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    Windows 8 = Windows Vista = Windows Me
    I am skipping 8 and wait for 9
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  2. The reviewer seems to be prone to exaggeration, to put it kindly. Or maybe he's just incompetent. Many people commenting on the article think so.

    It is interesting how Windows releases seem to alternate between good and bad. Windows 7 fixed what stunk about Vista, it's a very good OS indeed. I doubt I'll be looking to replace it any time soon.

    It will be interesting to read comments from members here who have experience with Windows 8.
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    no thanks. i despise tablets and have no interest in making my desktop look or work like one. weird mouse gestures and alt/windows key shortcuts are a joke.
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    Can't you just disable the metro or whatever it's called? But then it's probably just like win7 so no point upgrading anyway.
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    The internals are generally better than that of Win 7, with some significant improvements in some features, but they need to work on the GUI, with another system for desktop use.

    What I won't like are any features that will restrict installing various software.
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  6. I think the review is spot-on. For a Desktop all those little annoyances add up to a very frustrating experience. It's probably fine for a touch screen tablet.
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  7. I understand the idea of the Metro layout for casual computer users who insist on leaving their computers on all the time. The tiles live updating with email, facebook, twitter, etc. is probably very appealing to them. I know a lot of people who have computers in their family room, kitchen or den and leave them on all the time with a slide show or animated screen saver going. These people seem a good fit for the metro tiles.
    Me, my computer is on when I am using it, email client always running in the back ground, and off when I am not using it. I may buy the W8 upgrade since they are pricing it so cheaply, but chances are I will never install it and keep my W7 and XP machines as they are.

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    The guy who wrote the article is not exaggerating and he's not incompetent either. They've been beta testing win 8 at the computer centre at the local univ for months now. There's not much there I haven't heard before.

    I'm not saying it's not good in its own way. From what I can tell it's more stable than win 7. But, yes, while in win7 if you have the tablet version it's a smaller version of the desktop version, in win 8 it's the reverse. No thanks.

    Also, in win 7 they moved away quite a bit from backwards compatibility. In win 8 they've gone much further. Metro is basically zero percent backwards compatible. That's not really a bad thing ... backwards compatibility had been Microsoft's albatross for 15-20 years ... but it's going to cause a lot of headaches.

    While I'm not saying it's a bad OS per se I don't like the direction they're going. I am not a perfectly happy ubuntu user. I was mostly using linux ports anyway.
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    Microsoft has always followed rather than led yet somehow convinced the non-techies out there that they are an "industry leader" in everything they do. I strongly suspect with Win 8 that someone near the top read too many IT blogs talking about the "death of the PC" and they decided to just gamble that maybe those articles are right because history has shown that if they swing and miss (ie. Vista) they'll never be punished by consumers for making a mistake. I believe Win 8 will fail spectacularly and Win 9 will simply be Win 8 with a Win 7 like GUI slapped on top of it. I've been hearing how "tablets are going to kill the PC" since around 2000 so I tend to be skeptical about such thinking.
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  10. Originally Posted by Hoser Rob View Post
    The guy who wrote the article is not exaggerating and he's not incompetent either.
    So, if you're a professional and want to be taken seriously, you'd put bullet points above each paragraph using phrases like:

    "...out and out disaster"
    "...pain in the arse"
    "...complete farce"
    "...and they're awful"
    "...awful"
    "...bafflingly terrible"
    "...unworkable"
    "...abysmal"
    "...just needs to stop"
    "...lose their mind"
    "...more complicated and less useful"
    "...bafflingly unusable"
    "...random and delightful bugs and compatibility issues"

    I'd prefer a less strident tone. And would it take you half an hour to figure out how to shut down?

    I have no interest in tablets or making my desktop behave like one. That's a good enough reason for me to skip Windows 8.
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    would it take you half an hour to figure out how to shut down?
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  12. Originally Posted by jagabo View Post
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    would it take you half an hour to figure out how to shut down?
    Yes.

    Alright then, you convinced me.

    The question is, are there enough people out there who will adapt to Win8, grudgingly or otherwise?
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    This one is dedicated to the Microsoft fanboys:

    http://amplicate.com/hate/windows8

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    Change for the sake of change. The only real improvement was the change when Windows went to 32 bit. The mice are and will follow the Microsoft business model and buy yet another OS they don't need. Having wasted another hundred dollars they will praise the decision to buy W8 no matter how bad it is.
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    Originally Posted by wulf109
    The only real improvement was the change when Windows went to 32 bit.
    I have to disagree on that. Moving to the nt platform starting with xp onwards was the major push. The 9x variants always seemed to need a reinstall after 6 months or so, give or take. I did have win 2000 for awhile and loved it but it was not for games so I moved to xp with the next computer I had. NT in xp and later (the basics even though its not truly "nt" anymore) made it so much more stable.

    Personally I'll be waiting on win 8. I'd only get it if I bought a new computer most likely. However I'm sure I could adjust to the "desktop" mode after awhile. It shouldn't be too different.

    Besides won't there be a tweak ui for win 8?
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  16. I'll spend $40 for the introductory Win8 upgrade only because you can use it as a Win7 license.
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    Originally Posted by jagabo View Post
    I'll spend $40 for the introductory Win8 upgrade only because you can use it as a Win7 license.

    the upgrade is only for already installed valid "genuine" installs of xp, vista or 7. it needs to already have a license.


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  18. To answer Baldricks question 'can you disable metro'?

    Well, a quick Google search on that shows you can use third party software to do it. Or you can do a registry hack. Most Win 8 users won't do either.
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  19. Originally Posted by aedipuss View Post
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    I'll spend $40 for the introductory Win8 upgrade only because you can use it as a Win7 license.
    the upgrade is only for already installed valid "genuine" installs of xp, vista or 7. it needs to already have a license.
    I have XP licenses. And there are easy ways around the previous license requirement.
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    Originally Posted by jagabo View Post
    I'll spend $40 for the introductory Win8 upgrade only because you can use it as a Win7 license.
    the upgrade is only for already installed valid "genuine" installs of xp, vista or 7. it needs to already have a license.
    I have XP licenses. And there are easy ways around the previous license requirement.
    from what i've read not this time. the install has to be started from the o.s. you are upgrading even if you want to do a clean(re-format) install.
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    It's 2012. Why the hell can't MS make modular shells? Gnome, KDE have been options for a while in Linux-land. Leave the OS engine alone and let the damn user choose which shell they want.

    Business computing will NEVER, I repeat N*E*V*E*R move wholely away from actual tactile devices like keyboards & mice, because of the speed/productivity benefits. And if you have those, you should have a GUI that fits using those as your main input.
    Tablets & other gestural (and probably later on, voice control) UIs will coexist alongside. It's not a zero-plus-gain situation. Both camps can grow their userbase. Whoop-di-doo if tablets end up taking the majority - wouldn't you rather have 30% of a $200 billion market vs. 80% of a $70 billion (don't quote me on those #'s, I'm just pulling them out of my ass)? But you see what I mean? There is no reason for MS to abandon a stable & well-used (and possibly well-liked) GUI, even if there are improved alternate ways of interacting with computers. This is SO shortsighted.

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    For what it is worth, I just bought a Windows 7 license for the new PC I want build within the next year. The price was too good to pass up, and it will allow me to keep using Media Center for free. So I will probably wait a while to upgrade to Windows 8. If I can make room for it quickly enough, I may install the Windows 8 RC to play with it for a little while. I find Metro to be unpleasant to look at. I don't think I'll be using it.
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  23. Originally Posted by Cornucopia View Post
    It's 2012. Why the hell can't MS make modular shells? Gnome, KDE have been options for a while in Linux-land. Leave the OS engine alone and let the damn user choose which shell they want.

    Business computing will NEVER, I repeat N*E*V*E*R move wholely away from actual tactile devices like keyboards & mice, because of the speed/productivity benefits. And if you have those, you should have a GUI that fits using those as your main input.
    Tablets & other gestural (and probably later on, voice control) UIs will coexist alongside. It's not a zero-plus-gain situation. Both camps can grow their userbase. Whoop-di-doo if tablets end up taking the majority - wouldn't you rather have 30% of a $200 billion market vs. 80% of a $70 billion (don't quote me on those #'s, I'm just pulling them out of my ass)? But you see what I mean? There is no reason for MS to abandon a stable & well-used (and possibly well-liked) GUI, even if there are improved alternate ways of interacting with computers. This is SO shortsighted.

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    I'd almost agree with completely Scott, regarding tablets in the business world, except for the proliferation of after market keyboard cases for tablets. My wife uses her iPad in her ggrad school class for most everything, including short papers because she has a keyboard case and a bluetooth mouse to use wit it. I know others who do the same both for business and personal use. I imagine the W8/Metro style tablets will allow the same expansion possibilities.

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    I uninstalled windows 8 after 10 days for now. want to try later again.

    Good or Bad, Microsoft might have given the option to enable or disable or use both. I felt it is difficult to use many applications.

    Business users are migrating just now to windows 7 (from XP), So no luck for MS there.
    I also do not think MS will attract more than ipad and android for tablets, So So no luck for MS there.

    So what for windows 8.
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    would it take you half an hour to figure out how to shut down?
    Yes.
    You better sell your PC, call and have your ISP service disconnected, sell your microwave (if you have one) and live by making food in your toaster!!!
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  26. Business users are migrating just now to windows 7 (from XP), So no luck for MS there.
    That's true, my company is installing 7 on all their PC's and laptops. They had XP since 2002 and given that 7 will have extended support until 1/14/2020 I doubt they will upgrade until then.

    As for my personal PC's, I'm happy with 7 and have no use for 8.
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  27. Originally Posted by chicken264 View Post
    I uninstalled windows 8 after 10 days for now. want to try later again.

    Good or Bad, Microsoft might have given the option to enable or disable or use both. I felt it is difficult to use many applications.

    Business users are migrating just now to windows 7 (from XP), So no luck for MS there.
    I also do not think MS will attract more than ipad and android for tablets, So So no luck for MS there.

    So what for windows 8.
    If you decide to try Windows 8 again try installing Classic Shell. You can set it so Win 8 boots directly to the desktop and gives you the start button back. Almost like having Win7 with all the improvements of Win 8.
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    Originally Posted by MOVIEGEEK View Post
    As for my personal PC's, I'm happy with 7 and have no use for 8.
    Yea, but many of us were saying that not long ago about XP & not needing Vista & W7

    Yes, Vista was the "bastard" child between the two, XP & W7, so W8 may also be......
    W9, Windows Master OS, Windows Ultimate OS, The Best OS ever!! Etc. ??

    We may have to wait a year before M$ wants to release another new OS to make another trillion dollars!!!
    LOL!!!

    But at least they are not as bad as Apple!!!!!
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    Originally Posted by hudsonf View Post
    If you decide to try Windows 8 again try installing Classic Shell. You can set it so Win 8 boots directly to the desktop and gives you the start button back. Almost like having Win7 with all the improvements of Win 8.

    Thanks. Will try, I also heard few more such programs.
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