Resize in CCE?

[rebawest]

So far I've been encoding mi SVCDs with Virtualdub resizing filter and Cinema Craft Encoder.
But reading the encoders comparison I found out that you can increase speed rezising with TMPEGEnc instead of Vdub.

Can anyone tell me how I can resize with TMPEGEnc and encode with CCE?

Encoders comparison:
https://www.videohelp.com/comparison.htm#mpeg2

[thefox149]

I read that also but have not worked that out either......Please help us

[Dragonsf]

Have you tried avisynth for resizing?It should be faster than VDub anyway.
I can't imaging how to frameserve with tmpgenc into CCE, which is faster than that.

[thefox149]

avisynth is indeed faster I just wished I could use it the whole no gui thing leaves me not fully understanding what it is I am supposed to do....

[adam]

If you want to frameserve from TMPGenc to CCE than make all of your settings in TMPGenc and then save it to a .tpr project file. Then use VFAPIConverter to convert it to a pseudo-avi file which CCE will accept as input. There is absolutely no way this could be faster than Avisynth resizing. You have to convert from YUV to RGB and then back to YUV again. Also, I would imagine that TMPGenc would use alot more memory and CPU cycles than avisynth would.

Avisynth is simply the fastest way to frameserve a DVD source into CCE. It allows you to preserve the YUV source so you skip the conversion RGB that you get when using TMPGenc, Vdub, or vfapiconverter. For me, this increases speed by about 30%.

If you are unsure how to script the AVS files for avisynth than get the wonderful program FitCD. You just load your d2v file and set the desired output format ie: SVCD, VCD etc.. and it creates the script for you.

[D_Knife]

thefox149
if avisynth config files leave you cold - try hunting down avsgen
http://home.debitel.net/user/holger.beetz/AVSGEN.htm

I think this is the homepage - there seem to be a couple of versions floating around

anyway - while not offering FULL avisynth capabilites - it more than enough covers the basic stuff and allows you to view / edit the generated synth file.
A very good stepping stone to creating your own scripts
Oh it's freeware as well

[Dragonsf]

Once you get a hang to AviSynth, there is nothing easier than using it.I replaced my complete Videoedit way with AviSynth.
Things like:
AviSource("...")+AviSource()....
trim(a,b)+(trim(c,d)....
is all you need to cut the commercials (0 to a-1,b+1 to c-1) etc.
(a,b,c,d are absolute framenumbers).
Just a click and you can preview your script in VDub (even if your sources are in different formats)

[thefox149]

Thanks guys I am checking it out....looks good couple of questions thought

You save the avs file convert it using the vpafi wrapper...then load the file ??? is this all you do ?? do you need leave a program open like for example in vdub you start frameserving and vdub runs in the back ground???

Also I use DVD2SVCD (but make CVD's) for my DVD backups.
I capture stuff from cable into Vdub so in essence I am capturing in RGB yes no????(I use picvideo at 19 setting force yuy2 out put me thinks frame size 352x576) then do all my filter stuff etc crop unsharp mask resize which gives me absolutly amazing results then ripp audio and convert audio with headac3e and do the mpv with cce

Would using avisyth still be benefical to use??? or is there a better way???

[thefox149]

have been mucking around with it and have got it to work and is really fast well much faster than vdub (vdub 0.833 speed avisyth 2.0 speed using CCE 2.64 on this machine but at home using 2.5 mpg2 multi pass 4 vbr )

I need to do more test and learning thanks for that guys...still my question stands though

Cause I capture in vdub does that mean I am capping in RGB can avisynth work effectively in rgb just like in yuy2 colourspace??? or does it reconvert blah blah...

Does this mean all the filters I wanna do in vdub I can effectively do in avisyth and if so can I prepare and avi in vdub do all the stuff I wanna do and instead of saving the avi I can somehow get it to generate a script and use avisyth???

[rebawest]

Thanks everyone for answering.
Avisynth worked fine using this .AVS file:

AviSource("video.avi")
BicubicResize(480, 336, 0, 0.75)
AddBorders(0,72,0,72)

My source file is a DivX movie, with 1.85:1 aspect ratio, that's why I added the black bars with "AddBorders". The result is a 480x480, .MPV file, ready to mux with the audio file and burn as NTSC-film SVCD.

There are other options for resizing, like BilinearResize, but I don't know which one is better. And you can also change the b=0 and c=0.75 settings.
If anyone has already done this, please tell us your conclusions, which resizing would be better for SVCD?

[thefox149]

I know that bilinear is best for enlarging.....

I am still mucking around with avisynth ....it is starting to make sense.

What I have been doing up until now is my editing in vdub eg sharpen etc and frameserve

when I think about it it takes 3-4 hours to save avi with filters etc then 10 hrs to encode via vdub frameserve (or 19 frameserve and filter ) at 0.4 upto 0.8 speed and with avisyth upto 2.0 speed ...well me thinks its' better to do it like this until I work out how to use all the vdub filters in avisynth...if that is possible .....

That is save the avi and frameserve (You might be saying "you might as well directly open it in CCE" but it does not recognise the avi hence the frameserve not sure why thought maybe it's got to do with RGB vs YUY2
colourspace)

13 hours opposed to 19 hours now if I frameserve the avi file using avisynth I think I can get it down to about 8 to 10 hours in total....still a million times faster that tmpgenc and much better quality (well that is entirely new post)

[DJRumpy]

Bilinear is best for reducing. Bicubic is best for resizing. The 1st softens your image a bit, helping to reduce the 'jaggies' that sometimes appear when reducing an image. The second type (bicubic) sharpens. I prefer sharp images, so I always use Bicubic. It's more of a personal choice.

AVISynth is the tool of choice for CCE. It's faster than VDub, TMPGeng, and VFAPI, as it serves directly to CCE, where the other two must work through VFAPI (although I've heard new versions of CCE open VDub files directly?). VFAPI itself is slower than AVISynth. Do the math.

If you want to learn how to use AVISynth, you can grab the manual here:
http://www.avisynth.org/index.php?page=AviSynthManual

I nabbed a simple text version of the documentation here:
http://math.berkeley.edu/~benrg/avisynth-reference.html
A quick copy/paste of this into a doc, and you have a handy local command reference guide.

The manual commands are simple, with fairly plain english. The switches all refer to a value in your video.
Manual Reference looks like this:
BicubicResize(width,height)
Actaul script command would look like this:
BicubicResize(720,480)
Things like the command above would simply resize your input video to 720 pixels wide, by 480 pixels high. Simple. The more complex commands are all simple to use as well, if you use the manual, and follow the documentation. Something more complex, like the Crop command:
Crop(left,top,width,height)
Just plug in your desired output size from the source video into those values (left,top,width,height), and your output is cropped accordingly.
Crop(0,102,720,360)
This command would remove 0 pixels from the left side of your video
It would remove 102 pixels from the TOP of your video.
It would retain 720 pixels of width.
It would retain 360 pixels of height, after discarding the 102 we took with the TOP setting.
Just use the FIND function in Notepad (or your editor/viewer of choice), to scan the manual, to find the commands that do what you need (e.g. letterbox, resize, crop, resample, trim, fade, etc).

[thefox149]

Damn I read some where bilinear was best for enlarging......damn!!!!

Well thanks for that....

Werid question on my home PC (specs given ) the fastest I could frameserve is was 1.00 speed but on my work one (very similar in power) goes up to 2.0 speed

At home I used the lastest avisyth not exactly sure but I got it off the offical site ....at work I use avisynth 1.0beta 3

I will see if I can speed up the serve with this version....

[thefox149]

Cool So I am able to frameserve well now so I wanna do some vdub filters so here is what I have done

AVS file to be framesevered looks like this

import("C:\temp tracks\games\avisynth-1.0-beta3\vdfilters.avs")
AVISource("C:\temp tracks\movie\maurice.avi")


My vdfilters import script looks like this: I got this from the avisyth1.0 beta download and thought it might help...nothing happens...the setting I use should give a grainy picture with the white spacing between pixels .....

I am going to try with out all the other crap in the script and just reference the script directly to the filter.....Can someone see what I am doing wrong...I can open the file in vdub but the filter effect does not happen so I thought maybe I don't see it do to the fact that no filters have been loaded...but this is wrong I have told vdub to load the filter in the script...am I right??? so there for I should be able to preview the effect....

################################################## ###########
# This file provides convenient Avisynth interfaces to #
# various VirtualDub plugins. Load it in your script with: #
# #
# Import("vdfilters.avs") #
################################################## ###########

################################################## ######
# Change VirtualDub_plugin_directory below to point to #
# the directory containing your VirtualDub plugins. #
################################################## ######

global VirtualDub_plugin_directory = "c:\temp tracks\games\VirtualDub-1.4.13-MPEG2-AC3"



################################
# Unsharp Mask by Donald Graft #
################################

function VD_UnsharpMask(clip clip, int "diameter", int "strength", int "threshold",
\ bool "interlaced", int "mask_top", int "mask_bottom",
\ int "mask_left", int "mask_right")
{
LoadVirtualdubPlugin(VirtualDub_plugin_directory+" \unsharp.vdf", "_VD_UnsharpMask", 1)
return clip._VD_UnsharpMask(default(diameter,5), default(strength,160),
\ default(threshold,30), default(mask_left,0), default(mask_right,0),
\ default(mask_bottom,0), default(mask_top,0), default(interlaced,false)?1:0)
}

[Quigonsean]

DJ- Judging from your posts here, and the post we exchanged in the StarWars Widescreen link you seem like the man to ask. The one proggie I got problems with is using Avisynth. Heck I just finished reading the entire Maestro manual all 688 pages before getting much further into my ESB DVD. Eventhough I've used it alot, just to learn some better tricks and see what I could do that I have so far to make it look as pro as my copy of TPM, and AOTC. But I degress. Would you be able to provide an Avisynth script to crop the black bars from an analog cap of ESB Widescreen. (Capped at 720x480.) Then I would use that script to run it through CCE, but I wanna keep aspect ratio encode 16x9. Cause mesa gonna author it in Maestro. If you could help, I'd appriciate it. I read and copied the avisynth manuals and satuff yoyu posted the links to, and despite being able to understand most of Maestro's manual, this script stuff is harder than Chineese Arithmatic.
Thanks
sorry if there are lots of typo's but my cat likes to tool back and forth across my keyboard whilst I type, I've tried removing her but now after trying twice both of my index fingers are wrapped in gauze and medical tape. That makes for even worse typing which gioes hand in hand with my atrociuos spelling.

May the Force be With You,
Sean Ward aka Quigonsean

[thefox149]

I hate to sound like a whinger but can somebodu PLLLEAASE ehlp understand how to frameserve with the vdub filters ......aarrgghhh I have been mucking arounf with the script for about 2 hrs

When I open or encode the generated AVS the picture is fine ...but no filter I have tried the logo filter the unsharp filter but nothing...aarrgt HELP me

Cool So I am able to frameserve well now so I wanna do some vdub filters so here is what I have done

AVS file to be framesevered looks like this

import("C:\temp tracks\games\avisynth-1.0-beta3\vdfilters.avs")
AVISource("C:\temp tracks\movie\maurice.avi")


My vdfilters import script looks like this: I got this from the avisyth1.0 beta download and thought it might help...nothing happens...the setting I use should give a grainy picture with the white spacing between pixels .....

I am going to try with out all the other crap in the script and just reference the script directly to the filter.....Can someone see what I am doing wrong...I can open the file in vdub but the filter effect does not happen so I thought maybe I don't see it do to the fact that no filters have been loaded...but this is wrong I have told vdub to load the filter in the script...am I right??? so there for I should be able to preview the effect....

################################################## ###########
# This file provides convenient Avisynth interfaces to #
# various VirtualDub plugins. Load it in your script with: #
# #
# Import("vdfilters.avs") #
################################################## ###########

################################################## ######
# Change VirtualDub_plugin_directory below to point to #
# the directory containing your VirtualDub plugins. #
################################################## ######

global VirtualDub_plugin_directory = "c:\temp tracks\games\VirtualDub-1.4.13-MPEG2-AC3"



################################
# Unsharp Mask by Donald Graft #
################################

function VD_UnsharpMask(clip clip, int "diameter", int "strength", int "threshold",
\ bool "interlaced", int "mask_top", int "mask_bottom",
\ int "mask_left", int "mask_right")
{
LoadVirtualdubPlugin(VirtualDub_plugin_directory+" \unsharp.vdf", "_VD_UnsharpMask", 1)
return clip._VD_UnsharpMask(default(diameter,5), default(strength,160),
\ default(threshold,30), default(mask_left,0), default(mask_right,0),
\ default(mask_bottom,0), default(mask_top,0), default(interlaced,false)?1:0)
}

[DJRumpy]

thefox, you have to call the vdub import script first, and then you have to call the fuction. It would look something like this (of course you would have to plug in the values of your VD_UnsharpMask function, like the {int "diameter" setting might be something like 3 instead of int "diameter" ):

avisource("c:\blah\blah.avi"
Import("c:\blah\vdfilters.avs")
VD_UnsharpMask(int "diameter", int "strength", int "threshold",
interlaced, int "mask_top", int "mask_bottom",
int "mask_left", int "mask_right")

You don't actually put the import script into your main script. You only call the function you want from the vdub import script.

Quigonsean, I'll assume your .AVS script is in the same directory as your source. You should also get the IVTC filter from the DGRAFT site. If your using version 2.0 of AVISynth, go here:
http://shelob.mordor.net/dgraft/decomb/decomblegacy.html
if your using version 2.5 beta, go here:
http://shelob.mordor.net/dgraft/decomb/decombnew.html
You should also have the MPEG2DEC.DLL plugin for avisynth. We'll use it to clean up your video, with a temporal smoother. You can drop these DLL's into your AVI's directory (or system path), or specify the explicit path to them in the script if you don't put them in the same directory.
For this example, I'll assume your using 2.0, as it's more stable. The IVTC filter will return your capture to 23.976 (Film) framerates, and improve the quality in one fell swoop. Note, that this filter is very sensitive to position. Sometimes you must place it after any crop or resize functions. If your output is garbled, try moving the two lines in RED. You may also have to play with the CROP values, specifically the 96 value, and the 360 value. Test your output to make sure the crop command isn't cutting too far into your image area (I purposely leave about a 10pixel width of black border unless it's noisy from VHS heads). It should just clip a pixel or three of your actual image area at most. Last but not least, leave the parts in red or blue commented out until your ready to encode. They will make previewing your script in media player difficult, because they slow down processing so much. When your satisfied with your output, then you can uncomment them:

AVISource("starwars.avi")
LoadPlugin("DecombLegacy.dll")
LoadPlugin("mpeg2dec.dll")
ConvertToYUY2()
Crop(0,96,720,282)
BicubicResize(720,360)
AddBorders(0,60,0,60)
Telecide(guide=1)
Decimate(cycle=5)
TemporalSmoother(2,3)
AssumeFPS(23.976,False)

Add the Assume FPS line to ensure output is precisely 23.976 frames per second. It will come out odd sometimes, like 23.977 or somesuch. Don't worry about audio sync as you'll be processing it in BeSweet GUI (PAL to FILM). Just extract your audio in VirtualDub to a WAV file, and process it in BeSweet using BeSweet GUI.

Again, remember that the DECOM filter is very sensitive to placement. I don't have my script at work, so I can't be sure where I placed it. Get it wrong, and your video will look like an old TV set, with a tuner problem. You can move the two lines in red to different places in the script, as long as they are after the 'LoadPlugin' lines.

[Quigonsean]

DJ- Thanks, I really appriciate it. I'll give it a go when I can get of my lazy butt. I forgot to mention I am using NTSC,mpeg2 if that makes a differance. I tell ya I made my first dvd9>dvdr after reading 1 guide without refering back to, it was StarWars Ep2 of all, and it came out great. I been figuring out Maestro pretty good. But I cannot get ahold on Avisynth, it like reading ancient greek or something. Thanks for your help.

Sean

[thefox149]

thanks for all the help from this thread I am using avisynth like a mad man..

I believe morre peolpe should be using this...

Here is a comparison not sure if you have done your own

With the same vdub filters vs avisynth filters

VDub 0.293 average upto 0.301
Avisyth 0.583 average upto 0.693)

[DJRumpy]

Yeah, once you discover it, you never go back. The speed, and flexability from this thing is a beauty to behold, and the price...

I take it the import script worked?

[Dragonsf]

And don't forget the best (IMHO):it's a simple text file, so you can generate any statements with other programs (awk for ex.).
Some filters (copare) produce readable logfile, so can analyse them and generate other avisynth scripts.
Testing is easy and you have a lot of functions/filters.

[DJRumpy]

If your planning on getting seriously into it, I'd suggest you start at the top of the command list, and work your way though them from top to bottom, so your familiar with the workings of each one. I'm having a hard time getting to like the new beta version. My old plugin's don't work, some of which I use pretty heavily (like mpeg2dec). Has anyone done any speed comparisons between the two?

[Quigonsean]

DJ- I have not tried the script yet. I get lazy, see I have 6 herniated discs as so I don't work. Because of this I have to get really fired up to tie up the pcfor multiple hours. I get all like man I don't wanna sit here for 6 hours without the comp. As such it takes me considerably longer than most to author and encode as I work spuradically. I have tried just loading both a small .m2v file and a small .d2v file only 20 second long file into cce using a script with no filters or pluggins etc.. just the mpeg2dec.dll set as "Load Pluiggin" and then tried mpegsource =, Directshow Source=, and Avui source=. None worked it seems to encode, it runs 3 passes, but when I load the resultent file in Media player (That is encoded file) screen is black text red and says something like error in line2, or incorrect line2. Line2 is mpegsource = line. I tried this:

LoadPlugin("C:\WINNT\mpeg2dec.dll")
mpeg2source("c:\movies\esb.m2v")

Saved as "test.avs" Using the quotes to get the correct extension. Which it does I got a copy of it on a DVD-RAM disc I keep for backing up Video tools, Documments, Web Pages, pdf guides etc... on It has the right icon, and says Avisynth File. I found a link with a basic script that has the commands for loading the mpeg2dec.dll and the video file written differantly than the 3 ways I've seen aroun here I'm gonna try. I really wanna use your script I wanna get it in true Anamorphic W/S. Trying to make it as pro as TPM, and AOTC. Am using Maestro, putting the interview with Lucas, the trailers, and scene selection. I downloaded the Subs but they are in .txt format, they have the frame numbers with the lines and all so I'm hoping I can find something to convert to Maestro Friendly form. I also found them on some foreighn page they are english, have not unziped to see what format they are, but the link I followed to them was from a post here from someone who got subs there and converted. I also found the conversion proggie he used. I just hope when I unzip the subs any info I need besides the subs themself are not in a language I can't read which leaves english or basic basic Arabic, but though I can read Arabic, I don't know the deffinition of the words I'm reading so that leaves me with English. But I really want this DVD to Rival the Store bought Star Wars. Well the video won't I cap in mpeg2 NTSC at 29.97fps, but using Aver EasyDVD and WinDVR with its built in on the fly Smart Deinterlacing, and smothing filter the caps do come out really nice at 720x480. I grab the sound in mp1L2 48,000@384 then use BeSweet to goto ac3. Man I got soft encode 5.1 I wish I could use that to get a 5.1stream from my stereo stream. I probably have the tools to do it just not the patients, I used to be in a band, and to save cash I built my pc into a nice multi track studio. Heck my pro audi card cost $1500 when I got it 6 years ago, it has true 24/96, 8 balanced/unbalanced inputs 1/4 in, 10 ioutputs 1/4in balanced or unbalanced, Midi in, out, and through, SP/DIF in out(Says something about professional somthin or another on sp/dif, dunno, didn't know there was a consumer, and pro level), Midi timeclock external hookups, and smpte time clock compatable. It has no game port, not even a cd in connector. All connections are on a full rack space breakout box connected with a 3meter cable that looks like a printer cable on steroids. I also have a Phillips Acoustic edge, I like that it has 5.1 analog, and digital. Sp/dif in/out, mic in, line in, plus the dsp will play/conver any stereo media file even the audio from media player plaing vid, into 5.1 instead of duping the front speakers in the rear. It ain't 100% but it makes stereo only DVD's, and games sound much better, not 100% accurate in placement of sound, but damn close. Yeah if my $50 sound card can turn stereo into 5.1 and get the positioning very close, some software for transcoding has gotta, I just gotta find it. "Till the it's Stereo ac3 with BeSweet. Anyway thank you for the help, I will get Avisynth eventually, heck my first DVD backup ever was Star Ward Ep2 AOTC, and I got that right 1st time with ac3 sound in sync chapterers etc... Without having to post, just from reading 2-3 guides then trying. If I can do that I can figure this out. Heck like I said I got Maestro from Uncle Ronnie when he died got disc, dongle, but no manual and figured most of what I need out from trial and error, and the few guides out there, Although I finally found and D/L the manual and did read it from cover to cover if thar term applies to a pdf doc. Have you read it? It ain't to bad 'till ya get to the section on programming codes like your "If, then" sequences, that I'm still fuzzy on, but I'm not using it yet so I worry not about it now. Anyway thanks for all the help.
btw sorry if there is lots-o-typo's, my cat keeps tooloing across my keyboard. Thats what I get for setting up the Pc next to my bed with monitor on rotating raising hospital table and mouse and keyboiard on bed. But its worth it, with my back I can't sit at a desk for long, this way I can stretch out heck I fall asleep all the time net surfing wake up with hand on mouse and 800 windows open. But I got my tv sittying on a window a/c unit at the foot of my bed rigged to run not in a window so I can throw on a flick, crank the a/c till I can see my owne breath, ad start Cappin,encoding, or surfing. But with keyboard on bed, the cat likes to tool back and forth on it for some odd reason.

Thanks once again,

Sean Ward

[DJRumpy]

Your script error lies in the second line. Your trying to open the actual .M2V file, and not the DVD2AVI project file ( .D2V ). It should look like this:

LoadPlugin("mpeg2dec.dll")
mpeg2source("c:\movies\esb.D2V")

If your "mpeg2dec.dll" file is in your system path (which it is when it's in your WINNT directory, but you should put it in your System32 directory), you don't have to sepcify the full path to it. The same is true to some extent for your .D2V file If your script is in the same directory as your .D2V, or AVI file, then you can just put the filename like so:

mpeg2source("esb.d2v")

Note: your mpeg2source line would of course have to have the correct filename for your D2V project file. You should ALWAYS check your script by simply ragging and dropping it onto Media Player, or you can simply make media player the default program to open .AVS scripts with. Then you can just double click it as if it was a standard AVI, and watch your script results realtime.

[thefox149]

I had my sister's wedding video and she wanted a highligts clip of about 20mins

So I my longest script and it worked like a charm

it included clip=trim,dissolve fade out, cropping,virtualdub filters ,levels,bicubicresize.......it was a lot of fun and I felt more in control instead of using appa like ulead videostudio