Im editing my brothers wedding and it gets wrong...

[Wylie-C]

When I capture a film from my VHS-camera, with Adobe Premiere 6.0, the movie becomes great.
But, I must render the entire film and this makes the video black. The audio is ordinary though.
I can't figure out what makes it doing this....

I'm trying to edit my brothers Wedding and have no idea how to manage the editing...

Please help...

[liquid217]

what are you encoding with? cce? or tmpgenc? Is it completely black? or just dark?

[Wylie-C]

I'm not encoding it at all (that I know of).

The thing is that when I used my friends Firewire-DVcamera connection it all went fine... I didn't even have to render the film...

But now Premiere has to render the ENTIRE movie... And it is then the video goes black...

I cannot understand the error, because I can preview it before i render it, but not afterwards.

[Wylie-C]

Please help me.... someone....

[stormcrow]

Ten bucks says this is a codec issue. I had the same symptoms last year, went through a lot of Adobe tech support, and finally figured it out myself. The issue was one of the codecs in the Nimo Pack that i had installed (cant remember which one for sure, possibly the angelpotion codec or something) Anyway, premiere replaces its own dv avi codec with this when it renders (which is just a reencoding). That's why it looks fine to begin with, it captures with the MS dv codec, but then reencodes with the wrong codec, which produces the errored black video you're seeing. You can find out if this is the problem if you load up the black video clip into your bin in Premiere, click on it and look at the properties for it. It will say what codec it is encoded with.

Solution - Remove the codec in your control panel in the multimedia settings.

Hope this works for you, i know exactly how frustrating it is.

God bless.

[ROBO1964]

Well I am not sure WHY you HAVE to render the movie but I know in Vegas Video 3 there markers that occur when editing and because you normally edit up to the end it renders just that section unless you reset them. Could Adobe have the same problem?

[Wylie-C]

Thanks for replying.

Is this when I capture?
Because I can't really get anything more than lightgray...
do I have to capture the whole movie again with a new codec ?

Thanks again...

( btw. I can't get any sense of the markers)

[ROBO1964]

Is the video after capture that way?

You should be capturing in avi format either uncompressed or with Huffy compression. Anything else will give poor results fro the get go.

[Wylie-C]

I capture it as an .avi... Withe great result, both the video and audio is superb... With exeption from that I have to render it. (which makes it go crankers )

That's why I am so frustrated...

[akbor75]

when you save a video from any editor, it has always to be encoded, cos when you would use the 'raw' format it would be a HUGE file.
but when you select the right codec and set the parameters right, the quality will be ok.

[leebo]

Wylie-C,

What preset are you using in your project?

If you're NTSC (USA, Mexico, etc.), you should be using one of the two NTSC DV presets. Which one depends on your audio. 48hz or 32hz (check what the camera is set to).
If you're PAL, same two settings, except the PAL ones.

Once you're using the correct preset, place a clip on the timeline and play it. Without any editing, effects or filters added, it should play right out to the DV camera.

If you add a transition or filter, only the section where the transition or filter is should have to render.

Your problem is most likely that your project settings are different than your capture settings.

Use Premieres "Project Settings Viewer" to check that all these settings are the same. I don't remember the exact menu it's located under, so look in help.

Also, go to the Adobe Premiere forum to ask your question, as they're VERY knowledgable about this stuff.

[Wylie-C]

Ok, thanks... I've been unsuccesful with this but I apreciate all the help...
I thought I should set some things straight...

I have an VHS-camcorder which works (you can get video and sound at least ... (which is PAL-compliant)
When I capture the movie with my pinnacle-card it gets all good, the video and the audio is allright... (as I can see it, it doesn't compress a thing; the files are huge)

Then... when I put the movie in the timeline I have to render it. (and every time I change the compressor, which does'nt seem to work...)
As I said before, I'm suprised that this stuf has to be rendered even though I don't do anything with it.

Most helps I see, (even on Adobes homepage), involves DV. which Makes me wonder if the help can be aplied on VHS-problems...

I have problem getting the projectsettings to be the same as the capture settings... But I can't see why that must be so...

thanks anyway....

[Xesdeeni]

You shouldn't have to render anything when you put the movie on the timeline, until you start editing.

If Premiere is rendering, then I'd guess the input format and the output formats must not match. I've never done this, because my input and output formats have always matched, but I suspect that's why they have to be rendered.

There is a dialog you can get, but I'm sorry I'm at work and don't recall how to get there, that will compare your input and output parameters. I think the deal is that if any don't match, your video will have to be rendered. The parameters I'm talking about are the resolution, frame rate, codec, etc. See if you can find this dialog and see what things are different. I think it highlights them in red.

Xesdeeni

[leebo]

I have problem getting the projectsettings to be the same as the capture settings... But I can't see why that must be so...

It must be, because Premiere is trying to convert your movie into whatever your output settings are.

However, this is ONLY FOR DV footage!

For instance, if you captured DV footage at 720X640, 25FPS, and your output settings are for 720X480, 30FPS, Premiere will have to re-create the whole movie in that format.
But if your output settings match your input settings, Premiere will only have to render the transitions and clips with filters applied.

If your working with anything else (non-DV AVI, Quicktime, etc.), Premiere has to re-create the entire project to a new file. Thats just how it works.

If you're using a capture card from like Pinnacle or Matrox, they have special plug-ins for Premiere that will avoid this step.