Forty-Two Burning, let me get this straight

[tgpo]

If I create an SVCD I shouldn't use Toast to burn it as a Multitrack CD-ROM XA??? But instead I should use missing media burner? I was wondering because I burned one using Toast and after some bumps I got my DVD player to play them, but it really doesn't like it. Could this be caused by me burning with Toast?

[galactica]

Interesting.

I never burn my SVCD's with anything but toast. However, I never use the Multitrack option.

All I do is select Disk Image, drop the .bin and hit burn. These play fine on my DVD (Apex AD1100W) and i am then able to put this cd back into my computer, burn it as an image to my HD and then using Video Lan, open the toast image and watch the movie on my computer.

To date I have never used the .cue's I just toss them. This has worked for me forever!

Believe it or not, but I tried the GUI based SVCD burners and such, and they dont play very nicely in my dvd. I mean they do, only after putting the disk in, selecting TOP MENU, and pushing #1 on my remote, like I would to access the 1st tab of the Menu. But the SVCD dont have a menu, so its just a blue screen. It took me months to figure this out, actually I think i accidently sat on the remote and it just started playing so I said "there has got to be a button that works!!"

Now, toast disk image, plop it in and push play, and it works.

Where is this going, ohhh! I dont think its toast, if toast works better than missing media burner for me!

Could be your dvd player??

[bilestyle]

the bin files being accepted into toast in cd-rom XA mode (when SVCD) are NOT burned properly at all, not if you patch them or anything, the only way to make a valid burn of these bin/cues in toast is to convert to 2 cd-rom XA images with something along the lines of vcdtoolsx. cdrdao (mmb) is the easiest and most proper route to go with burning SVCD.

[tgpo]

Strange. I just tried one using missing media burner and my DVD player didn't accept it at all. Nothing played! Kinda weird.

[tgpo]

I got it, and it works perfect! I used vcdtoolsX to convert it. Before I was just burning the cue in missing media burner, and not converting.

[galactica]

im confused as to what you mean by converting the files?

Is my method above incorrect? The svcd's play on my player, but the only complaint i have is the last 1-2 min is always pixelated and jumpy.

is this because I am not using the .cue files?
Any help is appreciated

I have just been droping the .bin files into the DISK IMAGE option of toast and hitting burn.

Is this incorrect????

[jefwest]

Yes galactica, this method you are using is incorrect. It will work 90% of the time, and sometimes the svcd's will play fine, however, you will get weird things.....like a) you can't fast forward.....or b) you can't skip 5 minutes at a time....or use the apex's goto function......stuff like that. The SVCD's are not being burned properly by just dropping the bin. Now, if you want to burn it properly in toast, you must do some stuff. First, rip the .mpg out of the .bin with vcd toolsx, then use VCDXGEN to generate two .img files, make sure to add the "pregap" option in the xml file.....i forget what the command is exactly but search google for "burning SVCD macintosh toast" or something and you'll get taken to gnuvcdtools homepage where they have tutorials on this. So you will really get 3 files, just throw away the pregap one it's only like 2 k. Now draw track1.iimg into toast in cdrom XA mode, then drag track 2 in, track 2 should be really big. This will ALWAYS work and ALWAYS generate great compliant SVCDs that work in all SVCD players. You may have been getting luck or your apex might be more accepting than mine, but my 1500 wasn't liking .bin's burned in toast. So when bilestyle talks of converting, he's talking using the videocd.xml file that gnu gives you to generate .iimg's that you can burn in multi-track xa mode. ENJOY! I would personally just recommend missing media burner, but hey, to each his own.

West

[tgpo]

I'd have to say it is incorrect, but what do I know...I'm still learning

I'll document exactly how I did it and post it here tomarrow.

[dj_yerba]

hey jefwest
do you add the text line <option name="track pregap" value="152" /> in the .xml file, is that line really necesary?

[galactica]

Yes galactica, this method you are using is incorrect. It will work 90% of the time, and sometimes the svcd's will play fine, however, you will get weird things.....like a) you can't fast forward.....or b) you can't skip 5 minutes at a time....or use the apex's goto function......stuff like that. The SVCD's are not being burned properly by just dropping the bin. Now, if you want to burn it properly in toast, you must do some stuff. First, rip the .mpg out of the .bin with vcd toolsx, then use VCDXGEN to generate two .img files, make sure to add the "pregap" option in the xml file.....i forget what the command is exactly but search google for "burning SVCD macintosh toast" or something and you'll get taken to gnuvcdtools homepage where they have tutorials on this. So you will really get 3 files, just throw away the pregap one it's only like 2 k. Now draw track1.iimg into toast in cdrom XA mode, then drag track 2 in, track 2 should be really big. This will ALWAYS work and ALWAYS generate great compliant SVCDs that work in all SVCD players. You may have been getting luck or your apex might be more accepting than mine, but my 1500 wasn't liking .bin's burned in toast. So when bilestyle talks of converting, he's talking using the videocd.xml file that gnu gives you to generate .iimg's that you can burn in multi-track xa mode. ENJOY! I would personally just recommend missing media burner, but hey, to each his own.

West

THANKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Maybe this will correct the problem I have been having on the last 1min of video!

I will give it a try. Question, do I need to do this for ALL of them? What about the .bin and .cue's that Forty-Two v1.5 creates?

Same thing? or are those good to go just using missing media burner?

This is the best news ever! I just assumed it was my player since the last min or two of each disk would lock up and freeze.

Thanks again!

[jefwest]

yup dj_yerba, you do add <option pregap> thing line in a certain spot in the xml. I don't know if it's necessary........but i use it, i figure err on the side of caution. Galactica, not a problem, happy to help Just follow the tutorial on burning an svcd in toast, p.s i found the tutorial....

http://www.sbpr.a.se/systemjammers/vcdtoolsx/svcd_tutorial.html

[galactica]

So I am new to missing media burner

I downloaded it and upon opening selected CD-RW and since my type of drive was not listed (i have pioneer that comes with MDD) i chose generic.

I went to burn disk tab, and upon pushing browse, nothing browses?

Did i do something wrong? I have another one cdrdao 1.1.7 and I tried this one

here is the terminal message:
Last login: Thu Feb 20 19:42:22 on ttyp1
cd /Volumes/LittleGuy/Downloads/Burning\ for\ MaciWelcome to Darwin!
ntosh/cdrdao\ 1.1.7/MissingMediaBurner.app//Conten[pcp01711117pcs:~] ae1152% cd /Volumes/LittleGuy/Downloads/Burning\ for\ Macintosh/cdrdao\ 1.1.7/MissingMediaBurner.app//Contents/Resources/bin
./cdrdao write --device IOCompact[pcp01711117pcs:Contents/Resources/bin] ae1152% ./cdrdao write --device IOCompactDiscServices --driver cdd2600 --speed 8 -v 2 /Volumes/LittleGuy/Downloads/About\ Schmidt\ SVCD/vcd-as1.cue
Cdrdao version 1.1.7 - (C) Andreas Mueller <andreas@daneb.de>
SCSI interface library - (C) Joerg Schilling
Paranoia DAE library - (C) Monty

Check http://cdrdao.sourceforge.net/drives.html#dt for current driver tables.

ERROR: Cannot open SCSI device 'IOCompactDiscServices': No matching device IOCompactDiscServices found.
ERROR: Please use option '--device bus,id,lun', e.g. --device 0,6,0
ERROR: Cannot setup device IOCompactDiscServices.
[pcp01711117pcs:Contents/Resources/bin] ae1152%

i have tried all of the driver options, and same message appears

help

does this have something to do with where the app and files are located??

[galactica]

I also just checked the list of cd-rw and drivers you should use

I have a Phillips CDD5101 CD-RW/DVD (combo drive) and its not on the list.

Does that mean I cannot use missing media burner? This is the default drive that apple installed in my computer.

Thanks guys

[jefwest]

galactica, i would suggest just choosing generic-mmc-raw as your driver, then browse for your queue file. choose it and hit burn. It will open up a terminal and it will burn nicely hopefully. I haven't used mmb in awhile i just the cdrdao gui by rnc, but hey, mmb should work just like it, it's all cdrdao underneath Enjoy!

[rockinsage]

I also just checked the list of cd-rw and drivers you should use

I have a Phillips CDD5101 CD-RW/DVD (combo drive) and its not on the list.

I have the same drive, and believe it or not, I had to choose the DVD-R/RW (not CD-R/RW), and generic-mmc-raw as the driver. Works like a charm...

[galactica]

That was it!
Thanks
It seems to be working now!

[galactica]

I also just checked the list of cd-rw and drivers you should use

I have a Phillips CDD5101 CD-RW/DVD (combo drive) and its not on the list.

I have the same drive, and believe it or not, I had to choose the DVD-R/RW (not CD-R/RW), and generic-mmc-raw as the driver. Works like a charm...

You guys are the best!!!
After burning both disks, i can now watch them to completion with no skipping, poping or freezing!!!!!!!

Thanks for all the help everyone~!

[KaiCherry]

I also just checked the list of cd-rw and drivers you should use

I have a Phillips CDD5101 CD-RW/DVD (combo drive) and its not on the list.

I have the same drive, and believe it or not, I had to choose the DVD-R/RW (not CD-R/RW), and generic-mmc-raw as the driver. Works like a charm...

Any optical drive that provides *any* DVD services on MacOSX is handled by IODVDServices...

So its perfectly believable

-K