Instantcopy-How do you get it to burn full 4.36 onto DVD-R?

[Super Warrior]

so DVD2One will reduce all the video to 56.16% of the original to make it fit

Assuming that is how it was for the DVD i just did.Lets say that the video quality was around 8000k/s,as many such DVDs are like LOTR.

If that was lowered to about 50% of its quality like you say,it would be then be around 4000k/s.Which would be still pretty good picture quality.

by you saying that there is no noise and pixelation means to me that, as long as you have a good set of eyes, that your system is the one that is not showing the true difference of quality and giving misleading picture

Nope.Believe me i know bad video quality,pixelation and noise when i see it.For a year or two a while back i was into making VCD/SVCDs a lot and even owned a terapin recorder.And the video i viewed on the dvd i just did,was far better than anything i used to do back then,with no noise or pixelation.

Also i watch my movies on a 25" tv in case your wondering,as i know the TV size can sometimes effect the picture.But i don't believe that is the case.It's also the same TV i've been watching VCDs on for years as well.

I would like to think you now agree with the issue since I have explained it in this way

Auctually most of the stuff you explained about,was all about the features the other programs have and how they can be used.And i'm not disputeing the fact that those other programs are much more feature packed than DVD2one.

I was simply saying that you did'nt give DVD2one's picture quality enough credit.As it is not nearly as horrid as you say.

[MackemX]

Assuming that is how it was for the DVD i just did.Lets say that the video quality was around 8000k/s,as many such DVDs are like LOTR.

If that was lowered to about 50% of its quality like you say,it would be then be around 4000k/s.Which would be still pretty good picture quality..

what are you talking about, LOTR 8000k/s average and reduced at 4000k/s

a video bitrate of 4000k/s and one 5.1 audio of 448k/s the longest video you could get on a DVD is just under 140 minutes and that's just a movie only with no menu's, no extras and no subs! , so I dunno where you got that 4000k/s from regarding LOTR cos its a lot longer than 140mins so there is no way on earth that would fit on a DVD at 4000k/s, 3000k/s is more realistic for LOTR and that again would only be movie only aswell with a 5.1 soundtrack so with extras and menus it would be even less! and the quality loss would show greatly

Nope.Believe me i know bad video quality,pixelation and noise when i see it.For a year or two a while back i was into making VCD/SVCDs a lot and even owned a terapin recorder.And the video i viewed on the dvd i just did,was far better than anything i used to do back then,with no noise or pixelation.

Also i watch my movies on a 25" tv in case your wondering,as i know the TV size can sometimes effect the picture.But i don't believe that is the case.It's also the same TV i've been watching VCDs on for years as well..

I bet you think VCD's are good quality and if your TV's years old I have serious doubts on the quality of the image it can produce even with an original

Auctually most of the stuff you explained about,was all about the features the other programs have and how they can be used.And i'm not disputeing the fact that those other programs are much more feature packed than DVD2one.

I was simply saying that you did'nt give DVD2one's picture quality enough credit.As it is not nearly as horrid as you say.

50% compression using DVD2One hits the quality badly and I am shocked you cannot see the inferior quality when you compress to 50% cos that is one brave statement to make cos I even dispute the quality levels when compressed to 70% never mind 50% and it has been shown numerous times in comparisions

let's just say, I can see the difference on my setup and even my granny who is blind in one eye can see the obvious difference so obviously your TV is disguising the inferior quality that DVD2One produces when compared to the rest by not displaying as good an image with the original so gicing the impression that qulaity loss is minimal

as long as you are happy then fine, but that doesn't mean you can accuse me of not giving DVD2One credit just because you cannot see what I and plenty of others see because believe me it's there just as there is a difference between the colours black and white

the size of the TV has nothing to do with quality it in a major way, it's the quality of the image it displays that is a major factor in the difference of the quality between the programs

when you walk into an electrical store, are all the 28" TV's exactly the same quality?, NOPE! some are inferior and some are far superior and thus will have an effect on people's judgements if people bought different TV's yet viewed the same images

like I said we could discuss this all day but obviously I am gonna be wasting my time because I feel you cannot appreciate the true differences between the programs due to the limitations of your setup and therefore cannot make a valid comparision

you may not see noise or pixelation, but believe me you are losing the fine detail of the picture when you use DVD2One and especially at levels of 70% and below

I cannot give credit to something that in my eyes is the poorest of the 4 programs regarding features and quality, I used DVD2One when it first came out and some of my friends think it's great and the quality is brilliant, but when I show them the other progs in a comparision then they agree it is inferior

some people's standards regarding quality are higher than others and that's why my sig says what it says cos basically that is the truth and sometimes it upsets people and I hope I don't offend you by what I'm saying

[Super Warrior]

what are you talking about, LOTR 8000k/s average and reduced at 4000k/s

a video bitrate of 4000k/s and one 5.1 audio of 448k/s the longest video you could get on a DVD is just under 140 minutes and that's just a movie only with no menu's, no extras and no subs! , so I dunno where you got that 4000k/s from regarding LOTR cos its a lot longer than 140mins so there is no way on earth that would fit on a DVD at 4000k/s, 3000k/s is more realistic for LOTR and that again would only be movie only aswell with a 5.1 soundtrack so with extras and menus it would be even less! and the quality loss would show greatly

LOTR was just an example i made,I never said the example i'd given was how it would be exactly.

As for the 8000k/s picture quality in LOTR,yes i heard from several other members on here in the past,that it runs at around that bitrate.Especially during the fight scenes.

I bet you think VCD's are good quality

God no VCDs were crappy.Looking back now,i wonder why i even bothered with them.Low quality,low storage,they were lame.

and if your TV's years old I have serious doubts on the quality of the image it can produce even with an original

My Tv is a few years old,although it's not that old to where i can't judge quality properly.For one thing i still keep a few VCDs around,because they are of shows not yet on DVD.And whenever i view them the huge quality difference is quite noticable.

50% compression using DVD2One hits the quality badly and I am shocked you cannot see the inferior quality when you compress to 50% cos that is one brave statement to make cos I even dispute the quality levels when compressed to 70% never mind 50% and it has been shown numerous times in comparisions

But again your baseing that off my example of LOTR and also i never said that is how the DVD i recently did was either.

let's just say, I can see the difference on my setup and even my granny who is blind in one eye can see the obvious difference so obviously your TV is disguising the inferior quality that DVD2One produces when compared to the rest by not displaying as good an image with the original so gicing the impression that qulaity loss is minimal

I can see the difference in my setup as well when quality is indeed bad.

As for the DVD i just did,after playiing it in PowerDVD.It shows that the movie runs at about 3000k/s mostly and picks up to about 5000k/s for breif short moments during high detailed scenes like the battles.

as long as you are happy then fine, but that doesn't mean you can accuse me of not giving DVD2One credit just because you cannot see what I and plenty of others see because believe me it's there just as there is a difference between the colours black and white

I'm in no way saying that the quality is as good as those other programs.But i think that you are exaggerateing more than a little when it comes to DVD2ones quality.

the size of the TV has nothing to do with quality it in a major way, it's the quality of the image it displays that is a major factor in the difference of the quality between the programs

when you walk into an electrical store, are all the 28" TV's exactly the same quality?, NOPE! some are inferior and some are far superior and thus will have an effect on people's judgements if people bought different TV's yet viewed the same images

Auctually tv size does.I remember back in my VCD days,the size of the tv mattered.Same thing when playing it back on your pc useing small and large display sizes.On small media screen sizes VCD will look pretty good.But when played on anything larger,you see how lacking in detail and quality it really is.Where as dvd stuff looks great no matter what the size.

Anyhow i was just saying how my TV is not small or anything in case you wondered.As any VCD/SVCD person on here will tell you that TV size matters.

This is indeed relevent to the current debate by the way,since you act as if DVD2one's picture is as horrid as VCD is.

like I said we could discuss this all day but obviously I am gonna be wasting my time because I feel you cannot appreciate the true differences between the programs due to the limitations of your setup and therefore cannot make a valid comparision

Auctually as i've stated earlier,i've never used any of the other programs.

The only programs i've used so far is DVD2one and Instantcopy.And i don't count instantcopy because the damn thing never utilized the full storage of any of the DVDs i made with it.

you may not see noise or pixelation, but believe me you are losing the fine detail of the picture when you use DVD2One and especially at levels of 70% and below

Yes i'm aware the dvd i did is not perfect DVD quality.But it is still better than VCD/SVCD,with no noise or pixelation.Which i consider to be pretty good,since it was 8GB squeezed into 4.36 afterall.

I cannot give credit to something that in my eyes is the poorest of the 4 programs regarding features and quality, I used DVD2One when it first came out and some of my friends think it's great and the quality is brilliant, but when I show them the other progs in a comparision then they agree it is inferior

DVD2one's quality only suffers because it does'ent yet allow customizing of the titles.Although if it did,than the 8GB dvd i did earlier would've looked even better.As i could've downsized all the extras to save extra space for quality of the main movie.

some people's standards regarding quality are higher than others and that's why my sig says what it says cos basically that is the truth and sometimes it upsets people and I hope I don't offend you by what I'm saying

I agree about the standards thing.However i believe i've viewed plenty enough VCDs in my time to know what truely bad quality is.And i've viewed enough DVDs to know what good quality looks like.I have a real particular eye for quality as well.

[MackemX]

LOTR was just an example i made,I never said the example i'd given was how it would be exactly.

As for the 8000k/s picture quality in LOTR,yes i heard from several other members on here in the past,that it runs at around that bitrate.Especially during the fight scenes.

AH, it's all starting to fall into place, cos you are talking about peak bitrates and not average bitrates

I'm in no way saying that the quality is as good as those other programs.But i think that you are exaggerateing more than a little when it comes to DVD2ones quality.

I'm not exaggerating in any way

Auctually tv size does.I remember back in my VCD days,the size of the tv mattered.Same thing when playing it back on your pc useing small and large display sizes.On small media screen sizes VCD will look pretty good.But when played on anything larger,you see how lacking in detail and quality it really is.Where as dvd stuff looks great no matter what the size.

Anyhow i was just saying how my TV is not small or anything in case you wondered.As any VCD/SVCD person on here will tell you that TV size matters

This is indeed relevent to the current debate by the way,since you act as if DVD2one's picture is as horrid as VCD is..

again, you are wrong and again we are talking about DVD's not VCD's/SVCD's and where have I said that DVD2One is worse than VCD/SVCD's?!?!?!??!??!. If I say DVD2One quality sucks then VCD/SVCD quality sucks big time. Yes it is very watchable and good quality but compared to a DVD it sucks!

Auctually as i've stated earlier,i've never used any of the other programs.
The only programs i've used so far is DVD2one and Instantcopy.And i don't count instantcopy because the damn thing never utilized the full storage of any of the DVDs i made with it.

that my friend says it all!
how can you disagree with my opinion when you have not fully tried all the programs and seen the 'true' capabilities of each. No the wonder you are in disagreement with me

Yes i'm aware the dvd i did is not perfect DVD quality.But it is still better than VCD/SVCD,with no noise or pixelation.Which i consider to be pretty good,since it was 8GB squeezed into 4.36 afterall.

again you are mentioneing VCD/SVCD, all these programs look good when comparing them to VCD/SVCD , that's like comparing a Ford(VCD) to a BMW(DVD2One), but as of yet, you are to drive the Ferrari(IC) at full speed of the DVD Backup world (CCE is the ultimate of course )

DVD2one's quality only suffers because it does'ent yet allow customizing of the titles.Although if it did,than the 8GB dvd i did earlier would've looked even better.As i could've downsized all the extras to save extra space for quality of the main movie

Hooray, now the truth is coming out, of course it suffers and that's my whole point!, why use an inferior product when the other 3 CAN reduce the extras individually thus resulting in better quality when compared to DVD2One??!??!?. It's engine gives roughly the same quality as DVDShrink & DVD95Copy if used for a movie-only but because of it's very limited options for a 1:1 backup, it suffers on the main movie

I agree about the standards thing.However i believe i've viewed plenty enough VCDs in my time to know what truely bad quality is.And i've viewed enough DVDs to know what good quality looks like.I have a real particular eye for quality as well.

again with the VCD's . Any DVD backup will look good when compared to a VCD, again you are comparing 2 completely different things, try the other programs properly and compare those against DVD2One and prepare to be shocked when you see which gives the worst movie quality but now it is all starting to fall into place as to why you are in such disagreement but what is puzzling how you state you have an eye for quality yet cannot see the drop in quality when you compress heavily using DVD2One?

I'm sorry my friend but I do not want this to turn into a flame war and upset you because of you limited opinions being fifferent to mine, but I feel I am banging my head against a brick wall here as how can I discuss this issue fairly with you when you have not tried the programs fully?. You even state that IC is a POS , which is completely wrong cos the only thing wrong with IC is the fact the sizing is incorrect but there is a reason behimd that which is easily overcome if you know what you are doing. You do not seem to be able to overcome it but does that justify your opinion that it is a POS?!??!. Nope, I don't think it does cos you can compensate for it, but how can I compensate for the inferior quality with regards to DVD2One?

so I feel all this is greatly affecting your opinion along with your VCD comparisions so how can I get the point across to you that DVD2One has nothing to offer at the moment but speed when compared to the other 3?

[Super Warrior]

again, you are wrong and again we are talking about DVD's not VCD's/SVCD's and where have I said that DVD2One is worse than VCD/SVCD's?!?!?!??!??!. If I say DVD2One quality sucks then VCD/SVCD quality sucks big time. Yes it is very watchable and good quality but compared to a DVD it sucks!

Well sorry but whenever you say DVD2one's quality is horrid,i'm thinking that you mean its around the level of VCD.

I don't know about you,but whenever someone mentions crap quality video.I can't help but imagine it as being VCD quality as that is my opinion of crappy video.

that my friend says it all!
how can you disagree with my opinion when you have not fully tried all the programs and seen the 'true' capabilities of each. No the wonder you are in disagreement with me

Auctually the only thing i've been disagreeing with you on,is your opinion of DVD2one's picture quality.I admit it's most likely not as perfect as the quality of those other programs,but it is still not quite as god awful as you make it out to be either.

Thats all i've been saying here.DVD2one is'nt perfect but it is not THAT bad.

how can I discuss this issue fairly with you when you have not tried the programs fully?. You even state that IC is a POS , which is completely wrong cos the only thing wrong with IC is the fact the sizing is incorrect

Exactly which is why i no longer use the thing anymore.

You do not seem to be able to overcome it but does that justify your opinion that it is a POS?!??!.

Yes because it cannot do what it is SUPPOSED to do.

[MackemX]

right, forget VCD's cos this is the DVD forum

go back and check out what I actually said

nice easy solution, but basically the quality sucks in my eyes and I would rather use DVD95Copy anyway cos that's better for 1:1 than DVD2One by far. In fact so is DVDShrink and that's free but IC is the King of quality regarding these 4

now when I said DVD2One quality sucks, this is in relation to the the other 3 programs

sucks means ain't the best quality, as in it's the bottom of the pile, not as in the quality is actually abismal, it's just the quality is inferior to the rest so basically it sucks although it's still very much watchable in most people's eyes

I suggest you get hold of DVDShrink which is free and try it, and also if you can get hold of DVD95Copy's free trial and have a try of that also and then you will agree that because of the extra feature of being able to disperse the compression you benefit from a higher quality movie

If not then your viewing setup is limiting that difference so no matter how good your eye is for quality if your setup is affecting your opinion then you will assume they are the same which I can easily understand your defence. I've got Sony's 100hz DRC technology on my main 36" CRT TV and it shows the differences a lot more than my friend's setup with a bigger TV, so that's why I say size isn't an issue but more the quality of the image produced by the equipment used. I'm actually using the TV now with 1024x768 resolution on my computer typing this and the pic is that crystal clear I can read the smallest of text, now try doing that on a normal TV, but it just goes to show how high defintion a picture I can see on my setup. It ain;t the biggest of TV's or the most expensive but I spent a while researching as I like quality components and the biggest or expensive stuff ain't neccesarily the best

If IC is no good for you then fine, but it is possible to get very good results from it and even though the quality still sucks slightly when compared to the original on some occasions, it sucks less than the others, CCE is the least suckiest of them all

but don't assume that I am comparing them to VCD's in any way at all cos I am talking about DVD backups and also realise that some people may see a greater difference due to their setups, so is this not a valid opinion?

I am 100% sure if you came round for a beer one night and I showed you exactly why I say what I'm saying on my setup then you would understand my point and agree with it just as all my friends and family have because I always like to hear their opinions also so I ask them which they think is the best without telling them which is which and it's always the same order they prefer

the more you go on about it, the more I am tempted to show examples of the differences but that also may be a waste of time as sometimes even people's monitors can affect their opinions in exactly the same way

just because people can't see a difference doesn't mean it's not there cos it is and that's why you get people like me who do make such statements cos we can see it not because we are lying

all I can suggest is you get hold of the other 2 and give them a try and then tell me what you think about DVD2One. If you see a good enough picture on your setup then I would like to think you will then agree that DVD2One quality is inferior when compared to the rest when doing a 1:1 backup. The more you try to fit into 4.37Gb the more you will see it and when compared to the rest it will suck

bottom line is if your happy then fine, but don't take it personally if someone states that they think the quality sucks regarding the same app that you are using cos they may be saying it for a valid reason

p.s. as for IC, most of the people I have seen complain about it are the ones who cannot seem to get 4.37Gb

[rhegedus]

Someone on this forum has gone to the effort of doing a full copy of Gladiator with DVD2ONE and IC and posted screen captures of various scenes, but I can't seem to find it! Anyway, I think the pictures should iron out any differences of opinion here.

Regards,

Rob

[MackemX]

this one?
http://www.mrbass.org/instantcopy/gladeheateher.zip

from this thread HERE

the thread where Star Warrior said this? (the guy who is accusing me of comparing DVD2One's quality to VCD). So what does inferior mean??, it sucks . It's only the sizing issue that has changed which tool he uses but obviously he has seen the 'true' difference previously to say such a thing

Hehe more like the Pre-InstantCopy days.

InstantCopy Superior....DVD2One Inferior

like I said even people's computer setups can greatly affect their opinions with still shot comparisions so that's why I didn't link it before but I thought I may aswell to try and kill off this thread

LOL even my Star Wars AOTC link is still there, feel free to have a look cos there are 70 frames side by side but use 32 bit colour and 1280x1024 res to see a better diff. If you can't see it then it's your graphics card and monitor that are limiting the difference

Comparing IC with DVD2One when trying to keep menus etc

I took Star Wars AOTC and ran it thru IC & DVD2One and made both resulting files 3.43Gb from an original of 5.51Gb

I have then sampled 70 frames and cut the middle 50% out and placed both side by side for direct comparision

I'll let you decide which one is which

I've started this link at frame 15 as I think that's where some difference is more apparent between the 2, as some frames are nearly identical

http://www.deano.dsl.pipex.com/frames/15.htm

this frame below shows a big difference in quality
http://www.deano.dsl.pipex.com/frames/35.htm

[rhegedus]

this one?
http://www.mrbass.org/instantcopy/gladeheateher.zip

from this thread HERE

No, not those.

like I said even people's computer setups can greatly affect their opinions with still shot comparisions so that's why I didn't link it before but I thought I may aswell to try and kill off this thread

LOL even my Star Wars AOTC link is still there, feel free to have a look cos there are 70 frames side by side but use 32 bit colour and 1280x1024 res to see a better diff. If you can't see it then it's your graphics card and monitor that are limiting the difference

Maybe I need to install an 'eye of faith'.

Regards,

Rob

[Super Warrior]

right, forget VCD's cos this is the DVD forum

go back and check out what I auctually said.

You could do the same.

but don't assume that I am comparing them to VCD's in any way at all cos I am talking about DVD backups

I never said you were talking about VCDs.I just said that VCD is what i imagine when others talk about crap quality in programs.

bottom line is if your happy then fine, but don't take it personally if someone states that they think the quality sucks regarding the same app

I don't take it personally.

p.s. as for IC, most of the people I have seen complain about it are the ones who cannot seem to get 4.37Gb

Well duh,can you blame them? Thats a huge problem with the program.

[Super Warrior]

this one?
http://www.mrbass.org/instantcopy/gladeheateher.zip

from this thread HERE

the thread where Star Warrior said this?

Yeah i said that back when i used to think Instant copy auctually worked properly.If only i had known back then that the program was only working halfassed and screwing up everytime

(the guy who is accusing me of comparing DVD2One's quality to VCD).

I never accused you of that.

It's only the sizing issue that has changed which tool he uses

Yes it's only the sizeing issue.It does'ent matter how good IC is,if the thing refuses to use up all the disc space available.

Right now it is'nt worth crap,until the guys at pinnacle fix the problem.

[MackemX]

right, forget VCD's cos this is the DVD forum

go back and check out what I auctually said.

You could do the same.

right OK I will, and here's what I said with the key words highlighted

nice easy solution, but basically the quality sucks(poorer quality) in my eyes and I would rather use(not use DVD2One) DVD95Copy anyway cos that's better(better quality) for 1:1(complete backups) than DVD2One by far. In fact so is DVDShrink and that's free but IC is the King of quality REGARDING(just these 4 tools quality) these 4

That post when fully read, implies that when doing a 1:1, I would rather use DVD95Copy as DVD2One's quality sucks(comes last) when compared to the other 3 and that IC is the best quality. So my point asking you to read it again was to hope that you would understand it (which you still ain't) but also that nowhere at all in this post have I implied that DVD2One quality is anything like VCD/SVCD. It is yourself and yourself only that made that assumption and yet you still wish to bleat on .

I never said you were talking about VCDs.I just said that VCD is what i imagine when others talk about crap quality in programs.

again what the hell have VCD/SVCD's gotta do with this thread or in fact this forum?!?. I am talking about DVD backup tools and you are imagining VCD/SVCD quality, thats clever isn't it

I don't take it personally.

so why do you keep defending DVD2One

Well duh,can you blame them? Thats a huge problem with the program

in a way yes, cos it ain't that hard for me and others overcome, but it is for some who prefer the simpler methods for one reason or another

the simple fact is that DVD2One quality is the worst of them all when comparing 1:1 backups whether you like it or not, but what the user chooses is a different matter because not everyone judges the program they use on just one factor

IC's speed sucks! but the quality you gain for me peronally is well worth it, but the speed advantage to the quality lost is not worth it in my eyes using DVD2One, now do you get my point?

again I'll quote my complete sig from Doom9

...before you judge look at the overall cost, features, the amount of user input required and the quality of the results...

"In the end it's a matter of individual perception and the level of quality delivered by the playback system"


freedom of choice, ain't it wonderful

looking forward to your reply

[MackemX]

Yeah i said that back when i used to think Instant copy auctually worked properly.If only i had known back then that the program was only working halfassed and screwing up everytime

works fine for me 8) but can you not overcome it by oversizing?. The question for people who have both is it worth the extra fuss to get it right for the quality gained and for some it is and for some it ain't and for me it is and for you it ain't

(the guy who is accusing me of comparing DVD2One's quality to VCD).

I never accused you of that.

Rubbish, so why did you post the quote below?. You are the only one to assume that when I said DVD2One's quality sucks that I was implying it was comparable to VCD. Do you not realise what you are posting? and I quote

This is indeed relevent to the current debate by the way,since you act as if DVD2one's picture is as horrid as VCD is.

that looks like an accusation to me

It's Yes it's only the sizeing issue.It does'ent matter how good IC is,if the thing refuses to use up all the disc space available.

Right now it is'nt worth crap,until the guys at pinnacle fix the problem.

my friend, judging from your posts it seems you have great difficulty when using IC, but believe me once you know how to get the best out of it(and it ain't that hard) you would not use DVD2One. I even use DVDToolbox and then IC if I want a movie only cos the bottom line regarding the speed issue for me is the amount of time sitting at the PC and not the time spent watching the progress bar. I can still use my PC or go do something else and not even worry about IC working away in th ebackground

it could take 6 hours to process the DVD but as long as it only takes me 5-10 mins to setup I ain't complaining cos to me that's all the speed difference is, about 5 minutes extra!

you made the wrong choice buying DVD2One, if you were gonna buy anything you shudda bought DVD95Copy (better features and development) cos then you could use IC just for the main movie and DVD95Copy for the menu/extras and get 4.37Gb. In fact you could do that with DVDShrink now for free if you just use that instead of DVD95Copy to shrink menu/extras

no one tool can beat the quality of the hybrid method regarding these 4 tools

[Super Warrior]

that nowhere at all in this post have I implied that DVD2One quality is anything like VCD/SVCD. It is yourself and yourself only that made that assumption and yet you still wish to bleat on

If you had auctually read my posts and not skimmed over them.You'd have seen that i already covered that.

again what the hell have VCD/SVCD's gotta do with this thread or in fact this forum?!?. I am talking about DVD backup tools and you are imagining VCD/SVCD quality, thats clever isn't it

I've already explained that when someone mentions crap quality i think of VCD.As that is my opinion of what crap quality really is.Why is that concept so lost on you everytime i try to explain it?

Also so what if this is is the DVD forum? VCD/SVCD is are still valid terms when it comes to discribing quality lower than that of DVD.

so why do you keep defending DVD2One

Just because i defend it,does'ent mean i take what you say about it personally.

Your defending instant copy even more so than i am with dvd2one,so does that mean your taking this personally?

in a way yes, cos it ain't that hard for me and others overcome, but it is for some who prefer the simpler methods for one reason or another

If that is your cup o'tea then fine.But i along with others,do not want to have to screw around with stupid calculations everytime we go to use the thing.

the simple fact is that DVD2One quality is the worst of them all when comparing 1:1 backups whether you like it or not,

I never said DVD2one's quality was better than the other programs.

IC's speed sucks! but the quality you gain for me peronally is well worth it, but the speed advantage to the quality lost is not worth it in my eyes using DVD2One, now do you get my point?

Again had you been reading my posts and not skimming over them.You'd see the main reason why i choose DVD2one over Instantcopy is NOT the speed....

[Super Warrior]

works fine for me 8) but can you not overcome it by oversizing?.

Nope everytime i tried oversizeing it either still ended up smaller than 4.36 or bigger around 4.50.

The question for people who have both is it worth the extra fuss to get it right for the quality gained and for some it is and for some it ain't and for me it is and for you it ain't

It does'ent matter how good instant copy is if the thing refuses to use up the whole disc,and leaves a good 300-500MB wasted everytime.

Rubbish, so why did you post the quote below?. You are the only one to assume that when I said DVD2One's quality sucks that I was implying it was comparable to VCD.

Again i've already covered that in past posts.Go back and read them.

my friend, judging from your posts it seems you have great difficulty when using IC, but believe me once you know how to get the best out of it(and it ain't that hard) you would not use DVD2One.

Ofcoarse i would not use DVD2one if instant copy auctually worked like it should.But it does not,so its not worth messing with for the time being.

I can still use my PC or go do something else and not even worry about IC working away in th ebackground

Auctually thats another problem i experienced with instantcopy.It seems the program can't handle it if i try to do other things while it is running.Whenever i have done so in the past the resulting DVD almost always had a few unplayable tracks in the end.

Whereas dvds created with it play fine all the way through as long as i leave my pc undisturbed while instant copy is running.

you made the wrong choice buying DVD2One, if you were gonna buy anything you shudda bought DVD95Copy (better features and development)

Yes but DVD2one is still a reliable program even though it may not be the best.And it'll get better with future updates.DVD2one also works very well for backing up dvds containing very few extras.

As for DVD95copy,perhaps i'll look into it later.It sure sounds better than the blundering instant copy.

[MackemX]

If you had auctually read my posts and not skimmed over them.You'd have seen that i already covered that.

I know that but the word VCD still appears in your posts and believe me I read your posts fully

I've already explained that when someone mentions crap quality i think of VCD.As that is my opinion of what crap quality really is.Why is that concept so lost on you everytime i try to explain it?

ok no more VCD talk

Also so what if this is is the DVD forum? VCD/SVCD is are still valid terms when it comes to discribing quality lower than that of DVD.

yes they are valid but not in this thread cos you were the one that wrongly assumed that I was saying DVD2One produced the quality on the levels of VCD's

Just because i defend it,does'ent mean i take what you say about it personally.

Your defending instant copy even more so than i am with dvd2one,so does that mean your taking this personally?

all I am defending is my opinion I made of DVD2One's quality cos it was questioned by yourself (wrongly also ), but along the way I also started saying that IC's undersizing is not as hard to overcome as some make out

If that is your cup o'tea then fine.But i along with others,do not want to have to screw around with stupid calculations everytime we go to use the thing.

they are only stupid if you ain't got the 5 mins of time or the brains to do it it, which are you?

I never said DVD2one's quality was better than the other programs.

so what are you saying? where do you place it in the 1:1 backups quality stakes regarding the 4 tools?

IC's speed sucks! but the quality you gain for me peronally is well worth it, but the speed advantage to the quality lost is not worth it in my eyes using DVD2One, now do you get my point?

Again had you been reading my posts and not skimming over them.You'd see the main reason why i choose DVD2one over Instantcopy is NOT the speed....

I do read them and you may read mine but you do not fully understand them
that's why I said do you get MY point!. That point was that DVD2One's quality sucks when compared to the other 3 so the quality I gain open quote "for me personally" close quotes is worth it in my eyes

I was not implying you choose DVD2One for the same reasons but actually stating why I used IC over DVD2One

please try and understand my posts please cos you are constantly misunderstanding them

seeing as I initially stated that DVD2One's quality sucked, do you think DVD2One gives better or worse quality (especially main movie title) than IC, DVD95Copy and DVDShrink regarding 1:1 backups

for me it's IC 1st, DVD95Copy 2nd (cos it can get 4.37Gb), DVDShrink 3rd (same if not better quality than DVD95Copy but suffers due to inability to get exactly 4.37gb) and DVD2One 4th (suffers because of inability to reduce extras more than main movie and remove audio/subs from extras independently)

if you are doing movie only again IC is the best , DVDShrink is 2nd(only if you can get 4.37GB cos it's engine is ever so slightly better, if not it's last), DVD2One is 3rd even though it's the same quality as DVD95Copy it is faster at processing (regarding 2.35:1 movies IC actually is the worst quality unless the movie is say over 2 hours 30 mins)

you can agree with that, disagree with that but please don't assume or accuse

cheers

[MackemX]

works fine for me 8) but can you not overcome it by oversizing?.

Nope everytime i tried oversizeing it either still ended up smaller than 4.36 or bigger around 4.50.

:TRIM:

you made the wrong choice buying DVD2One, if you were gonna buy anything you shudda bought DVD95Copy (better features and development)

Yes but DVD2one is still a reliable program even though it may not be the best.And it'll get better with future updates.DVD2one also works very well for backing up dvds containing very few extras.

As for DVD95copy,perhaps i'll look into it later.It sure sounds better than the blundering instant copy.

look mate, all this discussion boils down to is that you had IC, you couldn't get 4.37GB outta it so you bought DVD2One and now you are over the moon with it and are peeved with IC

I came along and questioned DVD2One's quality, so you posted your opinion of my opinion based on your incorrect assumptions

now cos I can get the best out of IC and get 4.37Gb with minimal fuss, I am under the great position of choosing to either stick with IC or use my copy of DVD95Copy/DVDShrink or even use DVD2One if need be

now if you were given that choice what would you rather use?

I have actually told you the best way to use IC and still get 4.37Gb by using DVD95Copy/DVDShrink to reduce the menu/extras and I would like to know if you ever try it cos I'm sure you will be pleased especially with the longer films or DVD's with plenty of extras you wish to keep

this is the hybrid method I use now for the majority of my backups cos it not only allows me to use IC for the main title but I also get upto 10% extra on the IC settings due to the space utilization and excellent compression of DVD95Copy. When used individually no one tool can compete but together you get amazing results 8)

cheers

[Super Warrior]

all I am defending is my opinion I made of DVD2One's quality cos it was questioned by yourself (wrongly also ),

Whats so wrong about it? All i ever said was DVD2one's quality was not as god awful as you make it out to be.I never said its quality was better than that of other programs.

but along the way I also started saying that IC's undersizing is not as hard to overcome as some make out

If the program was worth a crap from the begining.You would'nt have to "overcome" anything.

they are only stupid if you ain't got the 5 mins of time or the brains to do it it, which are you?

I've neither the time nor the patience to mess around with a POS program that needs to be tricked into working properly.

so what are you saying? where do you place it in the 1:1 backups quality stakes regarding the 4 tools?

I never said DVD2one's quality was any better than the others,all i've been saying the whole time is that it is not as horrible as you say.

I do read them and you may read mine but you do not fully understand them that's why I said do you get MY point!. That point was that DVD2One's quality sucks when compared to the other 3 so the quality I gain open quote for me personally close quotes is worth it in my eyes

Had you auctually understood my posts,you'd see that i've never said DVD2one was any better in terms of quality than the other programs.

[Super Warrior]

look mate, all this discussion boils down to is that you had IC, you couldn't get 4.37GB outta it so you bought DVD2One and now you are over the moon with it and are peeved with IC

DVD2one may not be perfect,but unlike IC at least it uses up the full 4.36 available without any hassel whatsoever.Can't say the same for IC.

I came along and questioned DVD2One's quality, so you posted your opinion of my opinion based on your incorrect assumptions

Auctully you've been incorrectly assuming the whole time that i've been compareing DVD2one's quality to the other programs.When i have not.

now cos I can get the best out of IC and get 4.37Gb with minimal fuss, I am under the great position of choosing to either stick with IC or use my copy of DVD95Copy/DVDShrink or even use DVD2One if need be

now if you were given that choice what would you rather use?

I've already said a thousand times that i'd still be useing instantcopy if the thing worked properly.But it does not.

[MackemX]

Whats so wrong about it? All i ever said was DVD2one's quality was not as god awful as you make it out to be.

again you talk rubbish, you admitted that when I said it sucked you thought I meant VCD quality. How can I get this through to you?. You are unbelievable!. You misunderstood my initial comment, which I have tried to explain in the simplest of terms to you, yet you still come back with that!. Where did I say it was God Awful?. I said is sucked but also in the same breath mentioned thats why I would use the other programs so in other words it sucked compared to those cos it's the worst

If the program was worth a crap from the begining.You would'nt have to "overcome" anything.

so why doesn't everyone use DVD2One because of it's simplicity and 4.37Gb?. In fact why do people bother to even use CCE etc when we have the simplest app in the world available in the form of DVD2One?. Get with it man!, not everyone is pleased by the simple things in life

I've neither the time nor the patience to mess around with a POS program that needs to be tricked into working properly.

LOL POS to you but not to me or others who can overcome the sizing issue with a bat of an eyelid 8). You have such a grudge against IC it's so unbelievably childish, especially cos all I have said is that DVD2One quality sucked (I didn't say the program was a POS) and you are now moaning endlessly about IC calling it a POS . Unreal!

I never said DVD2one's quality was any better than the others,all i've been saying the whole time is that it is not as horrible as you say.

where did I say it was horrible?, it's all in your head!, you are the one that thought I meant it was as bad as whatever you thought I mean't . You made it all up with your VCD comparision

Had you auctually understood my posts,you'd see that i've never said DVD2one was any better in terms of quality than the other programs.

had you actually understood my posts you wouldn't have been reduced to whinging about IC in every oppurtunity you get but again you bring up the topic of reading your posts!, try reading mine and understanding them . My friend you are the one who needs to look at the posts because you keep on coming up with some stupid answers and constant whinging about IC's sizing

DVD2one may not be perfect,but unlike IC at least it uses up the full 4.36 available without any hassel whatsoever.Can't say the same for IC.

you are fighting a losing battle by whinging about that all the time cos it's easily overcome but DVD2One quality ain't

Auctully you've been incorrectly assuming the whole time that i've been compareing DVD2one's quality to the other programs.When i have not.

I'm not incorrect, cos I am the one who was comparing the quality and have actually asked you what your opinion was a few posts ago

I've already said a thousand times that i'd still be useing instantcopy if the thing worked properly.But it does not.

it doesn't work properly for the people who want the BIG RED BUTTON app but it does for those who can be arsed to compensate for it, but how can you compensate for DVD2One's crap quality?, shut one eye maybe

but seeing as we are discussing your grievance with IC's sizing and my grievance with DVD2One's quality, if DVD2One's not better quality than any of the others would you not agree that the quality sucks when compared to the others? as in it's last!, bottom of the pile, naff, POS, crap, useless, not worth peeing on? etc etc etc just as IC's sizing sucks etc (but can be overcome unlike something else I know of )

I know it gets you 4.37Gb but so does DVD95Copy & DVDShrink (most times) yet you chose the one with the worst quality regarding 1:1 which is what you wanted the app to do . Wise move , especially when DVD95Copy has more features and gets better updates and support and the other is free and also looks very promising regarding updates than DVD2One

I must say it looks like you musta put loads research into making your decision buying DVD2One and I'm also surprised it took you so long to realise the sizing issue with IC cos it's less than a week ago that you started looking for a new program yet it's been common knowledge about undersizing since a few weeks after it's release

and looking at your post HERE you were even told about DVDShrink and KungFucow was just a bit late mentioning DVD95Copy, but I'm surprised you missed how good DVD95Copy is cos there are plenty of people using it. DVD2One is only a few updates away from the perfect thing you say?, if you had also known stuff you wudda realised how slow the updates have been since it's release and to buy something on the promise it may include the features in an update, yet two other apps offer those features now is very strange, very strange indeed

keep em coming cos I enjoy reading your posts, and it's all stemmed from you wrongly thinking I meant DVD2One quality was of the same level as VCD's . Looking back I think it's got more to do with your grievance with IC and your poor decision to buy DVD2One at this moment in time than anything else , so I'm here for you to cry on my shoulder. Let it all out, it will do you good

[Super Warrior]

so why doesn't everyone use DVD2One because of it's simplicity and 4.37Gb?. In fact why do people bother to even use CCE etc when we have the simplest app in the world available in the form of DVD2One?. Get with it man!, not everyone is pleased by the simple things in life

I'm not talking about Everybody or other people here.I speak only of what i am into.

You have such a grudge against IC it's so unbelievably childish,

I don't have a grudge against IC at all.I just refuse to use it for the time being because it does not give the results it promises.Sorry.

If pinnacle were to update it tomarrow and get rid of the problem.Then i'd be useing IC once again.

and you are now moaning endlessly about IC calling it a POS

What do you call a program that does not deliver what it promises and only works half assed?

I don't know about you,but i call that a POS

had you actually understood my posts you wouldn't have been reduced to whinging about IC in every oppurtunity you get

Instantcopy and its sizeing issue is what the whole topic is about.

constant whinging about IC's sizing

Again instantcopy sizeing issue is what the topic is about.That is why i talk about it.Why would'nt i?

you are fighting a losing battle by whinging about that all the time cos it's easily overcome but DVD2One quality ain't

I'm not fighting any kind of battle.

Instantcopy does not deliver what it promises and so i no longer use it.The end.

I'm not incorrect, cos I am the one who was comparing the quality and have actually asked you what your opinion was a few posts ago

You are incorrect because you keep assuming that i am compareing DVD2one's quality to that of the other programs.When i've already stated plenty of times that i am not.

it doesn't work properly for the people who want the BIG RED BUTTON app

Yes,god forbid we auctually want the program to deliver what it promises and work properly with no hassel.