Will 480x480 23.976 mpeg2 file work with standalones in SVCD

[C0MMAND0]

Nero says the file is not svcd compliant. Is this true or not?

[Stinky]

480x480 23.976fps is the standard for SVCD NTSCFilm

if Nero is complaining then there might be something wrong with the mpeg itself because thats correct for a standard SVCD NTSCFilm

make sure you selected SuperVCD in Nero

it may play on your DVD player regardless - my Pioneer will play almost anything - but not all DVD players are that flexible so you might have to re-encode it

[Mirror_Image]

I just did a short test to see if I could duplicate the problem. I used TMPGenc 2.53 to encode a 1 minute avi file to NTSC Film SVCD 23.976fps with the default template. I then opened Nero 5.5.8.0 and used the wizard to start a new SVCD project and dragged the new NTSC Film SVCD into Nero, which checked it and found no problems at all.

[eatin sammiches for lunch]

theres probably uncomliance in the audio......btu dont worry nero isnt a svcd bible....just cuzz it says its not compliant doesnt mean it wont work..........for example...XSVCD (uncompliant svcd)

[poopyhead]

could be your version of nero....certain versions are more picky about compliance than others

[vitualis]

Actually, the SVCD specs only allow for two framerates:
25 fps for PAL
29.97 fps for NTSC

There is no NTSC-FILM spec for SVCD (unlike VCD). Thus, Nero is probably right (but who knows what it is actually thinking... ).

That being said, most DVD players can play FILM framerate SVCDs just fine.

Regards.

[poopyhead]

vitualis, well...with 3:2 pulldown, FILM turns out to be 29.97 fps anywayz...

[Mirror_Image]

There is no NTSC-FILM spec for SVCD (unlike VCD). Thus, Nero is probably right (but who knows what it is actually thinking... ;-) ).

That's odd, because when you go to http://www.vcdhelp.com/svcd.htm (this very site) it lists 23.976 as an allowable NTSC SVCD frame rate. I'll quote:

PAL


Video:
max 2524 kbit/sec MPEG-2 (if the audio is in 224 kbit/s), audio + video bitrate max bitrate is 2748 kbit/s.
480 x 576 pixels
25 frames/second
with up to 4 Subtitles

Audio:
from 32 - 384 kbit/sec MPEG-1 Layer2
with up to 2 Audio Tracks

Extra :
Menus and chapters.
Still pictures 704x576,352x288




NTSC / NTSCFilm


Video:
max 2524 kbit/sec MPEG-2 (if the audio is in 224 kbit/s), audio + video bitrate max bitrate is 2748 kbit/s.
480 x 480 pixels
29,97 frames/second
23,976 frames/second (NTSC Film)
with up to 4 Subtitles

Audio:
from 32 - 384 kbit/sec MPEG-1 Layer2
with up to 2 Audio Tracks

Extra :
Menus and chapters.
Still pictures 704x480,352x240

Also, as I said earlier, Nero 5.5.8.0 didn't even blink at a 23.976fps NTSC SVCD mpg when asked to encode it to a compliant SVCD project - it didn't even say that it needed to reprocess it (nor did it say that it had to make a non-compliant SVCD), which it always does if it is not within spec.

[vitualis]

I believe that it is mistaken -- which is why you need to use the pulldown proggy on 23.976 fps clips for them to work.

Nero may or may not do it automatically now (it didn't use to).

http://www.vcdimager.org/pub/vcdimager/manuals/0.7/vcdimager.html#SEC11

However, as stated previously, it will most probably work on most DVD players.

Regards.

[Stinky]

Oddly enough even TMPGEnc has a template for SVCD NTSCFilm !?!?!

Thats why I said it was a standard - I figured that if there was a default template in TMPGEnc then it was supported

[vitualis]

Well, TMPGEnc also has non-standard VCD templates as well (128 kbit/s audio)... and the older versions of it don't have a "FILM" SVCD template.

As I stated however, if you make a 23.976 fps SVCD a particular way though (i.e., putting in 3:2 pulldown flags), it will work on most DVD players. Some DVD players can probably even telcine it on the fly without the flags. However, this doesn't necessarily mean that it is the "standard" and it is important to recognise it as such.

Regards.