Trying to rotate a video made with a cellphone without the black margins

[Hatteras]

Hello

Ive spent almost half my day trying to convert a video made with a cellphone in mov format that was recorded sideways. I can rotate it fairly easily using movie maker or any number of programs but once rotated the black margins (dont know the technical term) become way wider than they were when the image was horizontal, here are the images so you can see the difference (hopefully) in aspect ratio.




It really is frustrating me beyond words. Ive tried dozens of programs all afternoon and evening/night and while I can make the video vertical theres no way I can replicate a decent aspect ratio, or crop the video to any extend without destorting the image or losing a noticeable part of the original frame. I really need help from you , video editing gurus, to make the video look well enough, with thin margins instead of those huge black things at each side

Which programs do I need, and if you feel helpful enough, which steps do I have to follow in those programs?

[V Bot]

You may want to look into a program that could crop the video first and then rotate. I'll have to see if I have one to give you a name.

[Cornucopia]

The simple and immutable answer is NO.
You MUST compromise in at least one of these areas (cropped size, aspect ratio, borders).

Scott

[FulciLives]

You could crop it but then you would end up with something like this:

[manono]

Eh? Can't you just rotate it? For example, using AviSynth's TurnRight:

[Baldrick]

Eh? Can't you just rotate it? For example, using AviSynth's TurnRight:

Yep. Or with avidemux, video->filters->transform->rotate.

But if you want to it keep it in normal 16:9/4:3 aspect ratio you must crop then.

[manono]

Eh? Can't you just rotate it? For example, using AviSynth's TurnRight:

Yep. Or with avidemux, video->filters->transform->rotate.

But if you want to it keep it in normal 16:9/4:3 aspect ratio you must crop then.

Oh, I see. So, if he wants to make a DVD, then he either has to crop or add black borders. Yes, I understand. Do we know the final output is destined for DVD? Is that all this Windows Movie Maker produces - DVDs? If so, and if Hatteras will be happy with something besides a DVD, then he should use something else. Like the AviDemux you mentioned.

[Hatteras]

thanks guys for the answers


I can rotate the video, no problem there. The problem was that once rotated to a vertical position the image itself seems to change width. As you can see from the pictures posted while on horizontal the image is far wider than when rotated to a vertical stand. I tried yesterday and today as well with many programs and all seem to convert the image to this thinner version that shows more the black margins than the image itself. since looks like theres no solution I'll have to keep this ultra thin version of the video. I was sure there was a way to do this without losing any image but appears I was wrong.

thanks all the same, this is a great forum, I'll be posting more in the future

[olyteddy]

Rotating it doesn't affect the aspect ratio at all. This is the vertical image rotated, resized and overlayed on the black bordered one.

[budwzr]

Have you tried stretching it sideways? That would help eliminate the black bars.

[manono]

The problem was that once rotated to a vertical position the image itself seems to change width. As you can see from the pictures posted while on horizontal the image is far wider than when rotated to a vertical stand.

No problem there. In the 720x480 picture she's supposed to look thinner. It's when you play back the 16:9 DVD that she regains her proper aspect ratio. The 16:9 tells the pDVD player how to resize the video at playback. It'll become something like 854x480, and she'll put on a lot of weight.

So, you really are making a DVD? If so, I might suggest AVS2DVD as a much better program than the one you're currently using. You might also do something about your black levels as they're way too washed out.

[Cornucopia]

Or, you could keep the original video as is, and rotate your TV screen. Seems all the rage at retail stores.

Scott