quick DVD-DVDR guide? 3:2 Pulldown not Inverse Telecine

[throwingks]

This method gets rid of the need to Inverse Telecine. Why do no guides use 3:2 pulldown?

Needed:
1) SmartRipper
2) VOB2Audio
3) DVD2AVI
4) TMPGEnc w/ vfapi
5) Your Favorite Authoring Program

1) Rip with Smart Ripper (Only Main Movie and Main Audio Track w/ stream processing)
2) Convert Main Audio Track to ac3 with VOB2Audio
3) Frameserve with DVD2AVI but as Forced Film 23.976fps (Do no audio)
4a) Convert *.d2v to *.m2v with TMPGEnc using 3:2 Pulldown with playback. Adjusting VBR to fit on a single DVDR
4b) Multiplex *.m2v and *.ac3 using Multiplex under MPEG tools in TMPGEnc (not Simple-Multiplex) to *.MPG
5) Author using your favorite progam.

[SLK001]

Uh, yeah... we know this. But you are maybe confused as to why an IVTC is needed. Your method depends on the RFF flags being present (awh, to only dream that this was always the case), which most newer DVDs have. DVD2AVI strips them out and changes the framerate accordingly.

However, if you capture a movie from a TV, then you have a video with a 29.97fps rate that only has 24 unique frames in one second. An IVTC will remove the 6 duplicate frames each second, thus effectively giving you either room for 25% more video, or allowing you to encode at a 25% higher bitrate. Once encoded, apply a PULLDOWN (actually, a 2:3 pulldown is almost exclusively used today) to insert the RFF flags and change the display rate to 29.97fps, then import into your authoring package.

But I'm thinking that you already knew this!

[throwingks]

Actually I am trying to figure this out. I have been reading guides for a long time. I have made many VCD's and many CVD's on DVD. I now want to backup some of my DVD's, I did a lot of reading on how to get rid of horizontal lines, new guides and old. It just seems to me that it is easier to force to film rather than spending an hour letting TMPGEnc do it. From what you say it seems, if I have a 29.97 progressive according to DVD2AVI, then having TMPGEnc IVTC would be a waste. I should use the 3:2 pulldown or do I misunderstand?

[SLK001]

The FRAMERATE that DVD2AVI shows you is the current DISPLAY rate. The FRAME TYPE shows the type of video that DVD2AVI thinks that it is (I imagine that it is looking at the presence or absence of the pulldown flags).

I don't use TMPG, but I imagine that it is performing the IVTC by field matching and decimation (just like everyone else). FORCE FILM is by far the fastest and simplest method to get to FILM rates - but not all videos can be forced (and still give you good results).

Somewhere down the line, and before you try to import your video into an authoring package, a 23.976fps video has to have a 2:3 pulldown applied. I believe that TMPG will add the flags as it encodes, but I prefer to use the program PULLDOWN.EXE to add the flags (that's all this program does, is change header flags).

[rhuala2]

I don't use TMPG

SLK001, What do u use to encode, CCE? Curious since you really seem to know your shheet. Why don't u use/like TmpgEnc? I've read lots of debates I'm just interested in ur opinion. Thanks.

rhuala

[SLK001]

I use AVISYNTH to frameserve into CCE V2.50. I know that you can frameserve into TMPG, but I like the speed of CCE. With AVISYNTH, I can add various filters to my video where they are needed and the results are excellent.

[defense]

I use AVISYNTH to frameserve into CCE V2.50. I know that you can frameserve into TMPG, but I like the speed of CCE. With AVISYNTH, I can add various filters to my video where they are needed and the results are excellent.

Well Slk, I have to say that you seem to be the King of Pulldown, frames, fields, progressive and interlaced. ..lol "update" nevermind, looks like I had to just change the field order. Boy, I really do learn something new every day on here.