The Mummy Returns

[Rezolution]

I have been having all kinds of problems with TMPGEnc...

When I use DVD2AVI it tells me that the movie is 16x9 29.97 FPS but it says 99% Film... and that it is progressive...

When I use the TMPGEnc wizard to encode it, it is telling me that the movie is 4x3 interlaced.

Could someone tell me what settings I would use and why??? I am thinking that the "Source Settings" should be progressive and 16x9, but I'm not sure if I should use 16x9 display or 16x9 525 Line, how do you know which to use??

I notice when I encode the movie, I get all kinds of horizontal lines where there is a lot of motion. I see people suggest things like using 3:2 pull down and such...

Can someone tell me what settings they would use to encode "The Mummy Returns" with TMPGEnc to get the BEST possible quality on SVCD (I don't care how long it takes to encode)??? Once I get one done correctly and understand why and how you have to chose certain settings, I will be good to go

[Rezolution]

I am thinking of trying to the force film setting in DVD2AVI and then...

Trying to use 3:2 pulldown in TMPGEnc but I am still now sure if I should use 1x1, 16x9 display, or 16x9 525 line... Can anyone tell me how you chose the "source size"?

[traderj]

It depends on the TV you want to play the movie on. Is it a widscreen tv? after you tell me I could make you a template and email it to you. that way you can see how I did it. email me the answer at CountSidious@juno.com .Aslo how many cds do you want it on?

[poopyhead]

When I use DVD2AVI it tells me that the movie is 16x9 29.97 FPS but it says 99% Film... and that it is progressive...

ok..couple important info u just mentioned...

1) source aspect ratio is 16:9, which means you choose 16:9 525 line NTSC in tmpgenc (also, for image positioning method choose "fit to frame (preserve aspect ratio)" or "full screen (preserve aspect ratio)" depending on which version of tmpgenc u have)
2) 99% FILM, progressive....this means that you should force film in dvd2avi.

note: the fps is absolutely useless. the fps is not dependent on the source DVD fps, but rather on whether you have forced film enabled or not. (i.e. if you enable force film, the info box will say 23.976 fps. if you disable force film, it will say 29.97 fps. hence, ignore this info)

in tmpgenc:

the source would be non-interlaced, progressive.

OUTPUT video should be 4:3 display NTSC (i'm assuming you're gonna watch it on a regular TV, rather than the widescreen HDTVs). this is irregardless of the source aspect ratio. this is only dependent on what type of TV you're gonna watch it on.

output fps should be 23.976 fps + 3:2 pulldown (NOT INTERLACED)

I notice when I encode the movie, I get all kinds of horizontal lines where there is a lot of motion.

in tmpgenc, look for the filters section..it should in the same area as where you have to enter source aspect ratio, etc.... one of the filters is de-interlace. enable that filter, and under it..choose "blend (adaptive)" or "double (adaptive)" depending on which version of tmpgenc u have.

--> once you're done encoding, look over those places where u saw lines before and make sure the lines are gone and that the video is not jumpy.

[Rezolution]

Hmmmm...

I used force film in DVD2AVI...

Then I chose 16x9 525, progressive, 3:2 pulldown in TMPEG...

I played it on my AD1100W apex and it was soooo jumpy I couldnt even watch it!!!

This makes me very sad.... I don't understand what I am doing wrong...

[poopyhead]

Hmmmm...

I used force film in DVD2AVI...

Then I chose 16x9 525, progressive, 3:2 pulldown in TMPEG...

I played it on my AD1100W apex and it was soooo jumpy I couldnt even watch it!!!

This makes me very sad.... I don't understand what I am doing wrong...

1) make sure you check the 3:2 pulldown in the VIDEO menu and NOT the advanced menu
2) how does your rip look on the computer? (if your rip looks good on the computer and jumpy on the TV, then you need to reverse the field order)
3) could be your apex just not very good (apex is cheap for a reason)

[vhelp]

If you're using Field Operation:forced film in dvd2avi, then:
in tmpg:
* under Video tab, use 23.976
* under Video tab, use 3:2 pulldown
* under Advanced tab, use non-Int (progressive)
Result: Smooth Video

You may have ben using 29.976 . . .(wrong)
...this will cause jumpyness w/ 3:2 pulldown turned on.

However, if Field Operation:none was chosen in dvd2avi, then:
in tmpg:
* under Video tab, use 29.970
* under Video tab, use Inverse 3:2
* under Advanced tab, use Interlace
Result: Very Smooth Video (because of the interlace, for TV viewing)

note:
for MPEG-2, you want to preserve the Interlace. You do not want to use
any de-interlace. Even if you are viewing on your PC, either PDVD or
WDVD will play your video w/out interlace (comb)
but if you use other apps like Media player etc. then you have have issues.

-vhelp

[Rezolution]

Thank you all so much. I finally have a good quality SVCD rip and it plays on my APEX as well...

Has anyone ever thought of making an updated faq that includes how you figure out if something is film or ntsc in DVD2AVI? Also it would be nice if the faq also included information about the 3:2 pulldown...


Once again, thanks everybody for all the help

[poopyhead]

Has anyone ever thought of making an updated faq that includes how you figure out if something is film or ntsc in DVD2AVI?

it's actuallly quite simple to figure it out cuz dvd2avi's "info" box has that info right at the top...i think the fps info is wut gets ppl confused because if a movie is FILM, but force film happens to be turned off, then ppl will see that the 29.97 fps contradicts the FILM.

[vhelp]

evening all.

rezolution,
also, when utilizing the F5 key AND watching to your right, the window
that starts displaying Film/NTSC %50, then 60%... 80%... 95%... and
finally either 98% or 99% Film... What it's saying is, during it's
check/scan (when you press F5) it is scanning those frames and seeing
how the frames are laid out, 3:2 (hence the 3:2 or Film stats)

Now, when it is going through all this motion, you are watching how
the % (percetage) is going up and down, fluctuating in at some points
and being steady at others, till it reaches a decision that it's mostly
Film (23.976) and is ok to set to Force Film.

So, why then, does it fluctuate, or hesitate, as it would seem, when
viewing in the window? ?
Well, because, basically, the DVD source is NOT perfectly edited at
3:2 pulldown. ie, if you ever watching a clip, frame by frame, while
editing to see how the Interlace meets, when checking for 3:2 pulldown,
you'll often find some scenes break up into an earlier 3:2 pulldown
for THAT given moment/scene/frame, and/or while in another, you'll only
see one Interlaced frame, and the pattern continue correctly. This is
most often the case with ALL dvd's and movies on VHS too. It just all
depends on how they Film was cut in all these various scenes ie, some
are cut at the 3:2 while other at the Interlace, etc, etc. It just
depends on the editing. But, when all complete, the Film looks flowless
when played.

So, the next time you all see the % (percetage) fluctate back and forth,
it's because it hits a bad cut/edit frame. But, nothing to worry about.

Hope this analigy clears up a lot of curiosities.
Remember, the field you are interested in is the one that flickers
between NTSC and FILM 40%..98%
If it's always display mostly NTSC, then it's plain 29.970,
else it's 23.976 (Film)

-vhelp