HD DVD player's with Blue laser will not support DVD+R

[spiderman2k1]

I just bought a DRU500AX to burn both format's. Well I real bought it to save money on DVD-R and DVD+R with rebate's so I can buy any format. And when one format is sold out just buy the other format. I do this alot at Staple's Maxell's DVD-+R's go on sale one rebate for one house hold so I buy DVD-R five pack and a DVD+R five pack. Now all the movie's and TV show's I burn only the DVD-R will play on the Blue laser format. Now DVD+R will not work on the new DVD player's. It Just goes to show you if it not approved by the company that made the technology your alway's taken a risk down the road. Now I have to think if I want to bring back my DRU500AX LOL

[neomaine]

Do you have the article or a link you can share with us? Not that I don't trust you, just haven't heard of this issue yet.

[furball6969]

Sony and their Blu-ray cohorts will be licensing the technology so, just because Sony decided not to include +R readability in their current drive doesn't mean that other manufacturers won't. I can't see it being a technical issue that a Blu-ray drive cannot somehow physically read a +R disc.

[yg1968]

Sony's Blu-ray machine will be able to play red-laser discs using the DVD-R and DVD-RW formats, but not those using the DVD-RAM or DVD+RW formats.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&cid=569&ncid=738&e=1&u=/nm/20030303/tc_nm...ch_sony_dvd_dc

[Gazorgan]

1) Blue-Ray is Debuting in Japan.
2) Virtually no one in Japan uses +R.

Don't think because the marketing hype doesn't include +R in Japan, that the US release version won't lose sales because it can't read existing +R/W media :P

[Guyver]

No problem, just because Sony didn't include the option doesn't mean others won't. I've got my money on Phillips for bringing out one that will support DVD+RW

[spiderman2k1]

It's all here no DVD+R will be supported


http://www.emedialive.com/r3/2002/news1102_01.html

[Guyver]

It's all here no DVD+R will be supported


http://www.emedialive.com/r3/2002/news1102_01.html

Still just 3 manufacturers, other may still come with a player that will support DVD+RW.

[mpb]

I just bought a DRU500AX to burn bith format's. Well I real bought it to save money on DVD-R and DVD+R with rebate's so I can buy any format. And when one format is sold out just buy the other format. I do this alot at Staple's Maxell's DVD's go one sale one rebate for one house hold so I buy DVD-R five pack and a DVD+R format. Now all the movie's and TV show's I burn only the DVD-R will play on the Blue laser format. Now DVD+R will not work on the new DVD player's. It Just goes to show you if it not approved by the company that made the technology your alway's taken a risk down the road. Now I have to think if I want to bring back my DRU500AX LOL

I wouldn't worry about it... for a long time there was no BURNER that supported both, and as you know from your own experience, now there is.

It's only a matter of time before someone makes a dual-standard player - and given the amount of cross-pollination in formats of DVD players on store shelves today (VCD, SVCD, MP3, etc), I expect it will become standard for the plus formats to be readable.

[thxkid]

excuse me, GUYS, but ever read a panasonic DVD recorder Manual, Daaa, its says right in there in BLABK AND WHITE, that these recorders do not support or will not play DVD+R, I have the DMR-E10 and the E20 and both play my +R formats perfect, actually I can get +R to play in ALL DVD's that quote they will not support or play +R formats so its just all bullshit.
The little program that allows the +R to play in any DVD player is called a BITSETTER and I you know for a fact that they will just come out with a newer version that will bypass whatever crap Sony and the rest put in there to not read it, heck you gonna believe them when they are telling you that Blue Ray is not hackable also.

[spiderman2k1]

thxkid please do not use bad word's on this forum. Any way I real do not know why sony that support DVD+R is not making it work with DVD+R. Well I real think that the www.DVDforum.com is going to use this new blue laser to kill DVD+R. One it's taking money way from them and they do not like it. There is alos other DVD format called DVD-Slim. Real see this as some thing the DVD orum can use to kill what ever get's in it's way. Second the DVD Forum is made up of over 230 companies. Most of them just make home DVD player's the companies that make DVD burner's real do not make home player's. the only two companies that make both home DVD player's are Pioneer and Sony I think HP is start to make home stuff to. And if the DVD furom say's you have to use this laser or you can not make a DVD player. Companies will only make a player with that laser and if it does not support DVD+R your out of luck. I just want to say I hope I'm wrong about this blue laser alot of people that bought DVD+R drive's are going to be mad. I my self am a little mad I just bought a DRU500AX. Do I think they can make a blue laser to read DVD+R I would think so but if DVDfurom want to be bunch of jerk's they now have the power to be jerk's and I do not know if there any thing any one can do about it

[disturbed1]

Don't get your hopes up about Blue Ray supporting DVD+R.

The DVD Forum Steering Committee has established two subgroups to examine blue-laser technology

It's licensed by the DVD Forum, meaning it's an official spec like DVD-R. DVD+R never has been, nor ever will be a specification, it's only a format supported by a handful of companies, HP, Philips, and 3-5 others.

The company that brought the most attention to the format (Sony) has dropped future support for it. That's gotta be a huge shocker to the +R guys.

It doesn't matter if one is better or not, what matters is that DVD-R in an officially supported format by the DVD Forum. Which in turn is in charge of dishing out that little DVD logo on everyone's players. All future DVD players are gaurenteed to play DVD-R, if it plays DVD+R consider it a bonus.

[spiderman2k1]

I do know that Sony home deck DVD record is going to be DVD-R DVD-RW and DVD+RW no DVD+R also all Sony PC's that come with DVD burner's are DVD-RW made by Pioneer it even say's it on there website. I know why Sony and Philip's brought out DVD+R. Compact DISC had a 25 year pattern on it and Sony and Philips want to keep there pattern. So they update there compact Disc pattern and made DVD+RW this way they own the pattern another 25 year's

[yg1968]

I have to other agree with some of the other posts. Even if Sony says that it is not tested for DVD+R doesn't mean that it will not work. I would be surprised to find that their recorder doesn't work with DVD+R but somehow magically works with DVD-R.

The article may have assumed this fact because Sony did not mention DVD+R and +RW compability in its press release (which apparently is not surprising given that +R is not much of a factor in Japan):

https://www.videohelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=146660

http://www.dvdplusrw.org/cgi/forum/ikonboard.cgi?s=414e3f4e0e3131f6c1b1fdc717082dcc;ac...=ST;f=3;t=5725

http://babelfish.altavista.com/babelfish/urltrurl?lp=ja_en&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.sony.j...3%2F03-0303%2F

[THE RIPPER]

What do you expect from a unofficial format.

[w00tski]

whats the bet it does read +R/RW. Furthermore, whats the bet when you do get a blu-ray writer in 3-4years time, it not only reads +r/rw, but will write in -r/rw, +r/rw, cd-r/rw too. Fact? No, just my opinion. I wasnt expecting my dvd writer to write to cd's, but it does. Its a new technology, DVD is, relative to cd-r, yet it writes to CD's as well. I have a STRONG feeling the blu-ray will do the same. Hell, when the 2 DVD formats came out, i did not expect there to be a drive that could actually write to both of them. But look at Sony, and there's another 5-6 drives/companies releasing them later this year.

[disturbed1]

I have to other agree with some of the other posts. Even if Sony says that it is not tested for DVD+R doesn't mean that it will not work. I would be surprised to find that their recorder doesn't work with DVD+R but somehow magically works with DVD-R.

The article may have assumed this fact because Sony did not mention DVD+R and +RW compability in its press release (which apparently is not surprising given that +R is not much of a factor in Japan):

https://www.videohelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=146660

http://www.dvdplusrw.org/cgi/forum/ikonboard.cgi?s=414e3f4e0e3131f6c1b1fdc717082dcc;ac...=ST;f=3;t=5725

http://babelfish.altavista.com/babelfish/urltrurl?lp=ja_en&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.sony.j...3%2F03-0303%2F

The official press release has no mention of DVD+R.

Playback: Blue ray disk * , DVD video, DVD-RW (video and VR mode),
DVD-R (video mode), CD for music, CD-R (CD-DA), CD-RW (CD-DA)

This doesn't mean it won't play, just that it is unsupported. Most industry heavyweights don't/won't support the DVD+R format.

Why?

The purposes of the Forum, as stated in the Forum's Charter, are (1) to establish the single DVD Format for each of the DVD application products, including revisions, improvements and enhancements, that would be in the best interests of consumers and users, and (2) to encourage the broad acceptance of DVD Formats on a worldwide basis among members of the Forum, related industries and the public.

Notice single DVD Format. The DVD Forum controls the licensing for DVD Video players. If you made hardware DVD products which route would you go? 230+ world wide members, or 5 or so idependants?


What w00tski proposed I would agree with, except the writing to DVD+R. I feel the DVD Forum might put a new gotcha in it's papers that says the technology can only be used on DVD Forum approved formats, and inclusion of support for any other format (ie DVD+R) would violate this or that.

IMO, if it reads DVD-R, it'll read DVD+R, and vice versus.

[bokkasrealm]

Bye Bye +R! At least no one wasted a thousand dollars on +R burners.

[yg1968]

Like I said before, it seems that the article was incorrect. The Sony press release does not mention anything about +R / +RW support. The writer incorrectly assumed that this meant no support for +RW. I guess that we will find out soon enough whether it does support it or not.

DVD+R will work on just about anything. So you can almost take for granted that DVD+R will work. I would not be surprised that DVD+RW also works (with or without the bitsetting utility).

Anyways, Toshiba says that it doesn't support +R but DVD+R and +RW disks usually work on their DVD players or DVD-ROM.

To be continued...

[mrdish2000]

Blu-ray standard is created outside DVD Forum. DVD Forum are still considering both of the competing blue laser optical disc formats (Blu-ray and AOD), and has formed two subcommittees to study them.

So, both DVDplusRW and Blu-ray are not DVD Forum standard.