CCE vs Tmpegenc?

[davidian]

I heard before that CCE was supposed to be the *best* mpeg-2 encoder, when making VBR SVCD's. So I used it and I was not at all satisfied, so I tried Tmpegenc, and have been really pleased ever since.

But, however, I've been reading some about CCE, and all I want to know is.. is it better than Tmpegenc? When I make SVCD's, what I want is the best quality possible on as small space as possible (duh?).

So I find that I can get really good quality using Tmpegenc, and fit movies mostly on 2 cd's. I don't care how long the encoding time takes, even if it's like 20 hours...

So can CCE create SVCD's with better quality or equal quality and longer playing time? Hmm.. shouldn't bee to hard to answer, right?

[thxkid]

Never tried CCE, but just a FYI, COMPUSA 99min. CD-R's, I have burned up to 48min. at SVCD using TMPGE and nero 5.5 with fantastic results. I use a HP 9100b burner.

[Braindrain]

I've never gotten CCE to make a better output than TMPG.

[homerpez]

hmm...

I just tried doing my first (off-spec) SVCD, and I did the whole movie in CCE, and a test clip in TMPGEnc. VBR was AVG of only 1070, 480x480 resolution. 2-pass on TMPGEnc, and 3-pass on CCE. Same exact source video.

With the TMPGEnc test clip, and even a sharpness filter used to boot. There were nasty macroblocks in spots, but it looked overall okay.

But on the CCE video... Not ONE block. Not ONE bad-quality scene. On my TV, the sharpness/detail and quality looked the same as the DVD (even though I know 480x480 isn't DVD res, it looked REAL close)!

On VBR MPEG-1 VCD's I have done with TMPGEnc, I have used similar bitrates, and seen blocks everywhere. But using CCE, I fit 90 minutes of MPEG-2 SVCD-res material, superb quality, on only ONE CD!

I guess I'll need some convincing on TMPGEnc being as good as CCE at MPEG-2. It just plain isn't.

Now MPEG-1 is another story. CCE never worked for me on that. TMPGEnc is the only VBR MPEG-1 option I have... and it's a capable program.



<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: homerpez on 2001-08-28 17:27:25 ]</font>

[nsdn]

Have to agree with Homer,

I have done a lot of SVCDs with Tmpge....and then i tryed CCE....with 4 pass VBR I get 70 minutes of SVCD on a 90 min CDR......and there are no blocks, no bad scenes.....it is perceptually as good as DVD. I have never been able to get that with Tmpge with 2 pass VBR or any other encoding method.....there is no comparison between Tmpge and CCE...CCE eats it....tho at 4 pass VBR CCE is no faster than Tmpeg.....never tryed mpeg 1 with CCE....why bother?

[davidian]

Oh. Which means, I should really try CCE and use like 4-pass VBR and get VERY good quality on little space?

[nsdn]

Yep...tho unless ur frameserving with avisynth....virtualdub seems to take forever.....so I use the dvd2SVCD tool...click the save files....then u can grab the muxed streams and feed them in to TSCV to make menues and chapters...if i could get the %#%@ thing to work that is.....i am still using Nero....at it works ok just no chapters.....i am gonna try homerpez bitrate and see how much I can get on a 90 min disk without degredation.....but i can vouch that @ 1.5M/sec there is absolutely no macroblocks....where as with tmpge they are definitly apparant...I just did terminator 2...where the film starts it zooms in on the fire.....there is so much movement I would have expected there to be at least some blocks....there just isn't!!!