Question about recorders with and without a hd

[nickw]

Due to the lack of media with the DVD-RAM/DVD-R HD recorders, what are the DVD+R/+RW recorders like? Can you edit commericals etc off of a DVD+R/+RW recorder?

[thxkid]

nope, only can erase the entire +RW, thats why I love the Ram's work just like a hard drive.
But keep this in mind APEX is releasing around July a DVD player /40 gig hard disc recorder for $249 list price with DVD+R\+RW recorder also for less than $300 the hard disc recorder is model ADR-1000 the DVD recoder is DRX-9000, they plan to manufacture and sell 1.5 million of the +R DVD recorders, so much for this format so called dead by the -R members.
expect by christmas DVD recorders to be less than $200, lets see what Panasonic, Toshiba, Sony and Yamaha's answer is to this.

see this article also.
http://www.soundandvisionmag.com/article.asp?section_id=2&article_id=386

and this
http://www.audiovideoforum.com/features/ces/2003/day2_page1.html

[hothandiman]

Just one problem kid, the + format can not act like a Tvio where you can "pause" live action and pick up on it where you left off. This is where DVD RAM comes in. Of course, ONLY DVD - (that's minus!) recorders also use DVD RAM, which is yet another reason proving the failure of the R+ format!

Hey, this is a joke, I know what a devote follower of the + format you are. Regards

[oldfart13]

The DVD standalone recorder is similar to the Panasonic E30/50 in that it has no hard drive. It can do edits in the +RW mode, but that's it. I know a lot of people are looking for units with hard drives in them for advanced editing (I know I am). If you want the specs on Apex's 2003 line go here:

http://www.apexdigitalinc.com/images/APEXDVD.PDF

Too bad also that the players don't play any form of DivX. I guess they don't want to P.O. the recording industry in the USA...

[Gil T Pleasure]

nickw,

Here's a brief summary:

DVD-RAM
Pros:
* Acts like HDD so you it can act a DVR/PVR
* Deleted segments are reclaimed

Cons:
* Not compatible with most DVD players/roms

DVD+RW
Pros:
* Editing features like delete/hide/overwrite segments
* Compatible with most DVD players/roms

Cons:
* Deleted segments are not reclaimed

It's like having a cake.. you can't have one and eat it too.

So there you go. Choose your poison.

[Erwin]

"DVD-RAM
Pros:
* Acts like HDD so you it can act a DVR/PVR
* Deleted segments are reclaimed

Cons:
* Not compatible with most DVD players/roms"

Another pro is that DVD-RAM can re-written 100,000 times or more compared to DVD+RW's 1,000 times or more.


Panasonic does currently sell a progessive-scan DVD player that will play DVD-RAM for $99 @ Wal-Mart or less online.

[Erwin]

"expect by christmas DVD recorders to be less than $200, lets see what Panasonic, Toshiba, Sony and Yamaha's answer is to this. "

They will simply lower their price also. It would be stupid for them to do it now since there is no competition from Apex at this time. I think Apex is great for people who want to spend as little as possible on a DVD Player, but, to me, I have always seen Apex as the Kia of the DVD Player market. However, I want a Honda, not a Kia