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[JayBTV]

How in the hell does YouTube determine w/in 5min of uploading that a 10min clip of video I used is from a 1987 movie? There's no way possible. I've tried encoding in different formats (MPG, AVI, etc) - still rejected (saying possibly owned by Fox). Of course it is (c) someone but there's no way Youtube should be able to make that call on some random ass footage from a crappy movie w/ replaced audio that quickly.

Tried more than ten times tonight/morning to put it up.

Used TMPGenc to **** w/ the gama, contrast, etc. Chopped .8 seconds off the start. Doubled the framerate. Noise reduction. CRC can no way be similar to anything a computer (YouTube) would know.

Started to get freaky.

Finally reverted to Dailymotion which I'd heard about but never used.

Any idea how the F Youtube could tell this video was something flaggable? I mean w/in a few seconds it rejected it saying it belonged to Fox (which it actually DOESN't per IMDB).

Here's the video - thanks for any insight:

http://www.dailymotion.com/user/JayBTV/video/xanl8n_dave-matthews-banned-monkey-man-off_music

[JayBTV]

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Oh and before I reverted to DM I even tried using WMCapture which captures local data sent to my monitor. Bypasses DRM even when I need to capture a live stream of some sort.

How in the hell did Youtube know that the data I sent it (1s and 0s) even when I used TOTALLY different sequences were something they could object to.

BTW it's the best video I've ever put together. Totally random. Love both the movie and the band. Both audio tracks in the "video" are unreleased and essentially stolen from the band that played them. The first cut "Monkey Man" was from a leaked Studio Album. The very end is from a soundcheck some kid taped from like the parking lot.

So here we have a movie no one saw w/ two rare audio tracks yet YouTube finds a way to block it for over five hours in spite of different encoding formats - totally different sequences - different methods of ripping.

I _just about_ got out my webcam to film the god damn monitor but the f*n thing must be thinking cause I KNOW it would have rejected that shit too....

Little Help?

http://www.dailymotion.com/user/JayBTV/video/xanl8n_dave-matthews-banned-monkey-man-off_music

[jagabo]

I think they fingerprint the video and/or audio.

[jman98]

I think jagabo is correct. It's been forced on them by lawsuits. Some entertainers (ie. Monty Python) eventually figure out that it's just easier to cooperate with things like You Tube and they can use it as a conduit to make money (the official Monty Python channel has links for buying DVDs). Other entertainers or the company they work for are hostile towards things like You Tube and want everything taken down that they didn't authorize. Whatever method they use is proprietary because if you knew how they did it, you might be able to defeat it and that would just lead to more lawsuits. I'm sure that Google has had their fill of lawsuits over unauthorized content. If your clip was shorter, say 1 minute or less, you might have an argument that as an excerpt it met the test for Fair Use and they might have let it slide, but that's not a given. I have seen a lot of very short clips from TV shows and movies of 30 seconds or less that You Tube hasn't blocked.

I'm just gonna be blunt here. 99% of us don't care about helping you upload anything to You Tube, period, and we really don't care about helping you upload a 10 minute video clip that is possibly copyright infringing. Yet somehow your life will continue to go on, despite not being able to upload this clip. Why do so many young people have 100% of their self worth tied up in being able to upload crap to You Tube? Don't you think that maybe your priorities are seriously out of whack if it makes sense to you to spend 5 hours (!!!) trying and failing to upload something to You Tube that you didn't create and don't own? Suppose you do get it up there and then they remove it a week later. Are you going to kill yourself?

[guns1inger]

They have a pretty accurate audio comparison system in place. I recently had to upload a some footage from a live dance concert for a friend's website. She pays for all the performance rights etc through the local record company reps, so it is all above board. Youtube flagged it as soon as they had finished processing it. In this case there is no copyright breach, and through Youtube's copyright process it will be sorted out.

The technology being used is impressive, if typically US centric..

[hech54]

Never mind....it's a technical issue.