VCR capturing: PAL/NTSC

[harky]

I manage to find a pansonic ES10 and connect to Hauppauge 610 USB-Live 2 (my vhs is using Pal-60)

I tried to use VirtualDub to capture into avi , but cant. It has a very heavy drop frame and it lag.
So i try to use Dscaler but i had audio error (dscaler wavein error)


i try AmaRecTV, it seen ok, but the setting is very confuse. I was wondering isit correct

[hech54]

An ES10 is a DVD player/recorder?

[Skiller]

PAL60 is unfortunately not supported by the Panasonic DVD/HDD recorders (such as the ES10).
You would need a VCR that outputs NTSC tapes in NTSC rather than PAL60.

[hech54]

PAL60 is unfortunately not supported by the Panasonic DVD/HDD recorders (such as the ES10).
You would need a VCR that outputs NTSC tapes in NTSC rather than PAL60.

A Hauppauge USB Live2 can capture PAL60(NTSC tape in a PAL VCR). I've done it several times.
I personally still have no idea what harky is doing or trying to do exactly.

[Skiller]

A Hauppauge USB Live2 can capture PAL60(NTSC tape in a PAL VCR). I've done it several times.

Sure, but if you intend to run the video through the ES10 beforehand that doesn't help. The video will be black and white if you select NTSC in the ES10's setup and if you select PAL it will be vertically shifted and squeezed and at the wrong frame rate (but in color). And those two are the only options you have. The ES10 just won't recognize PAL60.

The output of the ES10 is always either standard NTSC or standard PAL(50).

[harky]

delete

[harky]

a dvd recorder which had tbc build-in to stable vhs tape wave

An ES10 is a DVD player/recorder?

[harky]

LOL ok.

i intend to capture vhs by using Hauppauge USB Live2 into lossless .avi

the step up is
vhs player (PAL) -> Pansonic ES10 dvd recorder (PAL) -> Hauppauge USB Live2
mainly bypass ES10 is because it had built in tbc
(but my vhs tape, i suspect is NTSC).
Not possible to get a NTSC in my country.. we use pal player.. but tape can be import from other country like taiwan (which use NTSC)

i try VirtualDub but it has heavy drop frame in result the avi is a crap
Dscaler, give me an audio error (dscaler wavein error)

A Hauppauge USB Live2 can capture PAL60(NTSC tape in a PAL VCR). I've done it several times.

Sure, but if you intend to run the video through the ES10 beforehand that doesn't help. The video will be black and white if you select NTSC in the ES10's setup and if you select PAL it will be vertically shifted and squeezed and at the wrong frame rate (but in color). And those two are the only options you have. The ES10 just won't recognize PAL60.

The output of the ES10 is always either standard NTSC or standard PAL(50).

PAL60 is unfortunately not supported by the Panasonic DVD/HDD recorders (such as the ES10).
You would need a VCR that outputs NTSC tapes in NTSC rather than PAL60.

A Hauppauge USB Live2 can capture PAL60(NTSC tape in a PAL VCR). I've done it several times.
I personally still have no idea what harky is doing or trying to do exactly.

[harky]

LOL than what can i do?

clone the vhs tape?

A Hauppauge USB Live2 can capture PAL60(NTSC tape in a PAL VCR). I've done it several times.

Sure, but if you intend to run the video through the ES10 beforehand that doesn't help. The video will be black and white if you select NTSC in the ES10's setup and if you select PAL it will be vertically shifted and squeezed and at the wrong frame rate (but in color). And those two are the only options you have. The ES10 just won't recognize PAL60.

The output of the ES10 is always either standard NTSC or standard PAL(50).

[hech54]

LOL than what can i do?

clone the vhs tape?

Direct from the VCR to the computer.
Do you have the WinTV software that came with the Hauppauge?
That is the only way I know how to capture NTSC tape from a PAL machine(with the Hauppauge)....and it won't be lossless....it will be MPEG2.

What you are trying to do is NOT EASY. It took me years to get the right hardware/software combination to do this.

[harky]

this is not the step i want
this wont solve the tbc problem
mainly the vhs graphic has a wave & not stable. tht y i use es10 which has tbc

LOL than what can i do?

clone the vhs tape?

Direct from the VCR to the computer.
Do you have the WinTV software that came with the Hauppauge?
That is the only way I know how to capture NTSC tape from a PAL machine(with the Hauppauge)....and it won't be lossless....it will be MPEG2.

What you are trying to do is NOT EASY. It took me years to get the right hardware/software combination to do this.

[harky]

if i get this vcr..

does it may i can use either pal or ntsc tape?

[hech54]

if i get this vcr..

does it may i can use either pal or ntsc tape?

You are not listening.
EVERY PAL VCR allows you to watch both PAL and NTSC tapes on a PAL television....but
the output signal when you play an NTSC tape is almost impossible to record/capture.
EVERY PAL VCR is "multi-system" (as I just described above).
The Sony VCR claims it can do more than a normal PAL VCR....but it also has the term "multi-system" on it.
Is there any guarantee this Sony will output a true NTSC signal? I don't know.
I spent years playing the "maybe this VCR will help me" game....didn't work.

One last time......What you are trying to do is NOT EASY.

[harky]

alight.. than how do i know if the vcr is true NTSC?

the vcr i had on hand is only pal as it stated there

i think i still can get NTSC vcr but i need to know how do i identify it

if i get this vcr..

does it may i can use either pal or ntsc tape?

You are not listening.
EVERY PAL VCR allows you to watch both PAL and NTSC tapes on a PAL television....but
the output signal when you play an NTSC tape is almost impossible to record/capture.
EVERY PAL VCR is "multi-system" (as I just described above).
The Sony VCR claims it can do more than a normal PAL VCR....but it also has the term "multi-system" on it.
Is there any guarantee this Sony will output a true NTSC signal? I don't know.
I spent years playing the "maybe this VCR will help me" game....didn't work.

One last time......What you are trying to do is NOT EASY.

[jagabo]

alight.. than how do i know if the vcr is true NTSC?

Under the NTSC label it says "3.58, 4.43". Those might imply that it can output either PAL60 or true NTSC. Find the manual and see if it has an NTSC output option (3.58 MHz chroma subcarrier).

[hech54]

alight.. than how do i know if the vcr is true NTSC?

All I know is that you won't find a true NTSC(only) machine that has SCART connections.
If it has SCART connections....beware.

[harky]

how to see..
here is the manual
http://www.manualscenter.com/manuals/sony/slvx825mn-service-manual.html#.V1LKjfl96Uk

alight.. than how do i know if the vcr is true NTSC?

Under the NTSC label it says "3.58, 4.43". Those might imply that it can output either PAL60 or true NTSC. Find the manual and see if it has an NTSC output option (3.58 MHz chroma subcarrier).

[harky]

i dont think vcr come with any scart connections

alight.. than how do i know if the vcr is true NTSC?

All I know is that you won't find a true NTSC(only) machine that has SCART connections.
If it has SCART connections....beware.

[hech54]

i dont think vcr come with any scart connections

On the Sony VCR?
The sticker says "German Zweiton".....that VCR has SCART connections.

[harky]

i asked dont have SCART connections

[Brad]

Set that switch on the back to NTSC 3.58.

Also, LOL, a screenshot of a photo on your phone.

[harky]

haha i havent get..
i was looking for a ntsc vcr..
by switch tht back switch will output real NTSC 3.58?

or u think this is true ntsc :<
http://www.ebay.com.sg/itm/THOMSON-VCR-VIDEO-CASSETTE-RECORDER-/272260761783?hash=item...kAAOSwEeFVPJXG

Set that switch on the back to NTSC 3.58.

Also, LOL, a screenshot of a photo on your phone.

[hech54]

i asked dont have SCART connections

Wow.....what in the hell is that machine?

The Thomson VCR description says "NTSC PlayBack on PAL TV".....that's what every European PAL VCR says on it.

Again, like i told you before...

I spent years playing the "maybe this VCR will help me" game....didn't work.

[harky]

u mean It Sony VCR SLV-X825MN?
i not sure, just happen to saw it.. maybe get this one and play with it..
if cant i just give up...

i asked dont have SCART connections

Wow.....what in the hell is that machine?

The Thomson VCR description says "NTSC PlayBack on PAL TV".....that's what every European PAL VCR says on it.

Again, like i told you before...

I spent years playing the "maybe this VCR will help me" game....didn't work.

[Skiller]

NTSC PlayBack on PAL TV means PAL60 (and yeah, pretty much any European VCR has it), but that VCR has a switch to make it output NTSC tapes in NTSC 3.58, which is what you want. So go for it.

[harky]

i bought the set and set to NTSC, it play prettty well
But when i use VirtualDub, it had drop frame... how

NTSC PlayBack on PAL TV means PAL60 (and yeah, pretty much any European VCR has it), but that VCR has a switch to make it output NTSC tapes in NTSC 3.58, which is what you want. So go for it.

[Skiller]

Did you use the Panasonic ES10?
If yes then the only ways to have dropped frames in VirtualDub are problems with your capture computer.
The output of the ES10 is stable, no matter how crappy the input signal coming from the VCR – so any signal instabilities do not make it past the ES10.