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  1. I have read various posts on this forum regarding this and I have not kept current with all of the legalities and lingering debates, but I have seen some things which are basically exhibiting that this software is now considered legal. I live in the U.S. and we have a few channels which just relate to "shopping" at home. A couple of the channels are Home Shopping Network (HSC), and QVC.

    Those are the two biggest. Anyway, over the last THREE nights I have watched, I believe it was "QVC" sell this computer system which they called the "DVD CREATION STATION." It was fully equipped and had a Toshiba DVD ROM, as well as TOSHIBA DVD BURNER. What was interesting to me is the fact that they were also selling DVDXCOPY to go along with this "DVD CREATION STATION." They even showed in detail, how to use the software.

    They said it was a $129.99 value, but if you purchase the DVD CREATION STATION COMPUTER, you could have it for only $29.99. What was even more interesting then all of this is the fact that they said you can make "backups" of your home movies, all perfectly legal, since they were your "backups." They used the word "backup" at least 15 times. But they continued to stress that it was PERFECTLY LEGAL to make "backups" of your movies. Now, what I find very perplexing is that I was under the impression from what I had read on this forum and from other sources, that it WAS IN FACT, perfectly legal to make backups of your own DVD's, however, it was ILLEGAL to break the Copyright Protection.

    Basically, that would mean that one could NOT LEGALLY BACKUP a movie, because ALMOST ALL commercial DVD's have CSS encryption. QVC has been around for a VERY long time, and is VERY REPUTABLE. I can't even REMOTELY see them selling a product if it were considered ILLEGAL in ANY ASPECT. So my question is, what does everyone think about this? Another thing I found funny is that they really tried to push DVDXCOPY and not ONE time did they mention you would have to put MOST of your DVD backups ONTO TWO DVD-R's. They just said you can have an EXACT BACKUP.

    I bet there will be a lot of pissed off people when they find out that they will have to have all of their movies on 2 DVDR's. Another thing I found hysterical, is that they kept showing "FUJI" DVD-R media, and said the cost of those disks was $35, for a 10 pack, but they were giving away a 50 pack spindle of BLANK DVD-R media with this DVD CREATION STATION. They showed the 50 pack spindle, and it looked IDENTICAL to the ACCU 50 pack spindles I have. If they were ACCU, and manufactured by SONY or LEAD DATA, then that's fine, but if they are another cheap brand, or ACCU manufactured by anyone else, then those disks aren't worth crap.

    I just found it funny how they continued to mention FUJI's name, (not like Fuji is any good with DVDR media anyway IMHO) and then say you get a 50 pack spindle of those DVD-R disks. Talk about some serious deception. I felt like calling in and saying, GREAT COMPUTER, how many disks will it take for DVDXCOPY to BACKUP most of my commercial DVD's. Then asking them what the brand name of those piece of shit 50 pack DVD-R's are. They would of hung up and said it was a bad connection. LOL...all I can say after watching that entire show is THANK GOD I'm a member of this site!
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    I get a kick out of those shows ... I enjoy the guy on HSC who does the "Computer Show". You know, the guy that claims that he makes the monitors, motherboards, and other components for 50% of the major computer manufactors. The whole show is about hype ... They never once get into any depth about the hardware or software. These shows really target the beginner to the novice. I don't know what it is about these shows but I find them extremely entertaining.
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  3. lol..yea, I know the Joker you are talking about. I thought he has to be a BILLIONAIRE with all the shit he makes for ALL of the computers. He was one of the two clowns on the show I was talking about the last few nights. On another note, I'm wondering what the actual laws are regarding backing up DVD's. I had read that you could NOT break the copyright protection, but you could make backups. Kind of an oximoron so to speak. But to see, even those clowns, on a reputable network, actually show how to use DVDXCOPY to backup your home movies, and then say it is PERFECTLY LEGAL to do so SEVERAL TIMES, well, that is interesting. Maybe someone in the legal field can elaborate more on the legalities of this, because I am certainly interested in it.
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  4. About 10 year's ago or 8 years ago I was watching QVC or HSN and saw a box that removed that macrovision. I did not buy it most of my movie whore on Laser Disc. But at BJ's a very large Super Store ws selling macrovision remover you had to put a 9volt battery in it> It work on some movie and other one's it did not. Sime Copy Master is the best for VHS to VHS or VHS to DVD. Bad for DVD to VHS. I think it they think the law is on there side they will sell it. COMP USA sell's DVDXCOPY and they sell DVD movie's and DVD player's.
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  5. They said it was a $129.99 value, but if you purchase the DVD CREATION STATION COMPUTER, you could have it for only $29.99
    321 Studios offers their affiliates DVDXCopy at $5 for the disc or $10 for disc and box for orders of 100 or more so I am guessing for a large company those prices would be half of that.
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  6. Interesting information, I didn't realize CompUsa also sold DVDXCOPY. That really emphasizes my question now. Although, I haven't seen CompUsa actually advertise this product, or have I seen them actually show users how to use the product and continuously say it is "LEGAL" to make "BACKUPS." All i'm wondering now is whether or not it is perfectly LEGAL to make backups of ALL DVD's, thus, it is LEGAL to break the copyright protection in doing so. Hopefully someone can explain.
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    If you want to know the current legality of dvd copying in America then read this, http://www.doom9.org/dmca_revealed.htm

    Basically there is a major disagreement about whether DMCA should trump Fair Use. Fair use says you can make 1 backup of any software you own, makes sense. DMCA makes it illegal to circumvent copyright protection, effectively making it impossible to backup virtually all commercially produced DVDs.

    The laws are conflicting and until these laws are revisited via a lawsuit, we are all basically stuck in a big Catch-22. Since it seems that Fair Use clearly preempts DMCA, insofar as it affects DVD copying, it is doubtful anyone will ever be sucessfully prosecuted for copying a DVD. I think this is the reason that tools like DVDxCopy are essentially being marketed as %100 legal.
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    Well If anyone cares to read the facts* (i dont think this actually true)
    on their website (321)
    They claim that the program copies the movie after the decryption from the DVD drive has taken place...
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  9. Well If anyone cares to read the facts* (i dont think this actually true)
    on their website (321)
    They claim that the program copies the movie after the decryption from the DVD drive has taken place...
    Just because they are on the 321 website don't make them "facts." If anything, they are FAR from facts. I have a full copy of this software, but have never used it because it puts a DVD9 onto two DVD5's. I like my movies on ONE disk. Anyway, from what I have read, the software itself decrypts, which shoots down that statement.

    @ Craig, thanks for the informative response. That is what I was looking for. I will check out the llink you furnished, but I think you clarified enough. I still think it is an OXIMORON to say that one can Legally backup movies, but can't break the copyright protetion in doing so. I agree, there will have to be some law passed before we can actually say for sure how the law reads. Most laws are amibiguous, and the DVD copyright laws are no exception. I think with the innovations of DVD2ONE and Instant Copy 7, followed soon by more, it will be very soon before the law reads more clearly. In the meantime, I think it is safe to interpret the law as saying that one is LEGALLY entitled to make a backup of a film they rightfully own. So I will continue on my mission to backup all of my commercial dvd's to assure my investments are protected.
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