dvd > svcd - can i use lower bitrates 2 fit on 2cds and..

[rockshow]

dvd > svcd - can i use lower bitrates 2 fit on 2cds and still expect it
to play on a standalone dvd player, or is there something i should look
out for or is there a certain type od dvd player i should be looking for???

Please advise thank you.

[ghoster]

it might be possible to fit the move on two cds depending on the length. but you will have to make it a make it a nonstandard svcd and it prob won't play in your stand alone dvd player and plus you would have to lower to bitrate so it will prob end up looking like a vcd when you are done

[rockshow]

cheers. not the answer i was hoping for but never mind thanks for clearing that one up for me

[0 kewl]

Actually, SVCD is quite flexible regarding bitrates so it is very possible you won't be creating a XSVCD when trying to fit a movie on 2 CDR/RWs and therefore it is likely to be accepted by your DVD player (if it is SVCD and CDR/RW compatible). The quality of the final SVCD will depend on the length of your movie and how much action is in it. You can expect a decent quality from a 80-100 min long movie fit on 2 CDR/RWs in SVCD format (definitely better than VCD).

[rockshow]

really what i was looking at is to have an average length movie with
sound at 128kbps plus cbr of movie anywhere between 2000/2500kbps
split over 2 disks and play in any standalone dvd player thats compatible
with cdr's and svcd's

Is this possible or am i looking at trying to find and xsvcd player?

[esmerelda1983]

i just finished SQUEEZING 70 min of movie onto 1 80min disk SVCD format. my average was 1306kbps + 128kbps audio (VBR)........and it still looked beter then vcd :P

movie was 140min long (AI) and i didnt want to use 3 disks....

so i dont think rockshow will have any problem with cbr 2000/2500kbps

that said....why dont you use vbr????? i have had great results with vbr, its worth the extra encode time

[0 kewl]

really what i was looking at is to have an average length movie with
sound at 128kbps plus cbr of movie anywhere between 2000/2500kbps
split over 2 disks and play in any standalone dvd player thats compatible
with cdr's and svcd's

Is this possible or am i looking at trying to find and xsvcd player?

Yes, those specs are perfect for SVCD (unless you are changing your resolution).

[rockshow]

oh right thanks.

so i can use whatever bitrate i want (i know there is a maximum to consider when it's svcd) for sound and audio and still expect it to play on my dvd depending on svcd compatibility.

now if anyones got the time and doesn't mind explaining about what i need to consider using vbr. (What do most people use in an avg. 90-120 min movie to get it to fit across two disks.)

Also how would set this up in tempenc. Any suggestion would be greatly
appreciated.

Thanks in advance and thank-you to the people who have already replied.

[guitar_george_skank]

Use the bitrate calc on his website...

http://www.vcdhelp.com/calc.htm

Just enter the no. of CD's, the audio and the movie length. As long as you don't exceed the total bitrate allowed for SVCD you will be OK.

Check out...

http://www.vcdhelp.com/svcd

for the exact specifications.

Re: TMPGenc.

Example: Movie is 100mins long.

1. Enter movie length 100mins, CD no's 2 and type 80 mins, audio rate @ 128 etc. into bitrate calc.

2. I get an average bitrate of 2037.

3. In the video tab of TMPGenc, select Rate Control Mode - 2passVBR, then click on the Setting button next to it.

4. Put your Average of 2037 in, then a Maximum of say 2500 (just to be on the safe side) and a minimum of 300 (again to be on the safe side as some players don't like a "0" minimum).

5. Encode as normal.

You should get a very good quality encode at these rates. I personally don't go below 1800-1900 for SVCD's but check out CVD's at

http://www.vcdhelp.com/forum/userguides/98177.php

These give you the same nearly the same quality as SVCD but at lower bitrates, therefore more minutes per CD. Check out the CVD article at the link above.

Cheers,

GGS.

[esmerelda1983]

ok.....there are 2 ways(that i will explain)

method 1)
useing the tmpgenc wizzard put in your video file and audio file. the when you get to the 2nd last screen (1 with bar down bottom)press expert......then at rate control mode choose 2 pass vbr...then click setting and make min=300 max=2520........enable padding.....then ok(while you are here you can adjust the motion search. i use high).......the ok again, you should be back at the 2nd last screen (4/5).....now choose the disk type you will burn to 74min/80min (VCD/SVCD), dont choose iso........then where it says makes file size ***% of disk capacity change that value to about 190% for 2 disks or 285% for 3 disks( i do it this way so u have a 5% buffer for each disk, just in case the file comes out bigger then expected).........now the adverage video bitrate will have changed so that it will make a file that will fit over 190% of a disk(thus almost 2 disks).......now u just encode
once u have done that you must cut the mpg into 2 halfs... this can be done with mpeg tools with tmpgenc.....but please not that you must cut at exact half way point of movie else the file wont fit onto 1 disk
im a bit pressed for time now so if u choose this method and dont know how to cut it just ask and i will go over it with you.
the down side to this method is because the movie must be cut in the exact middle you might end up cutting through a scene......right where mr bond is about to get shot the mpg will end and you will have to change disks :P

method 2)
just the same as above except that you choose the source range on page (3/5)......by doing this you can choose where the 1st disk will end.....be sure to choose a range that is as close to the middle as possible(cutting too short will leave more of the move to fit on the 2nd disk and vice versa).....then once again back to the 2nd last page (4/5) in the spot where the % is again change that value to 95%(be sure that u have chosen the right disk type) then encode....repeat for the second half of the movie to get 2nd mpg



WOW, thats gotta be the biggest post i have ever made
sorry if i just went over all the stuff you already knew 8)
any more question just ask

[rockshow]

brilliant, thanx 4 ure suggestions but what prog can i use to play the svcd mpeg's because i can't seem to get it to work. i've burnt the mpeg using nero but it won't play in dvd drive with powerdvd. is there some setting's i should know about?

[0 kewl]

Try loading your *.dat file into PowerDVD this way:

1) Enable File Mode (click the bottom button just to the left of round PLAY/FF/RW/PAUSE/STOP control)
2) Click Menu (L) button (bottom 3rd from right in the 12 button control panel)
3) Find you file so that you can see it upper right pane (if the file is on Desktop you need to select Desktop in your left pane)
4) Double click on the file in your upper right pane
5) Select it in your lower right pane and press OK
6) Press PLAY button