I've been working on this problem for many months and I'm just frustrated at this point. I've even contacted a well know author on the subject of windows media, he uses dvd2avi, every copy of this program that I can find doesn't do a direct conversion from vob to windows media, the link http://www.connectedhomemag.com/Visual/Articles/Index.cfm?ArticleID=26092 . You have to use TEMPEnc. I would even settle for a two step process, just something that works. An individual on these boards suggested that I use a video server through Ulead, that would be wonderful if I could actually get the server to work correctly. Any suggestions would be great at this point. Thanks