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[rgscout]

based on the experience of you what is the best work flow in order to make a editing from a vhs source . looking on this site and the rest
of the web I realize that is some issues related to compress and then recompress to another format.
I´m used to capture in the aiw 128pro with virtual dub ( with Huffyuv codec) then edit with video studio 5 ( trying premiere and media editor ) and finally compress to mpeg 2 with tmpeg plus . ( Thus I discover that ligos codec that comes with VE 5 is worse than Tmpeg )
After edit the raw avi should I compress it using Huffyuv in VE 5 , use Dv format or compress it direct to Mpeg 2 ? What´s the best ( and fastest ) ?

[kinneera]

What is your target format? VCD, SVCD, Divx, DVD?

If its one of the MPEG2 based ones (SVCD, DVD), just compress straight to it from raw AVI. Huffyuv is only used by those of us with insufficient disk space or computing power for raw AVI, or who want to be able to record greater amounts of video in the same space. There's no reason to compress to it prior to MPEG2 if you already have a raw AVI source.

[rgscout]

Actually my desire is make a non linear editing to put the final results to vhs and svcd. so in the future when dvd becomes more popular here it will be the format of choice. My great concern now is image quality after editing. I work with vhs and eventually s-vhs source material and I notice that after encoding ( meanly desinterlace ) the image comes a little blur removing the sharp and the vitality of colors ( in a very very severe analysing , cause the most of people will not give a damn to the quality in that level ).

[kinneera]

As far as I can tell, what I said before is still valid for your situation. MPEG2 supports interlacing, so you shouldn't need to deinterlace if you don't want to. This of course will only be an option for SVCD, not VCD.

[rgscout]

ok, I already tried the non interlaced encoding in Tmpeg ( mpeg 2 ) and the although the results were very good yet the quality of the results are below with the avi ( huffy comprssor ) source quality ( meanly with the brightness , saturation and sharpness;
But the the edition matter is still unsolved : what´s the fastest way to edit without loosing quality caused by the reencoding process. Can some else share some experience.

[kinneera]

You don't honestly expect your MPEG to be as good as the AVI, do you? Because MPEG is compression, typically at least 10:1. If you're working with SVCD bitrates, you're going to have to live with some compromise, otherwise just wait for DVD burning prices to come down.

As for editing, use a tool which works with AVIs (such as VirtualDub). As long as you have enough disc space, you don't have to encode to MPEG until you're finished editing, and thus there isn't any quality loss from reencoding.

[rgscout]

Yeah, I guess that as a compressed kind , the mpeg 2 won´t return me the same quality. But who knows somebody´s has some magic receipt to improve results.
About the edit matter how do I make transitions and change sound and video layers in Virtual Dub. I thought it was not possible with this application.

[SatStorm]

Try this:
Encode with tmpgenc plus 2.53 with the following settings:
Resolution: 352 X 576 (or 480 for NTSC) That is called CVD (china's SVCD). SVCD is the western answer to that format and it is full compatible with.
Use always 2 Pass VBR @ Highest qualily mode with 220 min/2400 average/ 2620 maximum.
Audio 160kb/sec. You can also set it lower (128kb/sec) if your source ain't good enough.
On the filters of tmpgenc, set the sharpen edge filter, to let say 84 both, marked field base

That gonna give you at least SVHS quality.

The resolution of 352 X 576 (480) is also compatible with the D2/DVD video resolution. So, later, you could simply demux your CVD and re-mux it as DVD and burn it to a DVD - R disc.

For editing you have two solutions:
1. Before encoding, load your avi to tmpg and go to settings/advance/source range. There, you can set start frame and end frame of you encoding. Tmpgenc gonna encode only inside your first/last frame. So, save project and continue with the next part. Then batch encode all your projects. If you want it in one piece, then after all parts are ready, go to tmpgenc's tools and the join/cut tool. Load them in the right order and merge them. It is easy, fast and loseless, 'cause there are no re-encoding here.
2. Use an mpeg 2 editor for editing, after the encoding. Mpeg2vcr is good for that, but a little buggy. Adds padding when it cuts, so you end up with huge files. But that ain't problem. You go to the cutted files, you demux and simply remux them as SVCD with TMPGenc Tools and that get rid of padding. So you end up with the true file size of your media. The proccess is simply, fast (less than 30 sec for a 792mb mpeg2 file) and loseless (no encoding included)

Finally, there is always those avi editors. Plenty of them are free and the best one is virtualdub. You cut your avis to smaller ones, then load them to your encoder and encode them on whatever you want...

Check the quides of VCD help for more infos. There are all there....

[rgscout]

Thanks for the helps here. But yet the question wasn´t fully aswered ( maybe due to the bad english ). Ok. To close the discussion the question is: If someone does ( of couse someone does ) VHS capture with edition in ulead media studio ( moving paths, transitions and so on ) then records the results back in VHS tapes and CD( DVD ) how the work flows ? In order to avoid re encoding to achive better results .
Thanks again

[vhelp]

rgscout,
Wow. you crack me up. You mean, your last post on this topic
was back in March, and NOW, here in Nov, you're just picking
off where you left ?? Stop making me laugh, he, he... I'm
rolling over, over here...he, he...

Anyways, I'm still confused by this post. I remember reading
this WAYYYY back wheNNNNN.

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never mind. I see I need to do my own home work too.
so, you've ben using ulead for SVCDs etc., and even recommended
somone to use it as well. So, I guess I'm really confused now.

Welp, have a good day anyways.
-vhelp

[rgscout]

Someone have an ideia too ADD here.

Thanks