"FLT" IS A PRO ENCODER WHAT ABOUT ME????

[locco]

How do the groups encode to mpeg1 so perfectly? They make a 45 min show only use 450 mb and it looks like friggin SVCD!?!?!?! I dont get it...Ive been capping @10k bitrate DVD quality, it looks perfect when played in its RAW form, but then when I go and ecode it with TMPGENC it gets JERKY when the camera moves across landscape or across a room. I have tried TEMPLATE upon TEMPLATE upon TEMPLATE nothing works...the only thing that even comes close to how FLT and them do it....I dont get it....plz help....

[fossil]

switch to another program. such as CCE, but i thinnk TMpgenc is pretty good at mpeg1 encoding.

[snowmoon]

Remeber many of these groups have access to satelite c-band and digital feeds ( Big Useful Dish ). The input quality of a network downlink is amazing. Combined with a few tweaks and yes they look damm good.

#1 quality factor for any encode SOURCE.

[locco]

I just wanna talk to a pro...plain and simple...Im not a newbie I know more than most ppl pretend to know...but this is truely puzzling me how to encode a cap correclty...if you think you got balls plz get in contact with me...ive proved many ppl wrong..and ill prove you wrong too...

[DJRumpy]

I never encode in MPEG-1, but I've heard that CCE is not so good when it comes to quality, encoding to MPEG-1. Can someone verify? I would suggest you stick with TMPGenc.

As for your quality woes, source is EVERYTHING. If your converting straight from DVD to VCD, then you'll get decent quality. If your going from a shakey vision cam movie to VCD, your going to get garbage out.

TV Captures, depending on the quality can look decent, but the only decent VCD's usually come from a professional digital source.

[Kdiddy]

Not sure which releases you are talking about..but everything Ive seen done by them, i.e., new theater release movies looks like crap.

[jkl]

I just wanna talk to a pro...plain and simple...

talk to yourself........ you're plain and simple..
just check out these post.http://vcdhelp.com/forum/search.php?search_author=locco

[snowmoon]

Ok.. where to start..

You F-ed the capture in the first place. You have a womderful 720x480 de-interlaced ( blended no less ) capture. It's no wonder you are getting crappy output.

Learn how to capture the original interlaced signal and then we can talk.

[Nelson37]

First suggestion is IVTC, best FREE 20% improvement you can get.

Second is get best quality source you can, do a DVD rip (unless you have access to a better quality source) and test your procedure with that. If you can't get a good encode from that, then tweak your procedure.

I don't do VCD much, the consensus is TMPgenc is better at MPG1 than CCE, or at least at lower bitrates. Some prefer Panasonic encoder for VCD.

Careful use of noise filters common for decent VCD.

For VCD, if you have a fairly good size PC monitor, preview on that. If it looks good on a 19" monitor its gonna be excellent on a 27" TV.

Last suggestion would be to lose the attitude.

[snowmoon]

IVTC is applicable only to a small segment of the TV shows out there, most are mixed format.

His captures show no interlacing, but a blening of the 2 filed which make IVTC impossible.

[locco]

Instead of being so negative why dont you guys help me cap better...
I use powervcr2...my card AVERMEDIA STEREO doesnt seem to work with any other cap software...

[snowmoon]

I can't look over your sholder.

You need to capture in INTERLACED mode. Once you have that figured out we can help you more.

[Gargoyle]

locco said

Instead of being so negative why dont you guys help me cap better...

...then stop throwing out challenges/derogatory comments like

Im not a newbie I know more than most ppl pretend to know...if you think you got balls plz get in contact with me...ive proved many ppl wrong..and ill prove you wrong too...

Nobody likes an a**hole; and if you act like one, don't expect much help.

[Nelson37]

Perhaps I missed the precise methodology of capture, I can't state it IS or IS NOT interlaced or anything else, for that matter. If it looks great when playing the captured file, then jerky after encoding, problem seems related to encoding procedure rather than cap.

We may need to make a distinction between "Broadcast-on air", "Satellite", "Cable", "Digital Cable", and other types of "Television".
99% of Digital Cable movies I cap are Telecined. If you are capturing from Air, or Standard Cable, the quality to equal a DVD rip is just not going to happen. Digital Cable or Satellite can get very, very close.

What IS your source?

What EXACTLY are your capture settings?

Have you tried reversing Field Order?

Is the Jerkiness the only quality concern, or can you describe others?

[snowmoon]

I downloaded and took a look at his capture. It's 720x480 with the fields blended together. It's blurry and when encoded down to VCD it will just exagerate the problem.

[Nelson37]

Sorry, Snowmoon, I was wondering how the hell you knew what it was.

You MUST cap interlaced for best quality. Then you can tell if IVTC will apply or not. IF it does, then resize the 720x480, 24fps, progressive stream to VCD. Most player will handle as-is, some with Pulldown flag, for a FREE 20% increase in Time on Disk for VCD, or Quality in (X)(S)VCD.

If it is just plain interlaced, De-interlace before resize. sometimes with a little smoothing or motion blur, may look better or worse, depending. 352 x 240 resize effectively de-interlaces anyway, it's a judgement call.

But SnowMoon is right, you are screwing up your capture, and you must get the best source possible.