of 4.5 gb, it will come pretty close to full capacity or just under it. It is much better than reprocessing doing it allover again for 3 hours. That guide above is for full disc. If you are doing movie only, it does not help. You don't want to sit for hours and calculate, stuff that!

there is no rule of thumb, that's a myth and I shown plenty of examples why, just the same as 4.65Gb was supposedly the rule of thumb before update and reg setting mods

the amount you add all boils down to the size of the black bars contained within the image (4:3 undersize a lot less than 1.85:1)

and that guide does actually work for movie only aswell as menu/movie/extras. It also works for 2.35:1 movies with the new version I have but only upto a certain point as anything over 75% compression is inaccurate

but I'll warn you now you should check out the true size of the video 1st using DVDToolbox or else you are just taking a chance

take a look at this example HERE and also Titanic which I just did where IC predicted the original size of the video 0.55Gb smaller than what it really was shown HERE!

as for sitting for hours, another myth, takes me 5 mins or less but saves me hours reprocessing if I just used the same figure again each time. I laugh when I hear people saying it took 3 times to get it right, it's cos they aint gotta clue what's going on, so that's why I wrote all the IC guides in my sig to show people what to look out for

but use whatever works best for you but IC is quite predictable if you know what to watch out for

then you will see why I am the Ulimate King of predicting sizes using IC 8)

[Super Warrior]

Okay now in the instantcopysettings tool i downloaded.I used the recommended setting in the tool,and then with the prediction calcular.I set the custom size of the DVD according to it.

Like i wanted at least a filesize of 4.34 and the prediction calculator told me to set the custom size to 4.38. I did that and it did'nt work. Whats going on?

[icemanatvcd]

Mackem, Maybe I did not read your guide properly. I like to do movie only for better movie quality only with english stream. Here are my questions for you since you are the "king" of size:

If my movie is over the DVD-R limit, how do I rerun to correct the size? Please keep it simple and don't point me to your link to the guide because I have already read that!

It appears using your method you would need to leave out some extras you don't want. I am doing movie only, so I can not leave anything out!

Thank you.

[MackemX]

you can't do it

that's why in the other guide, the sizing calculator I have said to keep your risk factor low cos you cannot correct an oversize without running the whole process again

did you use the calculator?

[MackemX]

Okay now in the instantcopysettings tool i downloaded.I used the recommended setting in the tool,and then with the prediction calcular.I set the custom size of the DVD according to it.

Like i wanted at least a filesize of 4.34 and the prediction calculator told me to set the custom size to 4.38. I did that and it did'nt work. Whats going on?

didn't work in what way?

was that with a 4:3(fullscreen) DVD?

you need to oversize to correct IC's undersizing

normally you set it to 4.40Gb for a 4:3 DVD and around 4.5Gb for a 1.85:1 format DVD

but cos you want 4.34 it has told you to set it to 4.38Gb

[icemanatvcd]

Thanks for your help MackemX. I have not tried your calculator. Where do I find this:

Does it work with all formats:
1.85:1
4:4
2.35:1

I will be happy to try it!

Thank you.

[MackemX]

Thanks for your help MackemX. I have not tried your calculator. Where do I find this:

Does it work with all formats:
1.85:1
4:4
2.35:1

I will be happy to try it!

Thank you.

LOL

the link is on the main page

direct link

if you download the InstantCopySettings tool it's now incorporated into there also

the only thing it won't work for is 2.35:1 & letterbox as these totally depend on original size of the video and actually need a little more oversizing to get better sizes

I can't really create a spreadsheet cos after a certain point (around 75%) any % you use will result in roughly the same resulting size right upto 99.90% as I showed elsewhere on the site

[icemanatvcd]

I am at sea with calculator. What fields am i suppose to fill. There are no notes or insturctions. There are already some figures in this spreadsheet.

[MackemX]

you see the 3 figures?

3.20, 200, 200

these are the predicted video sizes that IC shows

Title 1 - 3.20GB (16:9)
Title 2 - 200MB (16:9)
Title 3 - 200MB (4:3)

so they have been put in the relevant cells for the calculations. The link actually does have basic instructions and the spreadsheet also has comments with basic instructions also

the real crap thing about using IC figures is that IC reports the original video sizes incorrectly, so this has an effect on the predicted video size
so this is why it will not work for most users anyway cos most don't check the original size

I do and adjust figures accordingly and it works just fine, but I cannot force people to do the same few checks that I do with DVDToolbox yet they'lll still come back and whinge that the spreadsheet doesn't work

believe me it does but only if you use the correct predicted video size and hunt out any missing MB's

an overblown example:

you have a 7Gb of video-only set to 50%, IC will report as 3.5Gb predicted but if the video is actually 6Gb (DVDToolbox) you will end up with 3Gb

the worst example I have recently seen was with Titantic where IC reported the main movie video-only as 5.75Gb when it was actually 6.299Gb reported by DVDToolbox! (0.55Gb out!) and if I never compensated in the 1st place I would have ended up with a file around 0.3Gb smaller

the same sizing error happened with the resulting files, IC reported 3.67Gb when in fact it was 3.79Gb

seems a lot to ask for 5 mins checking for some people but for me personally well worth it 8)

stoooopid really but I have informed Pinnacle about this HERE in the 2nd post and the info has been passed onto the programming guys so we've just gotta wait and see if they fix it along with the othere stuff I've sent them

so you can see why people will get mixed results even using the spreadsheet

so short of me doing it for you all I can say is try your best and the more you put in the more you get out

[icemanatvcd]

Thank you MackemX for such a detailed run down on IC7 Sizing. I am starting to belive that you might be correct in calling yourslef the king of predicting sizing for IC7. Let me summarise what I understand and please correct me if I am incorrect.

1. Using your overblown example If I am only doing movie only and there is only one track and it is a 16:9 with blackbars. I would only need to put one figure of 3.50 in at E6 (Second Table, First Coulmn and 3rd Row)? This gives a figure of 4.532, so I will set the size in IC7 to 4.532?

2. Continue on your second example, if there is discrepancy as you stated of say 1GB in the actual size, I just increase the IC7 setting to 4.532+.50gb = 5.032, correct so far? What would the size be for argument and calculation sake if the video is set to 75%, rest remain the same?

3. You said that it does not predict the size for 2.31:1 movies. As most new movies are on this format how do you predict the size for these movies? Do you use a rough guideline say it is more or less than 1.85:1 or 4:4? Any suggestions?

Thank you. I look forward to hearing your comments.

[MackemX]

1. Using your overblown example If I am only doing movie only and there is only one track and it is a 16:9 with blackbars. I would only need to put one figure of 3.50 in at E6 (Second Table, First Coulmn and 3rd Row)? This gives a figure of 4.532, so I will set the size in IC7 to 4.532?

that's exactly right

2. Continue on your second example, if there is discrepancy as you stated of say 1GB in the actual size, I just increase the IC7 setting to 4.532+.50gb = 5.032, correct so far? What would the size be for argument and calculation sake if the video is set to 75%, rest remain the same?

I am yet to fully understand the exact amount as most DVD's are within a few MB's anyway so have little effect but some are upto 50MB's out

e.g If IC was 0.50Gb under and it was set to 75% I would add 75% of 0.50GB which is 0.375Gb to the table and that will again be compensated for undersizing, if IC was 0.50Gb over I would enter -0.375 into the table

3. You said that it does not predict the size for 2.31:1 movies. As most new movies are on this format how do you predict the size for these movies? Do you use a rough guideline say it is more or less than 1.85:1 or 4:4? Any suggestions?

IC suffers greatly from 2.35:1 undersizing and it's better you use DVDShrink as they actually produce better quality than IC after a certain point

In my example of Titantic I set it to 70% (4.75Gb) and it came out at 60% which is just abnormal to say the least

it's definetley more, but depends a lot on the compression ratio

enter the predicted size twice may help cos the black bars are twice the size of the 1.85:1 bars anyway

so you would enter 3.5 & 3.5 or just put 7Gb

[icemanatvcd]

Thank you MackemX. I have no more questions on size! That explains everything, at this moment anyway!

[Super Warrior]

Eh i gave up on the blundering instantcopy,i've wasted too many dvds already with that POS.If the program was worth a crap at all you would'nt have to do any prediction BS to begin with.

And it takes so long to process everything,what happens if you screw up on the stupid calculations? Do you really want to spend 12 hours to get each DVD right? Screw that.

I've bought DVD2One recently and its a much more solid program.Not only is it much faster and can copy the whole disc now,but it also uses up the full 4.36 size everytime.

[MackemX]

Eh i gave up on the blundering instantcopy,i've wasted too many dvds already with that POS.If the program was worth a crap at all you would'nt have to do any prediction BS to begin with.

And it takes so long to process everything,what happens if you screw up on the stupid calculations? Do you really want to spend 12 hours to get each DVD right? Screw that.

I've bought DVD2One recently and its a much more solid program.Not only is it much faster and can copy the whole disc now,but it also uses up the full 4.36 size everytime.

12 hours??!??! I spend about 5-10 mins setting it up and go do something else instead of staring at the progress bar for 1-2 hours and cos I get it right first time that's it 8)

I can't understand how people think it's so hard, once you know how it work's it's simple

I can guarantee if you got the same results as I do with the minimum of fuss you would use it, but sometimes it's just to much to ask from some people who like the ease of the BIG RED BUTTON

as for buying DVD2One, it's a shame cos DVDShrink does all that DVD2One does and a little more for Free but you may have bought it before DVDShrink was released unfortunately

just wait till Pinnacle do sort out the sizing issue and see how many people use it after that

ultimately the choice is upto the user and whatever works best for them but one thing is for sure, IC is not a POS if you know how to use it to it's true potential

p.s. what's happened to
"Instantcopy superior....DVD2One inferior.
I love instantcopy! "

[Super Warrior]

12 hours??!??! I spend about 5-10 mins setting it up and go do something else instead of staring at the progress bar for 1-2 hours and cos I get it right first time that's it 8)

Yes 12 hours is near accurate.As each time instantcopy processed a DVD,it took at least 3-4 hours.If i was trying to figure out this prediction crap,it would take forever.

Sorry i just don't have the patience for that.

I can't understand how people think it's so hard, once you know how it work's it's simple

I can guarantee if you got the same results as I do with the minimum of fuss you would use it, but sometimes it's just to much to ask from some people who like the ease of the BIG RED BUTTON

Ofcoarse i would use it,if it auctually did what it was supposed to do.I used to be an IC loyalist,until i recently heard about its problems.And checked to find that many of my of my own DVDs were screwed.

Most were only around 4.10GB with a some even lower like 3.75GB.Thats about 600 MBs that Instantcopy wasted.

as for buying DVD2One, it's a shame cos DVDShrink does all that DVD2One does and a little more for Free but you may have bought it before DVDShrink was released unfortunately

Auctually i bought it recently.And yes i knew about DVDshrink,although i've never used it before.

just wait till Pinnacle do sort out the sizing issue and see how many people use it after that

I agree and i may be one of them.But for now i just don't have the patience to mess with instantcopy and trick it into doing its job right.

ultimately the choice is upto the user and whatever works best for them but one thing is for sure, IC is not a POS if you know how to use it to it's true potential

Funny that what you call Instantcopy's true potential,is something that it SHOULD have been able to do from the begining.I don't understand how in the hell pinnacle could release that thing into the market with such a HUGE flaw.

[MackemX]

it's a shame you haven't got the patience to do it cos 12 hors is totally uneccessary amd how long does it take to fill in a few numbers and figure it out?

I take it you never saw my guide on how to make your 2ns run as little as 10 mins HERE to correct the sizing

I could discuss this all day, but I guess your mind is made up cos you like the simple options but I'm sure if you got the results I got you would never use DVD2One or would've used IC along with DVD95Copy for even better results

and apparently the sizing fix is on the way very soon anyway

Pinnacle just didn't reailse that black bars would affect the sizing that's all, cos apart from that the sizing is quite accurate and that's why I use the simple calculator to give me an estimated size and its worked just fine for me but I guess I can't convert you back

I would also give DVDShrink a try cos you can reduce the extras more than the main movie and also remove audio from the extras, both of which you cannot do in DVD2One so the main movie quality suffers greatly when compared to DVDShrink

you could even use IC and DVDShrink just the same way I use IC & DVD95Copy, there are just so many options to backup your DVD and in the end it's all down to the effort you wanna give and the quality you want out ot that determines your method

[Super Warrior]

it's a shame you haven't got the patience to do it cos 12 hors is totally uneccessary amd how long does it take to fill in a few numbers and figure it out?

I take it you never saw my guide on how to make your 2ns run as little as 10 mins HERE to correct the sizing

I could discuss this all day, but I guess your mind is made up cos you like the simple options

Yes i want something that is simple and work like it should.

but I'm sure if you got the results I got you would never use DVD2One or would've used IC along with DVD95Copy for even better results

Yes i'd still be useing Instantcopy if it had worked like it should.But it does not.

and apparently the sizing fix is on the way very soon anyway

Cool.I might check it out.Assuming i don't sell instantcopy away by then.

Pinnacle just didn't reailse that black bars would affect the sizing that's all,

What do you mean by black bars?

cos apart from that the sizing is quite accurate and that's why I use the simple calculator to give me an estimated size and its worked just fine for me but I guess I can't convert you back

Perhaps if instantcopy did'nt take so friggin' long to do its thing.Then i might attempt to figure the prediction stuff out.But as it is instantcopy takes over 3 hours to finish up the whole process,making testing a real pain.I just don't have the patience for that crap.

I would also give DVDShrink a try cos you can reduce the extras more than the main movie and also remove audio from the extras, both of which you cannot do in DVD2One so the main movie quality suffers greatly when compared to DVDShrink.

Yeah i understand that.Although not every DVD contains a ton of extras and most anime DVDs that i'm into do not.So DVD2one works great for now.

you could even use IC and DVDShrink just the same way I use IC & DVD95Copy, there are just so many options to backup your DVD and in the end it's all down to the effort you wanna give and the quality you want out ot that determines your method

Yeah i downloaded dvdshrink but did'nt look at it much yet.

[MackemX]

If you ever get the time I suggest you check out my guide in the sig cos you seem to be missing a few things regarding IC's do's and dont's

I've shown here why IC undersizes HERE but there are also other things to watch out for

[Bob W]

I solved the Instant Copy file size problem buy installing DVD2one.

[jbenj01]

MackemX,

I'm backing up X-Files season 3, disc 4 and this seems to be an odd creature.. firstly, Decrypter can't seem to rip this baby. but that's another subject..

I read your guide re: the Simpsons.. but it seems I have to adjust the slider size bar for EACH of the 4 episodes, correct?? I've done 2 runs without success--IC gave me an error about "can't find file" or something like that when it was right around 98% done--probably b/c i oversized it too much.. ??

After ripping to hdd, the total size of X-Files is 7.2G .. I'll let you do the rest.. Please advise---here or via PM. Thanks!

[MackemX]

nice easy solution, but basically the quality sucks in my eyes and I would rather use DVD95Copy anyway cos that's better for 1:1 than DVD2One by far. In fact so is DVDShrink and that's free but IC is the King of quality regarding these 4

...before you judge look at the overall cost, features, the amount of user input required and the quality of the results...

"In the end it's a matter of individual perception and the level of quality delivered by the playback system"


freedom of choice, ain't it wonderful

[Super Warrior]

If you ever get the time I suggest you check out my guide in the sig cos you seem to be missing a few things regarding IC's do's and dont's

I've shown here why IC undersizes HERE but there are also other things to watch out for

On the link you posted saying why IC undersizes,you mention black bars as in the ones on Widescreen movies to be the main problem.I disagree,full screen DVDs are probabley effected just as much.I know this because the only DVDs i've ever used with instantcopy were full screen and i still got the same bad undersizeing result.

There are no black bars present on full screen DVDs,so how do you explain that?

[MackemX]

the black bars are sometimes present in 4:3 but ever so slightly on the left and right not top and bottom

this normally affect the undersizing by around 1% of the predicted size depending on your registry settings

did you not see the GUIDE that has my very simple spreadsheet on it, it has even been implented into instantcopysettings

it has a 4:3 table that will tell you roughly what to set IC to, but you must check that IC is showing the true size of the video as I have shown above

have you changed your registry settings?, if you ain't I suggest you do to the ones shown in the guide

I know IC inside now and have even given Pinnacle my own DVD's I created to simulate error's due to them denying copyrighted DVD support so they can hopefully fix some issues (HERE & HERE)

I have no problems whatsoever with sizing cos I know howto compensate but I do have problems trying to pass on my knowledge in posts so that's why I created the site to show people what to look out for and why

It's there to view, feel free and I'll try to help any way I can if anything is still puzzling

icemanatvcd has got the basics by the looks of things and will hopefully build on that knowledge and enjoy the same success as I do

once you learn you never forget

[Super Warrior]

nice easy solution, but basically the quality sucks in my eyes and I would rather use DVD95Copy anyway cos that's better for 1:1 than DVD2One by far. In fact so is DVDShrink and that's free but IC is the King of quality regarding these 4

I think you greatly underrate DVD2one's abilites.

I just got done backing up a 8 GB DVD with DVD2one(conan movie/widescreen) just as a test to see what it would look like.And even with all the many extras and audio stuff,the quality of the main movie was still pretty good.It was'ent perfect DVD quality obviously,but it was definitly better than SVCD.As the picture was still clear and there was no noise or pixelation of any kind.Pretty nice considering all the other stuff it had to mess with.

You don't give DVD2one enough credit.

[MackemX]

how can I give it credit ?

an example of why it is inferior to the other 3 tools in my eyes

compressing a 7Gb into 4.37GB if I did a complete 1:1 that has 1Gb of audio whch has 2 streams, 5.1 and stereo

firstly I cannot remove any audio from the main title cos it will remove the audio from the rest of DVD extras also leaving them soundless

so that means that 6GB of video is going to be compressed to fit into 3.37Gb

the main title is 4.5Gb of that 7Gb total, leaving 1.5Gb of extras video

so DVD2One will reduce all the video to 56.16% of the original to make it fit

now this is where IC,DVD95Copy and DVDShrink are far superior as they offer more than just uniform audio removal and video reduction

firstly I can save another 0.25Gb by removing the soundtrack from the main title individually leaving the extras complete so that means I need to fit 6Gb of video into 3.62Gb or a uniform compression rate of 60.33%, so that's already 4.17% more just because if the separate audio removal that DVD2One does not offer

I can also set the 1.5Gb of extras video to say 45% so that means I need 0.68Gb for the extras video

so the audio of 0.75GB plus the 0.68Gb for the extras video needs to be reserved from 4.37Gb, the total being 1.43 leaving 2.94Gb for the main title video

so I have 2.94Gb of space to fit the 4.5Gb of main title video into, or a compression rate of 65.33%

so that value of 65.33% is almost 10% more than the DVD2One value of 56.16% and believe me there is a big difference in quality at those differences in compression whether you claim to see it or not and all because I have the ability to distribute the space any way I want

by you saying that there is no noise and pixelation means to me that, as long as you have a good set of eyes, that your system is the one that is not showing the true difference of quality and giving misleading picture

I just wish I could show you the picture I see on my setup and then you will agree there is a difference and I bet you would use one of the others when you did see it

Again it all boils down to what I quote in my signature regarding quality but even more so when the compression rate is not as high

most DVD backups will be better than SVCD using DVD2One, but we are talking about DVD backups here not SVCD's on CD's

I would like to think you now agree with the issue since I have explained it in this way

if not then that is your decision and you are entitled to it, but I do hope you see why I don't give credit to DVD2One regarding anything but it's speed because of it's limitations in use and the inferior quality for the main movie because of this

agreed it was the first tool out to offer such ease, but it's been overtaken since then by the features included in the other tools and has no appeal to me at all

we could discuss this all day but it won't change my view cos I feel it is justified