How To Fit 4-5 Movie Vcd's On 1 DVD-R

[bluess227]

hey all i got some old ripped dvd's in vcd format and im trying to find the best way to fit them on 1 dvd-r so far here is my dillemma...ive tried plenty of different authoring apps most of them demux and reencode on there own making the filesize almost double...

the only cool program i found that can do this is spruceup because it lets me replace the audio with mpa which makes it a bit less in filesize but spruceup is very limited in features/menus and a bit buggy so i was wondering if there is any other program that can help me fit 4-5 120 minute vcd's onto a dvd-r...

ive tried ulead products and wasted atleast 10 cds due to there annoying audio going out of sync problem and i cant really find any other good program that doesnt reencode standard vcd or its audio.(sonicdvd/mydvd)


basically i need a authoring program that accepts m1v/mpa of a vcd/svcd with some cool menu features or anything besides spruceup for that matter..

would appreciate any help with this thanks....Great Forum....

[Ndb;-))]

Ulead DVD Workshop 1.2 will take your VCD's and only re-encode the audio (as VCD is 44k/DVD needs 48k). Only VCD and not SVCD as VCD is DVD compliant, but SVCD is not (CVD is).

Plus you can have motion menus/buttons etc.

I hope this helps - Ndb)

[KYUSS]

or you could try my guide m8......
http://www.dvd-secrets.co.uk/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=18373

written with info and ideas from this forum.

[bluess227]

thanks for the tip ndb what i usually do is use TMPGenc to split the mpg into m1v/mp2 then i decode the mp2 to 48000 and rename it to mpa but the problem is all ulead products i have tried end up with the audio being out of sync...

ive seen a tremendous amount of posts at these forums about ulead and out of sync issues so i basically gave up on that whole company..

still looking for a great program

ill read up on your guide kyuss thanks guys...


if anyone else has any more suggestions feel free...Thanks..

[mmasw]

"what i usually do is use TMPGenc to split the mpg into m1v/mp2 then i decode the mp2 to 48000 and rename it to mpa but the problem is all ulead products i have tried end up with the audio being out of sync... "

that's what happened to me until I got wise about ULead....

not that you can't use their product for this....I have and do.

I use Ulead DVD Movie Factory 2 to put VCD compliant video onto DVD-R. I've made about a dozen DVD's that way without audio sync problems. Simply put....don't waste your time re-encoding audio from 44000 to 48000 using TMp or Besweet or whatever....let ULead re-encode the audio and it remains in sync....at least it has for me about a dozen times.

I simply created a template in the DVD template section using VCD video settings and 48000hz audio at 224Kbs. Do this after adding your video files in the pop-up disc template manager. Then edit your clips with chapters, sub-chapters, menu's etc. . Get it ready to "burn/create", then start it before going to bed, and ULead will re-encode the audio (in sync) while you sleep(I have 1 Ghz Athlon.....takes about 6 hours). Also, I don't burn the disc at the end.....I only create the DVD file/title set. After your computer has been chugging away for 6 hours re-encoding, your RAM....well at least my RAM.....will be in shambles, so I choose to reboot before burning; it's better to have "pristine" memory to reduce the risk of coasters. So I simply use Nero, or RecordNowDX, or InstantDVD and burn the title sets as UDF DVD-ROM.....voila!, audio in sync.

By the way, I've used SpruceUp as well. Very tedious, time-consuming and buggy. Better Menu creation then with ULead though.

[bluess227]

i was using that exact program (ULEAD dvd movie factory2)
i wasnt importing mpa into there just the original mpg ulead would decode fine and create a titleset but nomatter what i tried the audio was out of sync i even downloaded the 2 patches they have on there site and no go

i then noticed something strange i loaded 1 of the vob files into windvd and played it and that was out of sync so its not like it was a burning fault the sync problem seemed to have occured during uleads decoding/encoding...

i couldnt believe now many other posts i found at this forum with users experiencing the same exact thing so im really not sure what to do

i also had another strange problem with ulead dvd movie factory there were times when i would load 3 or 4 (120) min movies and uleads menu would tell me it adds up to 3.7 gigs but would end up creating a 7.3 gig title set..
i even chose the option for 6 hours low quality and it still made the title set just about double....weirrrd have u ever experienced this yourself??or is it just me...
any other ideas are appreciated

Thanks Again mmasw..

[Ndb;-))]

Are you re-encoding the video too???

i even chose the option for 6 hours low quality and it still made the title set just about double....weirrrd

DVD MF2 can use compliant video (like VCD) without the need to re-encode. As for out of sync audio with Ulead products, never had any except for badly split avi's (i.e. people who don't chop on keyframes).

The only thing DVD MF2 don't really like is 23fps-29fps pull-down NTSC movies, as it cocks up the chapters etc.

[mmasw]

bluess227:

I composed a wonderful reply, hit submit and it dissappeared into a virtual vortex.

Try again.

First, I'm by no means an expert, so what I say may very well be BS. I did see this method in a thread here, or maybe in Doom's forum.

Second, you could do evertything exactly as I do and still have sync problems due to things I don't understand. It also could be a problem of elevation.

Elevation you ask? Well, I had my PC on the desktop so when it started to act up it became rather painful....punching a metal box hurts your hand a lot. So, I moved it down to the floor by my feet. Now when it acts up, kicking it is painless....depending on footwear of course. You may want to try this for your audio sync frustration. Plus, there's the added bonus that you'll become adept at replacing hard drives.

Anyway, I forgot to mention that you must check the box " do not convert compliant MPG". This is critical.

You mentioned using one of the default templates of ULead. That could certainly screw you up. You may then be convering CBR MPG-1 to VBR MPG-2. Would seem to be a lot of potential for audio sync problems in that. It may also explain the doubling in size of the title set. You need to create a new template using VCD video: CBR 1150Kbs. And the audio need to be 44Khz so ULead can convert it. Every time I converted the audio to 48Khz prior to using ULead, it was out of sync as well.

not sure this will help....you may have already tried it.

[bluess227]

well ive reinstalled ulead dvdmf2 followed all the tips and instructions from this forum/post but still get the exact same problem the audio is out of sync..

and spruceup authored dvdr has a zooming to the left corner bug in alot of dvd players does anyone know how to fix that??i remember it had something to do with lfo's

besides spruceup and dvdmf2 are there any other programs i can use to fit 4 movies in vcd format with a decent menu??seems a bit strange how there are so many video apps but yet all do something wrong that gives the need for another one...

any other suggestions are always appreciated...

[LanEvo7]

I had the same problem with Ulead MF2. It only happens with MPEG1's though. If I recovert it to MPEG2 using VCD resolution and the quality hasn't degraded.

[Ndb;-))]

Here's a way to make Ulead handle VCD's without sync:

Start TMPGenc and go to MPEG Tools.../Merge & Cut

Now add all your VCD segments (i.e. each CD sized MPEG1 file) for all the films you want on your DVD.

Save out the segments to one large file.

Now add this large file to DVD MF2 or DVD Workshop and chapter etc.
DVD Workshop is better as you can add buttons to link to each movie a lot easier.

If you insert your chapters right and pick the right menu template's you can do the same with DVD MF2.

This should solve you audio sync probs. Well it did for me with a badly split LOLR-TTT VCD a while back (went out of sync after the first segment), just joined the 3 mpegs to one and all was fine

I hope this helps - Ndb)

[bluess227]

ya that sure is a mission ndb lol but i appreciate the time u took to help me with this problem..

i was hoping for a simple or simpler solution especially with all the programs around...i never really liked chapters and this method seems to add more time to my make a dvd experience which already consists of major hours encoding/decoding..

can this really be it (spruceup) is the only app out of 100's of video apps that can do it without chapters??and its discontinued lol...UNREAL

if it wasnt for spruceups dvd player zooming bug and the cheap menus i would have no problem with it..in fact i can deal with ugly menus but the zooming bug makes the dvdr useless in alot of players still trying to figure out a solution for that 1....

btw if u dont know what bug im talking about look here
https://www.videohelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=90899&highlight=zoom%2Bspruce

ive tried pretty much all there ideas and still come up with the same bug

just 1 more question so besides ulead products and spruceup there isnt any app on the market that can fit 4 120 minute movies in vcd format on a dvd???

anyways thanks for taking the time to post im sure theres a solution out there somewhere...Thanks Again

[Ndb;-))]

If you don't want chapters and your using VCD format anyway, why not just plug your TV-Out and Sound Card to your video and record on Long Play :P

The method above does not involve any more encoding, it just joins all the files together like using V-Dub with "Direct Stream Copy"

It only takes a mo and as you have already lost so much time playing with Spruce etc, a little bit more won't hurt. Plus you don't have to add chapters, I just thought you may want to be able to jump to each movie at will.

The only reason I (and many others) say Ulead is because so many other authoring apps like to re-encode the video, or are just to plain fussy of the video format use can use.

Ndb )

[TheLarch]

Well, for what it's worth, I have found one way of authoring up to 4 movies on one DVD-R with Ulead MF2...

Have a look:

https://www.videohelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=144842

TL

[Ndb;-))]

Larch Did you actually read the 1st post ??

hey all i got some old ripped dvd's in vcd format and im trying to find the best way to fit them on 1 dvd-r so far here is my dillemma

As you can see bluess227 wants to put his VCD's on a DVD not encode avi's to Mpeg or convert 23fps to 25fps via timewarp etc (all been covered in guides and posts yonks ago).

You mension MyDVD and DVDiT as good for VCD/DVD, but both will moan about VCD files and want to re-encode. As for DVDiT it will remux the sound no matter how compliant it is.

I've also found SpruceUp to be over-fussy at times too.

Oh well back on our heads )

[mamie727]

To mmasw,

Thank you for this post. I've been looking and looking and buying software and dl-ing software with little success creating my dvd's until I read your post. I followed it, and was totally pleased. I'm only doing this to make "watch-able" dvds, and your process did that for me nicely. Now I can actually start watching my movies on the TV!!!




that's what happened to me until I got wise about ULead....

not that you can't use their product for this....I have and do.

I use Ulead DVD Movie Factory 2 to put VCD compliant video onto DVD-R. I've made about a dozen DVD's that way without audio sync problems. Simply put....don't waste your time re-encoding audio from 44000 to 48000 using TMp or Besweet or whatever....let ULead re-encode the audio and it remains in sync....at least it has for me about a dozen times.

I simply created a template in the DVD template section using VCD video settings and 48000hz audio at 224Kbs. Do this after adding your video files in the pop-up disc template manager. Then edit your clips with chapters, sub-chapters, menu's etc. . Get it ready to "burn/create", then start it before going to bed, and ULead will re-encode the audio (in sync) while you sleep(I have 1 Ghz Athlon.....takes about 6 hours). Also, I don't burn the disc at the end.....I only create the DVD file/title set. After your computer has been chugging away for 6 hours re-encoding, your RAM....well at least my RAM.....will be in shambles, so I choose to reboot before burning; it's better to have "pristine" memory to reduce the risk of coasters. So I simply use Nero, or RecordNowDX, or InstantDVD and burn the title sets as UDF DVD-ROM.....voila!, audio in sync.

By the way, I've used SpruceUp as well. Very tedious, time-consuming and buggy. Better Menu creation then with ULead though.

[Rimmer209]

Well i found the tip from The Larch to work, obviously the VCD dat file has to be renamed as mpg and re-encoded to a COMPLIENT mpeg, that done MF2 likes it and 6Hrs per DVD no problem.

[Ndb;-))]

Well i found the tip from The Larch to work, obviously the VCD dat file has to be renamed as mpg and re-encoded to a COMPLIENT mpeg, that done MF2 likes it and 6Hrs per DVD no problem.

Huh?

I really thought this thread was to do with putting Pre-encoded VCD's on a DVD-R and not encoding divx (AVI) to CIF res Mpeg2:-

-----------clipping from guide--------------
Using VirtualDub I extract the audio track to PCM format and save it as movie-divx.wav.
Still using VirtualDub I save the video to "movie-divx-25.avi" (direct stream copy, no audio, and a frame rate change to 25fps).
---------------end of clipping---------------

Plus VCD already is DVD compliant res (CIF Mpeg1) just the audio samplerate is not at 44k, but MF2 has no probs converting that.