Backup long DVD movies

[MrFtp]

Hi,

What do you use for backup long dvd movies,over 2h 30 min?
What is best , Dvd2one,Instant copy,Dvdshrink or Encode the movie with cce? need advice

[letitbleed]

I have done Dances With Wolves (173 mins) with DVD Shrink ( movie only,DD 5.1 sound) found quality to be good.
Also have done a few around the 2hr 30 min mark with DVD2One with no problems
Overall quality wise there is not much in it between these two
I find being able to rip with DVD Shrink just sways it the the convience stakes

[jnk76]

I have used DVDone for long movies with no problems. If you take stills of complex scenes ecspecially fire or dark active scenes you will notice differences where IC7 is better. If you really want the best and time is not an issue I still believe CCE is the best hands down.

[lrpebler]

One more tip if you are using DVDShrink:

Don't overlook the option to split your long movie onto two discs. DVDShrink has the option to do this, if you choose to reauthor and set the source range for the first half for disc 1, and 2nd half for disc 2.

If you want to keep max quality and don't mind switching discs halfway through, this is a great way to do it that is easy and free.

Good luck.

LRP

[ghoster]

i have done green mile and lotr useing dvd2one and i haven't noticed any difference between the orginal and the back up.

[boden11]

if ure REALLY worried, do cce, otherwise ic7 should be fine.

[baker]

i am going to get in trouble for saying this but all the above programs produce crap quailty apart from CCE.

plz dont hate me


Baker

[Vejita-sama]

For the best results, spilt your DVD to two DVD-R's. That way there is zero quaility lost.

Next down would be to re-encode in CCE (or TMPGenc et.al.) If the movie is really long you might want to re-size to 352x480. This results in a higher bitrate/pixel ratio and better encode (the human eye can barely tell the difference).

Then comes instant copy. For DVD2ONE, DVD Shrink and the other transcoders it's up to you.

I see a lot of posts where people say they can't tell the difference between a 2hr+ movie (eg. Harry Potter) done by re-encoding in CCE vs. DVD2ONE. If you're eyes really can't tell the difference use a transcoder is much faster, but they all produce crappy output IMHO compared to re-encoding (which does take a lot more time).

Again thou, all things being equal DVDR's are cheap, so spilt the movie for best quaility (or wait for cheaper blu-ray )

[baker]

totally agree with the above post.

Also now that dvd burners are falling through the floor in terms of prices every tom dick and harry has one and dosn't care about the quailty just thinks its cool to have a film on a disk and wants it as quickly as possible.

Baker

[hunghuynh]

If you want to view the making movies on the 60in or greater TV with excellent picture : only one way split to 2 discs. I tried all the software IC, DVD2One, DVD9to5, DVD shrink the quality is not good enough when it view on the 60 or more inches TV. Any comment.

[baker]

well hung.

Can I just say welcome to the forums, anybody with eyes like yourselfs is well welcome in my books. Anyway about your comment. I think that keeping only the AC-3 audio track should leave you with more than enough bitrate to create a great copy in CCE.

Please try.


Baker

[dexter757]

How do you utilize this CCE option, Is it in the Decrypter stage ?

[nerdboy69]

Baker and Co. ... I reckon you have all got your hand on it.

Try watching the movie instead of straining to see the pixels.

All of the packages mentioned will do a good job. Depends on whether you prefer spending your life watching a progress bar, or the movie.

If you prefer movies, use DVD2One or DVD Shrink.

If you prefer better quality and want to spend the money, go for IC7.

If you have nothing better to do in your life, go CCE.

[VinnySem]

IMHO, the method that produces the best quality is movie-only, transcoding with CCE. I just did Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets, which is about 2:40, and I had to reduce the file size of the M2V nearly in half. Bitrated came out to about 3600. Quality was PERFECT. I am Uber-Picky when it comes to picture quality, and I've no noticeable pixelation.

I have a very good method for ripping, transcoding, authoring, and burning, I am putting a guide together for it right now. I'll post when it's been proof-read and completed.

[tjtoed]

I agree with nerdboy69.

If you are truly only making a backup copy of an original DVD that you own for playback or giving it to your kids to destroy, who gives a crap if the picture quality is not 100% of the original.

If you need 100% quality, split it onto 2 DVD's or buy 2 originals.

But for "good" quality backups, go with the ones that produce quality backups in the shortest amount of time.

DVD2One has worked better than DVDShrink for me as the playback of Chamber of Secrets was choppy while the playback of the DVD2ONE backup played great (both on RW first of course).

Bottom line is there are numerous backup utilities out there and you just have to find one that works for you and use it no matter what other people say about it...

[baker]

Try watching the movie instead of straining to see the pixels.

OMG. In my absoloute honest no lying opinion. The quailty of Dvd2one is so bad that I can clearly see the blocks!! I dont go looking for trouble! Its also very blunt quailty, in that there is little or no detail!

What progress bar??? If your talking about the CCE progress bar which goes at faster than real time then I dont look at that, i go cook a pizza, come back burn my film and wella!!!

Baker

[jarvis1781]

I would have to agree with you completely Baker.

After trying EVERY and I mean EVERY method of reencoding and transcoding a movie I honestly believe for some films there is a huge difference between quality.

Yeah, nerdboy, as far as watching a progress bar...even 20-30 minutes is a waste of your life if you watch that! I have better things to do with my time like Baker said "make a pizza"....or even.....GO TO WORK.

Anyway, after backing up many movies with different methods and comparing the results there are a few films where the transcoders will suffice, but not many.

If you compare the colors there is a huge difference between them and CCE.

Anyway you like it is up to you....I just wanted to comment about the wasting time part....again I emphasize GO TO WORK or do something else....if you honestly sit there and watch a "progress bar" you should pop in a movie and enjoy that while a new one reencodes

[VinnySem]

Baker and Co. ... I reckon you have all got your hand on it.

Try watching the movie instead of straining to see the pixels.

All of the packages mentioned will do a good job. Depends on whether you prefer spending your life watching a progress bar, or the movie.

If you prefer movies, use DVD2One or DVD Shrink.

If you prefer better quality and want to spend the money, go for IC7.

If you have nothing better to do in your life, go CCE.

You read through the threads on this site.. anyone with a discerning eye for quality uses CCE. Just run the jobs at night, or during the day, while you're at WORK

[joe444455555]

Ok, what I'd really like to know, is how would I go about at some point in this process stripping out the mpeg-2 file that is the main movie from it's vob structure, encode (transcode) it with CCE (into DVD or perhaps CVD), then put it back into the vob structure from where it origionated. DVD is for the ok films and CVD is for the really pushing it episode disks.

I wish to retain ALL other extras and use CCE for the transcode part of process. I currently use Pinnacle instant copy, but am open to other options.
I prefer CCE for it's quality under 4-5 pass VBR, rather than it's blazing speed at 1pass CBR.

[VideoTechMan]

If you want a challenge in doing long movies, how about trying to do the movie "The Ten Commandments". That movie is almost 4 hours long.....and I bought the DVD (came in a 2-disc set) since its a movie i loved since I was a kid....now that would be an interesting challenge to do...hehe.

VideoTechMan

[_fester_]

My 2 cents:

I used to use CCE and DVD maestro together to do great backups of dvds. This was ok, but it took minimum of 3 hours, some to 6 or more hours! Dont get me started about TMPGEncode...I did over 100 copies with CCE.

I tried DVD2One when it came out, and saw all the quality imperfections, general quality loss, etc. You know what? My start to finish time went from 3+ hours to 30 mins. The quality difference I noticed most was taking a movie with a high bit rate, that was also a long movie, and shrinking it down. There was definitely some times when I looked at the result, and decided it was not up to snuff, and I would do it with CCE.

Those times are completely gone. I have too much to do to worry about small differences in quality(and really, in 90% of movies I've backed up, the difference in quality is not very noticeable) to justify the waste of many hours to copy a 15 dollar dvd. Do the math with how much you earn to how long that DVD copy took you.

Like someone said already, CCE for quality hands down, but DVD2one(or DVD shrink or IC7) for speed and features. Obviously if you are an elitist, perfectionist who demands perfect Pokemons onscreen you won't agree.

[MackemX]

CCE is defintely number 1 when compression levels are sub 70%, and only one comes close to it and all the rest are just nowhere near no matter what anyone says period

If you can't see the blocks then the image detail is suffering instead as your TV is just blurring the image instead. The image will be blurrier but not as sharp and fine details like hair/stubble etc will be lost

If you feel they are all the same then check out the quote in my sig

the one that is near is CCE is IC and after a certain point of say 75%, no matter how good your eyes or setup the quality difference is miniscule even using Pause/Zoom. If you disagree then you are being very picky about quality especially for a backup

I think CCE is brilliant for the people who have the knowledge, the time and the means to buy all relevant software but now it's future is looking bleak for new users to go that method route

why on earth someone would want to learn howto do it all using the CCE method now is beyond me when IC can give just about the same results with a fraction of the time, the effort and finally the cost (unless of course they use warez)

now for the sake of a few mins user input and going away and doing something else, IC is the one for me now and CCE is for the occasional DVD that is in the region of 3 hours if I can be bothered

can I ask how many of you diehard CCE users would still use CCE if IC incorporated a 2 or more pass, which resulted in a slightly higher quality and better sizes?

the day will come when a tool using CCE's method will be incorporated in a program like IC for $49 and the sooner the better

p.s. again what's with the bigger the TV the better, even my 20" portable displays a difference . Size isn't neccesarily better quality so again I scoff at guys who say I've got a 100" projector etc, so what!!!
It's the quality of the components used that will determine the eventual quality of the picture displayed

[vric]

the day will come when a tool using CCE's method will be incorporated in a program like IC for $49 and the sooner the better

IF Fact, I got Instant Copy for 9.99$Canadian ! even if you can found it for less (no illution to nothing) At this price I took the box..

Istalled, tested and result is a coaster will retry later

[MackemX]

IF Fact, I got Instant Copy for 9.99$Canadian ! even if you can found it for less (no illution to nothing) At this price I took the box..

Istalled, tested and result is a coaster will retry later

I know you can get discounts etc, but I was talking about a program having the features of all cheapy programs but using CCE as the encoder

you shudda checked out the free trial first and saved your $10 if you don't think it's for you

as for the coaster, did you by chance remove anything?

you are talking to the Master of IC here 8) and I'm always willing to help an unsatisfied user to get the same excellent results I enjoy using this simple tool

check out the guides and info in my Sig to help you get successful backups using IC

[oldfart13]

Any idea why IC burns so many coasters? On my Win 98SE system, it does maybe 1 out of 2. It starts the burn okay and then gets maybe 90% of the disk done and then just hangs. I did one overnight on a Verbatim 2X DVD-R and it hung after 3.8 Gig of a 4 Gig burn. Never had it happen with programs like DVD Decrypter. Too bad Pinnacle doesn't seem to have any answers...

[MackemX]

don't use IC to burn your DVD's

use DVDDerypter or better still use PDI2ISO or PDITOOL and extract and check what you are burning then use something you are more familiar with

if you wanna insist on using IC then that's the chance you take

you can change certain settings in IC but I'm not sure it will help you

[vric]

as for the coaster, did you by chance remove anything?

you are talking to the Master of IC here 8) and I'm always willing to help an unsatisfied user to get the same excellent results I enjoy using this simple tool

You got it I would love to take a chat with you one day.. Some of my question get unawnsered here like How to make a damn backup of Movie + menu w/o Extras

[MackemX]

You got it I would love to take a chat with you one day.. Some of my question get unawnsered here

most answers lie within the guides but if anything ain't clear enough just PM me cos it's as simple as I can put it, but if something stumps you I will check it out and adjust the guides accordingly

it's easy once you know how believe me and a quite a few have told me so after using the guides

[lennyt]

The old saying: "you get what you pay for".

If you want to save the original DVD quality DVDXCopy is the way to go. It will split the disk with chapters and keep the original quality. We spend alot of money on DVD burners and then expect quality from so called free and shareware programs. I tried most of the above mentioned programs and wasted alot of blank DVD media. True the going price for DVDXCopy is $99 but if you search the web you can save $20-30 off that price.
Also check out http://www.supermediastore.com/dvdmedia.html for low prices on DVD media.

[thippe]

From what i hear, and what i've done w/ dvd2svcd in the past. I believe CCE to be the best route. But using dvd2svcd at least...its extremely hard to get 5.1 surround. The way it converts it, most players output it as 2.1
Does this sound correct? I still need my 5.1 !! So i've been using IC7