action scenes suck

[DeLpHoNiC]

I just finished converting and burning Happy Gilmore and when theres some heavy movement i get them lousy blocks. Is there any way to tweak that to make it a bit better during those scenes. I used a kvcd template, ya think thats it? CQ_VBR=15, 29.97fps, size=704x480. Would appreciate any kind of help.

p.s. Damn, its hard as hell to get movies to fit on one CD and when ya do, the quality isnt all that good ; ( stick to 2 CD's damnit!

Thanks in advance,

PeaCe

[DeLpHoNiC]

Multiple cd's = more reason to get a multiple disc dvd player. Just some food for thought. : )

[tenders]

i always use CQ to encode and have had great results! the only pixillation i get are on dark scenes,but that is only when the source isn't the greatest. i have never used kwags templates,but one day i might try them. try making an svcd with the tmpg template. if your source is good,then i'm sure you won't be dissapointed. forget about 1 cd the quality is crummy,shoot for 2.

[DeLpHoNiC]

Thanks for the input. Ill definitly try that and hopfully ill see better results. Doesnt svcd only fit 35min on 650mb cd? how do you get a movie to fit on 2cd's? Just wondering : ).

Thanks

[tenders]

700mb(80 min cdr's) it depends on the movie. on some, i can fit close to 60 min.

[DeLpHoNiC]

60 mins per cd on svcd with tmpg templates. isnt it only like 30 mins per cd?? Well, thats what the wizard says. Can you clear this up before i stgart converting some of my movies please??

Thanks in advance,

peace

[LeeBear]

Listen to what everyone is saying trying to put a movie on 1 CD is going to get you crummy results no matter what you do. Stick to using 2 CDs, and also I would suggest you lower your resolution from 704x480 to either 480x480 or 352x480. The picture may not be as sharp but it should also eliminate blocking during action scenes because with the lower resolution more bits can be used for each frame. When I convert my movies from DVD I always used DVD2SVCD program. With bi-cubic resize to 480x480, 4 pass VBR using CCE. Note I have nothing against TMPG or CQ, I just like using VBR encoding because I always know the resulting file size and thus can use all the space on the CD without putting any to waste. Give those settings a try, you'll get good results.

-LeeBear

[DeLpHoNiC]

I understood that. What i was asking is how tenders fits near 60 mins on a svcd template that comes with tmpg. Just wanted to know how he did that since it states that you can fit 35 mins on a 50 cd.

Thanks

[kwag]

Let's refresh everyone's memory here again.
SKVCD will let you put 60+ minutes on a 80 minute CD-R, with quality equal or above an SVCD or a CVD.
Again, here's the latest sample: http://ns1.shidima.com/kwag/farscape.mpg
or this one:
http://ns1.shidima.com/kwag/skvcd.mpg


-kwag

[DeLpHoNiC]

ive been trying to use them templates. So far bad luck. One of my movies Juice seems to look fine but the audio isnt in sync. : (. Ive done a lot of tests with the audio. tried slowing it down 1ms etcd but cant seem to get it right. im gonna keep trying though see what i can do. Im a bit new so dont really know what needs to be tweaked. ive burned so many cd's with test tracks. anyways, thx to everyone for there input i really appreciate it. If you have anything else to say pleaes do so especially if its helpful.

Peace

[LeeBear]

What source are you encoding the movies from? If it's from DVD I'd suggest you use a program like DVD2SVCD it'll pretty much automate everything and I haven't made a movie that had audio out of sync with it yet. If your source is a DiVX I suggest you use Virtual Dub to verify that the AVI doesn't have problems. Another thing you can try is to just use TMPG to encode just the video part, and Virtual Dub or another program to encode the audio. Then you mux them back together using 'MPEG Tools' in TMPG. TMPG maybe great at encoding video but it's known to not handle the audio part too well.

-LeeBear

[DeLpHoNiC]

Coo' thx for the info. I think im gonna try to encode video with tmpg and audio with virtual dub hopefully that works. Also, how do you check if the avi's audio has problems with Vitual Dub? i ask becuase it is a divx movie.

Thanks for your help,

PeaCe

[DeLpHoNiC]

I ripped the audio. How do i use tmpgnc to just encode the audio into an already converted video file? I know i select audio only in stream type, but whats teh difference between Audio only and System (Audio only).

Thanks in advance,

peace

[therick]

uuummm I have been getting 60+ minutes with CVD for months...with VHS source...

http://www.robbins.dns2go.com/vhs-test.mpg

[thxkid]

don't let any of them fool ya, those 60+ minutes on any disc is ok for computer monitors and TV less than 27in. but once you jump into 36 in. or plus, it really starts to look pixelized. I finally just bought a DVD Home recorder, problem solved, perfect copies now without all the problems that comes with VCD's and SVCD's. after recording on DVD-R, never go back to VCD's or SVCD's again waste of my time, because it does take way more time to rip and encode than just to record straight onto a DVD-R.

[LeeBear]

The difference between a system (audio only) and just audio is the system stream is multiplex and the audio isn't. Basically you'll be creating an mpg file without video just audio. If you just encode he regular audio you'll get an mp2 file. Since you'll be encoding the audio part using Virtual Dub or another program and then multiplex later when you encode the video part in TMPG you should just use "Video Only" as your stream type.
Basically what you want to do is:

1) Use TMPG to encode the "Video Only", which will give you a m1v, m2v, or mpv file.
2) Use Virtual Dub to encode the audio, which will give you a mp1, mp2, mp3, or mpa file
3) Use TMPG to multiplex the two file to get a mpeg system stream using "MPEG Tools", that will give you the desire mpg file.

-LeeBear

[LeeBear]

I forgot to check the avi for errors using virtual dub, there's an option under "Video" called "scan video stream for errors" it can take awhile to do the scan so you have to be patient.

-Lee

[Martyn1980]

The only way your going to get great quality on 2 discs for films around 2 hours is if your DVD player supports High bitrates and will let you set you Max Bitrate high when you use Mulitpass VBR, KVCD templates are ok and there is some impressive resluts, but really high action stuff still suffers, my 3 disc CBR SVCD version of Swordfish has more blocks than my 2 disc XSVCD VBR version, and that has a resolution of 720x576, learn different ways to encode first and avoid using pre made templates as it removes the learning as too much is done for you.



One more thing (Damn i sound like Columbo)checking for bad frames using Virtua Dub is a must, nothing worse than doing a 5 pass VBR that takes 8 or 9 hours and you find you a black screen with red writing for most of the video.