IDE order question

[vric]

Hi

Simple litle question. I have:

1 IDE Hard Disk (IBM)
1 DVD-Rom (pioneer)
1 DVD-RW (LG)
1 CD-RW (liteon)

Which order should I conect them for best result:

Primary Master: IDE Hard Disque
Primary Slave: ??
Secondary Master: ??
Secondary Slave: ??

I need all those unit, and I have a Promise Controller, but only raid SATA possible (damn asus)

[Bob W]

Well this is the way I would do it however some won't like my idea.

Primary Master: IDE Hard Disque
Primary Slave: CD-RW (liteon)
Secondary Master: DVD-Rom (pioneer)
Secondary Slave: DVD-RW (LG)

[csautter]

If you put any of your optical drives on the same channel as your hard drive, you can expect your hard drive to only perform as well as the optical drive. Most sources say to never mix the two on the same channel. Just something to consider.

Christopher Sautter
Tucson, Arizona

[vric]

If you put any of your optical drives on the same channel as your hard drive, you can expect your hard drive to only perform as well as the optical drive. Most sources say to never mix the two on the same channel. Just something to consider.

Christopher Sautter
Tucson, Arizona

humm didn't think about that.. anyway, not a big difference between UDMA33 and UDMA66... (I have a old IBM drive)

Will try, if it not work, I will buy a IDE Controler PCI card (40$Can)

Still my question, what should I put for best trasfer rate ?

[csautter]

I'd probably put the fastest optical with the hard drive and then the 2 slowest ones on the secondary. I don't think it matters which one you put first, I usually do it based on what drive letter I want automatically assigned to which drive.

Christopher Sautter
Tucson, Arizona

[txpharoah]

What do you want to do?
That's the important issue here.

To copy DVD from another non-proteced DVD, and to be able to rip fast to the HD, and still manage perfect CD playback/copy/burning, do this:

Master IDE1: 1 IDE Hard Disk (IBM)
Slave IDE1: 1 DVD-RW (LG)
Master IDE2: 1 DVD-Rom (pioneer)
Slave IDE2: 1 CD-RW (liteon)

If you need to burn from the HD, then put the DVD-RW as Master IDE2, and then the DVD-ROM as the Slave IDE1.

Just remember, the data during a burn, you CANNOT copy from Master to Slave. It will underrun. Data can ONLY move one way along the IDE channel.

Remember: DVD-R/+R underrun still sucks and probably gets more use than your CD-R. If one has to be in an underrun situation, let it be the CD-R.

Again, what do you want to do? I can help you more when I know what your plans are in reference to copying DVD to DVD, or just ripping to CD, or whatever...

And no offense to the others here, but some of the reasons you've gotten so far have no rhyme or reason to them and are some og the dumbest things I've heard in past days. (1. You can manually reassign drive letters, and 2. the speed of the optical drive has nothing to do with speed of your HD, it's the data transfer across the IDE channel that controls that.)

[zedolfblack]

If you put any of your optical drives on the same channel as your hard drive, you can expect your hard drive to only perform as well as the optical drive. Most sources say to never mix the two on the same channel. Just something to consider.

Generally true with older pc systems, but these days it's no problem.
The IDE transfer rate used to be limited to the speed of the slowest device on the channel - but ONLY when BOTH devices on that channel were being accessed simultaneously.
With a modern pc, the IDE transfers at the maximum speed of the device it's accessing regardless of any other devices on that same IDE channel.

Martin.

[txpharoah]

I think some of ya'll are missing the point here. If he has a DVD-RW and a CD-RW drive, he/she's going to be accessing both at the same time (a burning device and the HD, or two burners together, or a reader and burner together).

Speeds of the devices are not too important here. The fact that you need to consider getting the most-used devices onto different IDE channels is the main concern.

Putting two devices on the same IDE channel will decrease performance in both items used together, and will most definitely result in DVD-R coasters and potential bad CD-R burns, as well as reduced DVD ripping speeds of data to the HD.

As soon as the original poster specifies the final goal, ONLY THEN can we continue to give some advice on proper setup of the hardware. If he/she has to use a lot of the devices at once, then an additional IDE card may even be needed. I have one for such a reason.

[Bob W]

I think some of ya'll are missing the point here. If he has a DVD-RW and a CD-RW drive, he/she's going to be accessing both at the same time (a burning device and the HD, or two burners together, or a reader and burner together).

Speeds of the devices are not too important here. The fact that you need to consider getting the most-used devices onto different IDE channels is the main concern.

Putting two devices on the same IDE channel will decrease performance in both items used together, and will most definitely result in DVD-R coasters and potential bad CD-R burns, as well as reduced DVD ripping speeds of data to the HD.

As soon as the original poster specifies the final goal, ONLY THEN can we continue to give some advice on proper setup of the hardware. If he/she has to use a lot of the devices at once, then an additional IDE card may even be needed. I have one for such a reason.

Blah I have a setup similar to what I suggested and I rip at speeds up to 15.5x for DVD5 and average 6 to 8x for DVD9 movies. I burn at mostly 4x and in 300 burns only had one error and that was my fault for opening IE6 in the middle of the burn.

[txpharoah]

Your setup:

Primary Master: IDE Hard Disque
Primary Slave: CD-RW (liteon)
Secondary Master: DVD-Rom (pioneer)
Secondary Slave: DVD-RW (LG)

This does NOT allow for DVD to DVD-R on-the-fly copies. Copying from master to slave on the IDE2 channel will absolutely result in an underrun. If the original poster does not care about doing that, then your setup would be fine. Otherwise, no. We need to know what that person wants to do. Period.

[gmatov]

txpharoah,
Why don't you simplify this whole discussion and tell vric to get a Promise ATA 100/133 card?
With the 4 devices in question, at some point there will be conflict....

Primary Master: IDE Hard Disk
Primary Slave: CD-RW (liteon) Can't burn from disk image
Secondary Master: DVD-Rom (pioneer)
Secondary Slave: DVD-RW (LG) Can't copy DVD "on the fly". CD, yes.

Should get terrific DVD rip speeds, 'tho.

Master IDE1: 1 IDE Hard Disk (IBM)
Slave IDE1: 1 DVD-RW (LG) Can't burn converted video.
Master IDE2: 1 DVD-Rom (pioneer)
Slave IDE2: 1 CD-RW (liteon)

Good rip speed, again.

Below is vric's original post It makes the most sense, with only 4 IDEs available. The rip speed is the only disadvantage, and you can live with that.

1 IDE Hard Disk (IBM) Master
1 DVD-Rom (pioneer) Slave; slow rip,fast CD "on the fly".
1 DVD-RW (LG) Master; Burn converted video files.
1 CD-RW (liteon) Slave; Burn CD Image or folder full of files, whatever.

Does this make sense till vric gets an adapter card? After all, you're surely gonna add a hard drive one of these days, aren't you?

George

[gmatov]

txpharoah,
Sorry, I just re-read the line after your final lineup. The changes were what I just pointed out as vrics original question. I agree.

George

[vric]

ok first. I never do "on the fly" copy. CD or DVD, I never do this. Always make an image on HD.

If it's possible to not buy a IDE PCI card, I will save 44$ (or 35$ for ST-Lab ATA-133.. is this good ?) But if the settup is imposible. then i'm doomed and need to buy one

While Ago, on my P3 800Mhz, I had 3 Optical device and it was working, but don't remeber how fast it was working.

The idea here is to save the LG DVD-RW that cost a lot. so:

DVD-ROm: main CD drive. will rip DVD also
CD-RW: make all the CD.. LG drive will not do any CD
DVD-RW: make DVD from image on the HD.

Look like I got a good problem for computer freak

thanks for help guys

[vric]

Right now I have:

Master IDE1: 1 IDE Hard Disk (IBM)
Slave IDE1: nothing
Master IDE2: 1 DVD-Rom (pioneer)
Slave IDE2: 1 CD-RW (liteon)

I have made 1 or 2 time On the fly copy from DVD-ROM to CD-RW without problem.. Maybe I was just lucky

Here is my computer:

Pentium 4 2.53 Ghz
Asus P4S8X SRL 1.005.008
512meg OCZ DDR333 Performance Series @ 400Mhz
IBM 30G 60GXP
Sound Blaster Audigy
Leadtek a280 LE TD MyViVo (Geforce 4 Ti-4200 8X)
Pioneer DVD 16X
Liteon 40X Burner
LG DVD Burner 4020B
Full Tower Custom 400W moded
Microsoft Sound System 80 2.1 80WRMS Digital Speaker
Nec FE991SB 19" Diamondtron


It's sad, I have an extra IDE chanel on my Board (Promise) but Can't use it.. Serial ATA raid only (stupid Asus)

[Piccoro]

that looks like a good setup. cause your goin from optical drive to hdd and they are on oposite cables. There are adapters you can buy to use your serial raid, some motherboards come with them others you will just have to buy them. I think they adapters have master/slave settin on the back of the adapter to match your drive setting but you can only do 1 drive per serial connection. i believe thats 2 drives then.

*edit
Image of adapter

[vric]

that looks like a good setup. cause your goin from optical drive to hdd and they are on oposite cables. There are adapters you can buy to use your serial raid, some motherboards come with them others you will just have to buy them. I think they adapters have master/slave settin on the back of the adapter to match your drive setting but you can only do 1 drive per serial connection. i believe thats 2 drives then.

yea I know.. I would buy a 10$ SATA adapter, but I need to setup a RAID to make this work.. so need a second HD.. for now, it's not a good idea.

[tech673]

your biggest concern should be that ata66 30gig hd. and with a cd drive on the same cable, you'll be at ata33 so get the card cause you'll need another hd sooner or later.

[vric]

your biggest concern should be that ata66 30gig hd. and with a cd drive on the same cable, you'll be at ata33 so get the card cause you'll need another hd sooner or later.

I asked Asus about that, and they told me that "new" IDE chanel can handle multiple speed chanel. so My HD should work at ATA100 and the Optical drive at ATA33. The only problem would be when copying from this drive to HD, I would lost about 5% of speed. This is what Asus techs told me

[vric]

Just ordered my DVD-RW.. in few day, I will have all sort of problem as everyone here

[joshcali]

Hi, I have the same question, with a slightly different config, hoping can someone give me the same advice as to which is the best ide order?

I have a:
Maxtor 40gb 6L040J2 hard drive
Toshiba SD-M1502 dvd reader
Sony DRU-500A dvd writer


running on a Tyan Tiger MP board.
I also have 3 other hard drives on a seperate promise controller card (ultra 133 TX2)

I'm trying to figure out:

1) what's the best IDE configuration so I can do a cd to cd copy on the fly?

2) what's the best IDE configuration so I can Rip a DVD to the hard drive at top speed (this can be to the hard drives on the seperate controllers)

3) is there any way to do a DVD to DVD-R on the fly? I've heard it talked about and was wondering if it's just a great way to make coasters!



the mobo I have is a dual proc, so it would be great to have a way to keep working with files off the drive while doing a cd-to-cd copy, but I understand this might not be reasonable.

right now I just tried this setup based on the advice above:

Primary Master: Maxtor 40gb 6L040J2 hard drive
Primary Slave: Sony DRU-500A dvd writer
Secondary Master: Toshiba SD-M1502 dvd reader

is this the best to use?
thanks!
-Josh

[txpharoah]

I copy DVD-R to DVD-R on the fly all the time. But of course, this is for commercial work, not people just backing up stuff. You can only copy a DVD source on the fly IF it is NOT CSS protected.

All you must remember is to have the DVD-ROM and DVD-R drives on OPPOSITE IDE channels. Otherwise, you're looking at underruns, and enough coasters to supply a banquet hall.