Hauppauge USB-Live2 vs PAL60

[rgr]

Has anyone managed to capture video using a PAL60 VCR (JVC, definitely not NTSC4.43) using this card?
There is such an option, but after switching to PAL60 in the device settings, the image is black and white. After a while, it automatically switches to NTSC_M.
Of course, the TV does not see the problem...

[rgr]

PS. What is the difference between PAL60 and NTSC4.43? There is no reliable information on the internet, except for one that I found that practically nothing except additional information in the PAL60 format.

[hech54]

I've done it several times but it's been so long since I've done it, I forget how I did it.

[Sharc]

PS. What is the difference between PAL60 and NTSC4.43?

These are just playback modes, not broadcast standards.

From Charles Poynton - Digital Video And HDTV Algorithms And Interfaces:

NTSC-4.43
The NTSC-4.43 scheme, sometimes called pseudo-NTSC
or hybrid-NTSC, enables playback of 480i NTSC mate-
rial on a monitor optimized for 576i PAL. The playback
signal uses 480i scanning. Chroma is modulated using
the NTSC method, but onto the 4.43 MHz color subcar-
rier frequency of PAL. (There is no PAL V-axis switch.)
A monitor capable of NTSC-4.43 operation requires
a vertical lock range sufficient to accommodate the
59.94 Hz field rate. The monitor’s 4.43 MHz color
subcarrier crystal is used to demodulate chroma;
a 3.58 MHz crystal is unnecessary.

PAL 60
PAL 60, sometimes called quasi-PAL, hybrid-PAL, or
pseudo-PAL, enables playback of 480i NTSC material on
a monitor optimized for 576i PAL. As in NTSC-4.43,
video is played back with 480i scanning. Chroma is
modulated using the PAL method onto the 4.43 MHz
subcarrier frequency of PAL. A monitor capable of
PAL 60 requires a vertical lock range sufficient to
accommodate the 59.94 Hz field rate. The monitor’s
4.43 MHz color subcarrier crystal is used to demodu-
late chroma; a 3.58 MHz crystal is unnecessary. PAL 60
is comparable to PAL-M, except that PAL-M’s precise
ratio of fSC to fH is not maintained.

NTSC 50
This scheme enables playback of 576i PAL material on
a monitor optimized for 480i NTSC. Video is played
back with 576i scanning. Chroma is modulated using
the NTSC method onto the 3.58 MHz subcarrier
frequency of NTSC. An NTSC 50-capable monitor
requires a vertical lock range sufficient to accommo-
date the 50 Hz field rate. The monitor’s 3.58 MHz color
subcarrier crystal is used to demodulate chroma;
a 4.43 MHz crystal is unnecessary. NTSC 50 is compa-
rable to PAL-N; however, chroma is modulated using
the NTSC method, not PAL, and PAL-N’s precise ratio of
fSC to fH is not maintained.

[DB83]

Yes. I have done it but I used Hauppauge's own capture program - WinTv. The downside is that only mpeg2 is supported.

[dellsam34]

The difference is in the chroma encoding, PAL60 chroma is encoded into PAL, and NTSC 4.43 chroma is encoded into NTSC, Both have the same chroma subcarrier frequency of 4.43MHz, both have the resolution of NTSC 525 scan lines.

[The_Doman]

In this thread it seems to have worked with a Hauppauge USB-Live2:

Purchasing an NTSC VCR for NTSC playback in PAL territory

[rgr]

Yes. I have done it but I used Hauppauge's own capture program - WinTv. The downside is that only mpeg2 is supported.

I tried with Hauppauge Capture. Unfortunately, the same as in AmarecTV or VDub. It's not possible. Tech support ignored me

[Aro]

Just discovered this issue.

Although isn't it interesting that while using Phillips VR1100 I get exactly the same colour distortion as shown here in the first post, I captured NTSC tapes perfectly fine with RTV Blaupunkt 966, with the same set-up otherwise (Hauppauge USB-Live 2 and AmarecTV).
I don't believe this is a multi-system model, so how is this possible?