VCD,CVD, XVCD,SVCD all are dead with dvd2one release !

[sunny_2]

What an amazing software; copy available FREE at www.dvd2one.com can RIP 9.4 Gig DVD in 12 minutes flat !

Video Quality is very good.


With DVD-R at 50 cents (www.meritline.com) and DVD Writers at 110$ (cyedyne, poineer OEM) I personally think why any one would want to copy movies to VCD,XVCD and all the crap ??

[superfresko]

copy available FREE at www.dvd2one.com

Free?

Do you know something we don't know?

On the site, the price is 47.59 Euro...

[frink]

Where are these 110$ DVD writers coming from? What currency is that?

[SatStorm]

Don't be silly!
This world ain't only "DVD Back up"

What about DVB to DVD transfers? VHS/SVHS to DVD transfers? LD to DVD transfers? DVD2one can't do nothing for it. This is an amazing program for DVD9 to DVD-R. It can do nothing for anything else.

The resolution 352 X 576/480 (and VCD's 352 X 288/240) gonna exist for ever! On CDs yesterday, DVD's today, BlueRay Tommorow.

People do VCD/SVCD/CVD for many reasons. Realise that.

[adam]

Please enough of these "x is dead because of DVD-r" threads. If you check the poll regarding which formats people make VCD and SVCD still far outnumber DVD. People are going to continue using what is best for them and SVCD and VCD will still be viable formats for many years to come.

[Super Warrior]

copy available FREE at www.dvd2one.com

Free?

Do you know something we don't know?

On the site, the price is 47.59 Euro...

I think he just meant you can download the trial of the software for free.

[Super Warrior]

What an amazing software; copy available FREE at www.dvd2one.com can RIP 9.4 Gig DVD in 12 minutes flat !

Video Quality is very good.


With DVD-R at 50 cents (www.meritline.com) and DVD Writers at 110$ (cyedyne, poineer OEM) I personally think why any one would want to copy movies to VCD,XVCD and all the crap ??

Its true that DVD-R's will replace VCD/SVCD when they get to be around the same cost.But i don't think they are quite there yet.

As for the nice DVD2One software,its a huge improvement compared to the crap most people had to resort to previously.But it still leaves much to be desired and still is'nt quite worth $40 yet.However when they release a version of the software that converts the Entire DVD.Includeing Menues&extras and not just the movie.Then it will be perfect.

[Super Warrior]

Please enough of these "x is dead because of DVD-r" threads. If you check the poll regarding which formats people make VCD and SVCD still far outnumber DVD. People are going to continue using what is best for them and SVCD and VCD will still be viable formats for many years to come.

You are Wrong.Its true that VCD/SVCD is used a lot more than DVD-R.But that is only because CD-Rs are so cheap and DVD-Rs still cost a bit much at the moment.

But in a year or so,when DVD-Rs get more affordable.They will completly wipe out the CD-Rom/CD-RW format.

[hwoodwar]

Not all of us are out there to rip DVD's. Some of us have TV shows and/or movies (old or new) recorded on tape that may not ever be available on prerecorded DVD. Some may not want to spend the money on the price difference between "quality" CDRs and "quality" DVDRs.

I myself like it better having one TV show per disk. It makes it easier to loan to friends to watch.

Do I think some form of DVDR will continue to become more popular? Yes. Do I think prices will come down even more? Yes, but maybe not by much. Do I think just because "DVD2One" exists all CD related disk formats are/will rapidly become obsolete? No.

I do expect to buy a DVD burner by the end of the year. Even after I buy the burner I expect to still be doing some encoding to at least one of the CD formats.

[adam]

Please enough of these "x is dead because of DVD-r" threads. If you check the poll regarding which formats people make VCD and SVCD still far outnumber DVD. People are going to continue using what is best for them and SVCD and VCD will still be viable formats for many years to come.

You are Wrong.Its true that VCD/SVCD is used a lot more than DVD-R.But that is only because CD-Rs are so cheap and DVD-Rs still cost a bit much at the moment.

But in a year or so,when DVD-Rs get more affordable.They will completly wipe out the CD-Rom/CD-RW format.

Yeah exactly, just like VHS right?

You are only thinking from the home authoring side of things, which only represents a fraction of the VCD and SVCD market. You are neglecting to realize that we live in a world where the vast majority of people actually pay for the goods they use. There is continent that you might have heard of, I think its called Asia or something, where VCD probably outsells DVD. Try telling the Asian government that they should switch to DVD recordable media and stop producing VCD and they will probably cane you. DVD is a licenced format, and as such, if you use it commercially you have to pay royalties. Getting around these royalties was the whole reason why VCD and SVCD were invented in the first place. DVD recordable technology has absolutely no effect on Asia's commercial VCD/SVCD market, its meaningless. As long as there is a market for VCD and SVCD than hardware will continue to be manufactured.

Yes dvd recording will eventually replace cd recording, and DVD will eventually replace VCD and SVCD, but if you think this is going to happen in 2 yrs you are extremely naive. If we have had cd recording technology for all this time then why do they still make floppy disks? The reason is because not everything you archive requires 700mb's, and certainly not 4.3gigs. This area of technology progresses extremely slowly. It takes a very long time for worldwide formats to get phased out, so don't hold your breath. Trust me the sky is not falling, just use what you want and let other people use what works for them.

[Super Warrior]

Yeah exactly, just like VHS right?.

VHS is a crappy format.Which is only used by those who don't know you can put a movie onto CD-R or can't yet afford DVD-R.

Since discovering VCD/SVCD a while back,i've rarely ever fooled with tapes again.Just like when DVD-R's become cheap enough,i'll no longer have to fool with VCD/SVCD anymore either.

You are only thinking from the home authoring side of things, which only represents a fraction of the VCD and SVCD market. You are neglecting to realize that we live in a world where the vast majority of people actually pay for the goods they use. There is continent that you might have heard of, I think its called Asia or something, where VCD probably outsells DVD. Try telling the Asian government that they should switch to DVD recordable media and stop producing VCD and they will probably cane you. DVD is a licenced format, and as such, if you use it commercially you have to pay royalties. Getting around these royalties was the whole reason why VCD and SVCD were invented in the first place. DVD recordable technology has absolutely no effect on Asia's commercial VCD/SVCD market, its meaningless. As long as there is a market for VCD and SVCD than hardware will continue to be manufactured.

Well we are not talking about asia here,or at least i'm not.I'm more referring to the U.S.Which i'm sure the majority of those here are from.

Yes dvd recording will eventually replace cd recording, and DVD will eventually replace VCD and SVCD, but if you think this is going to happen in 2 yrs you are extremely naive.

Well it depends.The only thing holding back superior DVD-Rs from dominating VCD/SVCD is the price.

And the price of DVD-Rs has gone down decent the past year or so.i figure in around another 2 years,DVD-R will definitly become more affordable and so they WILL replace VCD/SVCDs.

I highly doubt even the most devote VCD supporters.Would still settal for the low quality and low storage of VCDs.When they could easily&affordabley attain DVD-Rs that can hold 3+ times as much video at much higher quality.

If we have had cd recording technology for all this time then why do they still make floppy disks?

Ummm because they are stupid? Afterall who the heck uses floppy disks for anything anymore?

The reason is because not everything you archive requires 700mb's, and certainly not 4.3gigs.

We are NOT talking about "everything" or data in general.We're discussing movies and Video.And on the subject of video,A LOt of storage space is required for time&quality.

Storage space that CD-R's simply do not have enough of.

This area of technology progresses extremely slowly.It takes a very long time for worldwide formats to get phased out.

Not necessarily.I remember about 5 years ago,CD-RW drives and CD-R discs cost a LOT more than they do now.But these days,even the highest brand of CD-R is pretty cheap.And good CD-RW drives rarely cost over $80 these days.

On the same side of that coin,the same is so for DVD stuff.About 5 years ago a decent DVD player would've cost at least $200 if not more.But these days nice quality DVD players can be bought for around $80 or less.

so don't hold your breath. Trust me the sky is not falling, just use what you want and let other people use what works for them.

I'm not telling others what they should or should'nt use.

I'm simply stateing that DVD-Rs will indeed replace the majority of VCD/SVCD stuff in the U.S in a few years time.

[adam]

Star Warrior most Americans have never even heard of a VCD or a SVCD. We are talking about the formats themselves, they have no regional boundaries because they are worldwide standards. They will still be commercially viable for many years to come regardless of whether you are willing to use them or not.

Will dvd replace VCD and SVCD in America soon? Yes because they were never commercially viable in this market so their only purpose was for archiving, and dvd-r is clearly a better alternative in this regard. But this really has nothing to do with this thread. As far as I can tell you are the only one limiting the scope of these formats to the one country that probably uses them the least, America. Like I said, as long as there is a market for the formats then hardware will continue to be released that supports it. As long as there are VCD and SVCD players being manufactured than no one can claim that these formats are dead, regardless of what country they live in. In all liklihood, 5 yrs from now you will be able to go to the store and buy a dvd player that supports VCD, software that can make it, and cdr's to burn it to, and yes even in America.

P.S. the reason floppy drives are still manufactured is because the most common type of files archived are text files.

[adam]

I'm not going to respond to each of those points but Star Fox you completely misinterpreted most of my post.

adam wrote:
This area of technology progresses extremely slowly.It takes a very long time for worldwide formats to get phased out. "

Starfox wrote:
Not necessarily.I remember about 5 years ago,CD-RW drives and CD-R discs cost a LOT more than they do now.But these days,even the highest brand of CD-R is pretty cheap.And good CD-RW drives rarely cost over $80 these days.

I'm not talking about the progression of one format, I'm talking about the regression of others as a result. Yes cdr drives are incredibly cheaper now then they first were, but my point is that floppy drives are still used because, like I specifically said, it takes a very long time for formats, even clearly inferior ones, to get phased out. When companies and consumers spend millions, even billions of dollars and thousands of man-hours into the creation, marketing, and distribution of a format it doesn't just go away as soon as something better comes out. It takes years if not decades and THAT is why VHS is still very popular despite the fact that you and I both find the format crappy.

[Super Warrior]

I'm not going to respond to each of those points but Star Fox you completely misinterpreted most of my post.

adam wrote:
This area of technology progresses extremely slowly.It takes a very long time for worldwide formats to get phased out. "

Starfox wrote:
Not necessarily.I remember about 5 years ago,CD-RW drives and CD-R discs cost a LOT more than they do now.But these days,even the highest brand of CD-R is pretty cheap.And good CD-RW drives rarely cost over $80 these days.

I'm not talking about the progression of one format, I'm talking about the regression of others as a result. Yes cdr drives are incredibly cheaper now then they first were, but my point is that floppy drives are still used because, like I specifically said, it takes a very long time for formats, even clearly inferior ones, to get phased out. When companies and consumers spend millions, even billions of dollars and thousands of man-hours into the creation, marketing, and distribution of a format it doesn't just go away as soon as something better comes out. It takes years if not decades and THAT is why VHS is still very popular despite the fact that you and I both find the format crappy.

Excuse me....Star Fox? Sheesh thats pretty lame(and immature as well).

Nevermind then.I've no interest in talking to someone who can't have a normal discussion without resorting to petty insults,because he can't handel the other person disagreeing with his point of view.

[adam]

Hehe, that was an honest mistake, I hit reply and didn't feel like going back to use quotes, so I went from memory. There was no offense intended. But why does that offend you anyway?

[Panther96]

Where on earth do you get a DVD writer for $110, when in the UK the cheapest I've seen is £200

[Super Warrior]

Where on earth do you get a DVD writer for $110, when in the UK the cheapest I've seen is £200

Agreed.I was wondering that as well,when sunny_2 mentioned being able to get a Cendyne DVD-RW drive for $110.

I paid $235 for my pioneer DVR-104 drive less than a year ago.I'd be very suprised if writers have come down in price that much,THAT soon.

[punk554]

All I can say is if DVD burners won't burn music to a disc that is playable in my truck, then I won't be buying one. I, for one, do not need more than one way to back up/record. I will be staying with VCD/SVCD as long as I can.

[Fredd]

I've bought a DVD writer but I'm still looking for an authoring app that would give me as much pleasure as VCDComposer...

This is my main concern with DVD. Today I've seen in Paris the Ricoh 5125A @239 euros (bare drive), I bought it @269 just 10 days before... Hardware is not a problem anymore, or will soon be, but software is.

I went into a few warez that either didn't installed correctly or asked to upgrade my OS. Besides, those skinned look make me sick

Damn, I just want to edit my DVD with concepts like entrypoints, sequences or so. If only VCDImager could move to DVD fast!!

[MOVIEGEEK]

All I can say is if DVD burners won't burn music to a disc that is playable in my truck, then I won't be buying one. I, for one, do not need more than one way to back up/record. I will be staying with VCD/SVCD as long as I can.

True,also try finding a car stereo that plays MP3 for under $300US
I will continue to make VCD's simply because I make short video clips
of the family and they have old VHS tapes of home movies that don't require 4.7GB.As for 3.5" floppy disks I use them occasionally for .dll
or notepad files.

[Super Warrior]

All I can say is if DVD burners won't burn music to a disc that is playable in my truck, then I won't be buying one. I, for one, do not need more than one way to back up/record. I will be staying with VCD/SVCD as long as I can.

Soon they shall be making DVD-audio discs.It was shown several times on techTV and other sites.

DVD audio discs will be able to hold much more music at a much higher quality than normal CD-Rs.

[adam]

DVD-Audio disks have been around for a long time already, the problem is that not everyone is willing to replace their car stereos and their entire cd collection. Eventually it will happen, but again these things take a long time. I don't expect cds to disappear entirely for at least another 10 yrs. With blue laser coming out, dvd recording is already obsolete, but its still going to have a very long lifespan.

[MOVIEGEEK]

DVD-Audio has been out for 4 years but with very few releases due to
player compatiblity and it is ideal for "Greatest Hits" where there are more than 20 songs.
http://www.digitalaudioguide.com/faq/dvd-audio/faq_1.htm#What%20is%20DVD-Audio?

[johneboy]

True,also try finding a car stereo that plays MP3 for under $300US

http://www.crutchfield.com/cgi-bin/S-HCikpTH8jDt/ProdView.asp?s=0&c=3&g=62700&I=110MP3310+



I agree tho, i have a DVD burner, and i use DVD2ONE.. and granted, alot more movies are going to be going on DVD now, i still have MANY uses for the (X)S/VCD formats

[Robert Simandl]

Ummm because they are stupid? Afterall who the heck uses floppy disks for anything anymore?

Who uses floppies? Anyone who installs Windows XP from scratch on an ATA133 hard drive! The XP installation program requests the FLOPPY DISK containing the driver, and won't accept a CD.

[SatStorm]

I use w2k only now and my next move gonna be Linux or Mac

[punk554]

All I can say is if DVD burners won't burn music to a disc that is playable in my truck, then I won't be buying one. I, for one, do not need more than one way to back up/record. I will be staying with VCD/SVCD as long as I can.

Soon they shall be making DVD-audio discs.It was shown several times on techTV and other sites.

DVD audio discs will be able to hold much more music at a much higher quality than normal CD-Rs.

Ahhh.... but is DVD Audio backwards compatible with cd audio??

[Super Warrior]

Ummm because they are stupid? Afterall who the heck uses floppy disks for anything anymore?

Who uses floppies? Anyone who installs Windows XP from scratch on an ATA133 hard drive! The XP installation program requests the FLOPPY DISK containing the driver, and won't accept a CD.

You are wrong.Win98 might require a floopy disc to install the O.S,but not Windows XP.

I bought the gateway Pc i'm on brand new last year.Not a single floppy disc was included in the software package.As far as the O.S is concerned,all that was there was a XP Home edition installation CD.

Also i've reformated my 20 Gig drive and reinstalled the XP Home Edition O.S several times in the past.The CD was all that was needed.

[Cole]

Currently CD-R is probably the most versatile format around, purely by the fact of what it can be used for - (S)VCD, CD-Rom and Audio - and that most homes now have something that will play them - DVD player, PC and CD players/personal CD players.

DVD has yet to create that scenario as for this to happen everyone has got to buy a new piece of hardware to accomodate it - DVD players are already there and so are most PCs, but what about the CD players in the form of "ghetto blaster" (oops, showing my age!) style CD players and personal CD players? Okay, make DVD audio players backward compatible, but that still makes the CD market valid.

The trouble is that a useful format is always going to have a market. Yes VHS is poor, but it is still useful to record the programme that I will miss on a given evening and then wipe. I am not really bothered about a crystal clear picture of the latest episode of The Bill when it is going to get recorded over the next week.

Interestinglly, the humble cassette tape far from the predicted death, is still going strong as it is an easy medium to bung a few songs on and throw in a Walkman. Do we really need Hi-fi quality when walking to the corner shop? The old formats are there, they still do the job, so why not use it? I still play the odd single on vinyl!

But just to chuck in an extra element into this, I believe that there is a danger of consumer burn out on new technology. Imagine a new format coming out every two years; the uptake rates of these would be very poor indeed. The average consumer should be able to rely on a format for long while, not have it superceeded in a couple of years time and be forced to buy new hardware and replace what ever collection they have so that they can keep up. I have got hundreds of audio CDs and I just could not afford to replace them on DVD audio or have the time to convert them.

I am not saying that we shouldn't strive for better quality by any means, that can be for the enthusiasts, but the average consumer is quite happy watching VHS off air recordings and listening to CDs and probably will for years to come.

[Robert Simandl]

You are wrong.Win98 might require a floopy disc to install the O.S,but not Windows XP.

I bought the gateway Pc i'm on brand new last year.Not a single floppy disc was included in the software package.As far as the O.S is concerned,all that was there was a XP Home edition installation CD.

Also i've reformated my 20 Gig drive and reinstalled the XP Home Edition O.S several times in the past.The CD was all that was needed.

I'm guessing the hard drive in your system wasn't an ATA133? The instructions for the Maxtor ATA133 drive said that for a from-scratch XP installation, hit F6 as the XP install starts. XP prompts you to insert your ATA133 driver FLOPPY. Inserting the CD doesn't work. You HAVE to insert the floppy.