Bourne Identity vs. The Long Kiss Goodnight

[defense]

I don't really like movies which are takeoffs on others, as was clearly apparent after I watched the "Bourne Identity." I thought the movie was pretty good, but it was almost identical to the Long Kiss Goodnight in many aspects, mainly, where an "average" human being lost their memory due to Amnesia and both ended up learning their true identity of being a hired Assasin. Also, in both films, the main character was presumed dead. Although the Bourne Identity was a decent movie, it had NOTHING on The Long Kiss Goodnight. Anyway, which of the two movies was the BEST? My vote is for the Long Kiss Goodnight. I think it blew The Bourne Idenitity out of the water.

[Tommyknocker]

I hate to disagree with you, but The Bourne Identity is not a "runoff". The movie is based on a book by one of my favorite spy novelists, Robert Ludlum (you knew that reading the credits, right?).

So twenty-two years ago, 16 years before Shane Black wrote the screenplay for the Long Kiss Goodnight. Jason Bourne was "whacking" bad guys and trying to find out who he was at the same time. Eight years after that, Richard Chamberlain did a TV miniseries based on Ludlum's book, still eight years before Geena Davis and Samuel L. Jackson did the Long Kiss Goodnight.

I know I am showing my age, but but when a poll appears that was not properly researched, especially after you acccused one of my favorite novels turned into a movie a "runoff" I had to speak up.

An afterthought: What does the Davis/Jackson team do for the proverbial encore? Ludlum wrote The Bourne Supremacy and the Bourne Ultimatum, so Matt Damon can sleep nights if he wants. Have you heard from Shane Black lately?

[defense]

@TommyKnocker, sorry to burst your bubble their buddy. If it's any consolation, I mistakingly placed my vote for "The Bourne Identity" when I meant to obviously vote for The Long Kiss Goodnight. As far as your factual information goes, I still feel that I am correct. Being that the Bourne Identity was a film based on a novel by one of your favorite authors, I'm sure you would have more information then I would, at least I would HOPE you would. With that being said, I still feel that The Bourne Identity was a "runoff" of The Long Kiss Goodnight, whether it was "direct" or "indirect." My point being that I understand when the novel was written regarding the Bourne Identity, however, I am not saying that it was a "copy cat" of The Long Kiss Goodnight, I am just saying that I feel that after seeing how well The Long Kiss Goodnight did, the director's/producer's got together and decided to start the Bourne Identity. Can you honestly tell me that you know for a fact that NO ideas whatsover were derived from the Long Kiss Goodnight? I know you mentioned when the Novels came out, but you neglected to say that the Long Kiss Goodnight's theatrical debut was in 1996, making it's way to DVD in 1997. The Bourne Identity made its respective theatrical debut in 2002, finding it's way to DVD in 2003. That is a difference of about 7 years. Not taking those novels into consideration, and just watching the films, there are too many resemblences between them to say that the Bourne Identity would of been a "go" had The Long Kiss Goodnight not done as well as it did. What do you think about that? As far as Shane Black goes, I am not familiar with him, however, although I am not a novel reader, I do know of Robert Ludlam.

[Tommyknocker]

I was trying not to insult your intelligence. Do a little math here:

So twenty-two years ago

(1980),

16 years before Shane Black wrote the screenplay for the Long Kiss Goodnight

, (1996)Jason Bourne was "whacking" bad guys and trying to find out who he was at the same time.

Eight years after that, Richard Chamberlain did a TV miniseries based on Ludlum's book, still eight years before Geena Davis and Samuel L. Jackson did the Long Kiss Goodnight

(1988).

Since they made The Bourne Identity into a movie (albeit a TV movie), eight years before the Long Kiss Goodnight, which movie is really a "runoff"?

[defense]

Actually, I was trying not to insult your intelligence as well.

I was trying not to insult your intelligence. Do a little math here:Quote:
So twenty-two years ago
(1980),

22 years ago = 1981, not 1980.


Your missing the point. There is a lot LESS risk with a MADE for T.V series/Movie, then there is with a theatrical movie. You understand that much, right? You understand the monetary implications of the two are like night and day? I'm sure you also understand that IF one movie does really well, and was based on a novel, and there are other novels that are similiar, then some director/producer is going to notice that and usually follow suit. I think the bottom line here is that you can't believe that had the Long Kiss Goodnight not done as well as it did, there would probably never be a theatrical release of The Bourne Identity. The next time you saw anything relating to the Bourne Idetinity, would of been in your ancient novel. If you think that Hollywood doesn't know the similiarities of MANY thrillers/comedies, and ALL movies in general, you are sadly mistaking. Take the comic book superheroes for instance. Hollywood made the original Superman back in the 70's, but how many super hero movies were their since? Not many, if any, that I can think of. But all of a sudden X-MEN comes out a few years ago, and it was a tremendous success, so what follows shortly thereafter? Spiderman....and now the Incredible Hulk is going to be relased...and then next it will be Ice Man...or the Wonder Twins or they'll get a sexy Hollywood actress to play wonderwoman. You think it is merely coincidental that Hollywood is just pouring on the Super Hero movies all of a sudden? They know that the success and $$$$ made off of those movies was incredible, and they will do it as long as it continues to make tons of $$$$. You still didn't answer my question regarding the THEATRICAL RELEASE of The Long Kiss Goodnight. Can you honestly say that you KNOW for SURE that The Bourne Identity would of ABSOLUTELY made it to the big screen had the Long Kiss Goodnight never of made it first? Or more specifically, can you say that you know The Bourne Identity would of made it to the silver screen, had The Long Kiss Goodnight flopped? I don't know about those novels, but The Long Kiss Goodnight WHACKED THE SHIT out of Jason Bourne and The Bourne Identity.

[Tommyknocker]

Superman, 1970s!? Hehe. George Reeves had inked a multi Superman deal with Hollywood just before his mysterious death. The Year? 1959. You think the first real spy thriller was The Long Kiss Goodnight? Hitchcock was cranking them out before Geena Davis' father was a twinkle in her grandfather's eye.

The Long Kiss Goodnight was no pivotal point in moviemaking. It is a industry plain and simple, and like most industries, it goes in cycles. You cannot burst my bubble, as you put it, this bubble was born back in the late 19th century. I saw the Long Kiss Goodnight. Did you read the Bourne Identity? In my opinion, there was no contest.

So, to answer your question, yes, the Bourne Identity was destined to be remade, and the Long Kiss Goodnight may be remade as well in the future.

[defense]

TommyKnocker, no hard feelings man. I didn't mean to turn this into a debate, although I'm glad, because you've enlightened me on a few things. I never said Superman wasn't meant to be introduced sooner, I was making a point as to when it "actually" was released. I never said that The Long Kiss Goodnight was the first real spy movie either, because I DEFINITELY am not that ignorant. I remember a spy movie when I was a kid named "Gotcha" which is still one of the best movies I've ever seen. I don't know why, but I love that movie. Have you ever heard of it or seen it? It came out in the early 80's. I have to check and see IF and WHERE I can get that movie on DVD. Anyway, you have more facts then I do regarding BOTH movies, so I can not contest your statements. I go with facts, and being that you have them, I will have to agree with what you are saying. I have not read the novel, the Bourne Identity, but it sounds like I should. Once again, I do want to thank you for your replies, because I found them enlightening. With all that being said, I still think the Long Kiss Goodnight, the "movie", kicked
The Bourne Identity's (the Movie) arse.

[pacmania_2001]

In my opinion The Bourne Identity was a better movie than The Long Kiss Goodnight.

That said, there are better spy thrillers than both those movies such as the Hitchcock thrillers.

[Faustus]

The Bourne Identity was very unspecial. I left near the end and went and smoked instead, then meet my little brother near the end of the movie... it was a yawner if ya ask me. On the other hand I liked the long kiss goodnight alot.

[tenders]

the long kiss goodnight was awesome! for another thing it was original and not just a remake. there are far too many sequels these days. anyone have an original idea to pitch to the studios???