Premiere CS4

[piquenia]

Hi all,
is there a difference in PAL, NTSC AND HDV?
This is how my file properties looks like:
Type: MPEG Movie
File Size: 250.9 MB
Image Size: 1440 x 1080
Pixel Depth: 32
Frame Rate: 25.00
Source Audio Format: 48000 Hz - compressed - 6 channels
Project Audio Format: 48000 Hz - 32 bit floating point - 6 channels
Total Duration: 00:04:05:24
Average Data Rate: 1.0 MB / second
Pixel Aspect Ratio: 1.3333

I am using this :
For editing with IEEE1394 (FireWire/i.LINK) HDV equipment.
16:9 interlaced HD video at 25 frames per second.
48kHz audio.

Pixel Aspect Ratio: HD Anamorphic 1080 (1.333)
Fields: Upper Field First

How can I export it the best way to NTSC?
I am using premiere cs4.
I feel like i am doing something wrong here.
Thanks![/u]

[aedipuss]

you are in the u.s. so you shouldn't be using 25 fps / pal at all. what is the source of the file? you have a mix of pal HDV video size at a very low bit rate and some other audio for a file property.

[piquenia]

Well unfortunately this is how i shot it. no return. camera no longer in my possession. Maybe i am mistaking reading the file info? I think not.
What should i do next?
Thanks so much.

[piquenia]

This is how the file extension look like: m2ts

[edDV]

Did this come from an HDV camcorder in a PAL country?

6 channel audio seems odd.

[poisondeathray]

If those specs are accurate, it might be a better idea to use avisynth to do your pal=>ntsc conversion, then edit in premiere using ntsc sequence/project settings

Can you open the file in mediainfo and post the text report back here?

[piquenia]

Hi, Thanks for the fast reply!
luckily I don't need the audio, just the visuals
Here is the text I got from mediainfo:
Format : BDAV
Format/Info : Blu-ray Video
File size : 39.5 MiB
Duration : 31s 168ms
Overall bit rate : 10.6 Mbps
Maximum Overall bit rate : 18.0 Mbps

Video
ID : 4113 (0x1011)
Menu ID : 1 (0x1)
Format : AVC
Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile : Main@L4.0
Format settings, CABAC : Yes
Format settings, ReFrames : 2 frames
Duration : 31s 120ms
Bit rate : 9 745 Kbps
Width : 1 440 pixels
Height : 1 080 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16/9
Frame rate : 25.000 fps
Resolution : 24 bits
Colorimetry : 4:2:0
Scan type : Interlaced
Scan order : Top Field First
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.251
Stream size : 36.2 MiB (92%)

THANKS.

[piquenia]

It is PAL country

[piquenia]

Btw, I need to know the steps, what should I do first?
I need to mask the video, one video image appears on top of the second.
not something too complicated i hope.
should I convert the files before or after I work on this keying?
Thanks again.

[edDV]

It is PAL country

We know that but why on Blu-Ray? Where did 6 channels of audio come from?

This project is beyond amatuer level to get to an NTSC DVD.

[piquenia]

Well forget about the audio. I only need the image.
Need some directions please.

[aedipuss]

well if you want to use cs4 then set up a project using pal HDV 25i specs. import files and edit. then file/export mpeg-2 dvd/ntsc 23.97p widescreen. what you will end up with will be usable to author ntsc dvds. there will be a slight hitch once a second as a frame is dropped to go from 25fps to 24fps.

if you would change your forum profile to accurately reflect where you are i wouldn't have assumed you were in the united states - ntsc land.

[piquenia]

Thanks so much, this is exactly what i needed( as the amateur that i am)

[piquenia]

and well I shot elsewhere, the farthest place from here, now I am back to US and have no opportunity to re-shoot.
Thanks again.

[edDV]

You should have stated up front this was PAL HDV camcorder video. Still not clear how you transferred it to Blu-Ray.

Aedipuss' method will get you a quick and dirty NTSC DVD but a transfer house could do a better job if this is important. Many Blu-Ray and DVD players will play 25 fps PAL directly. This needs to be tested on your target players. For this you would set a PAL HDV project and export to PAL DVD.

[piquenia]

well, the camera is not mine and (sorry) I don't know what blu-ray is,
what i did was to use mediainfo to analyze the m2ts file. This is what i got.
I need this videos to be shown in a gallery space, two pieces are projected- hopefully I can find a HD projector. The other two pieces are being played on screen, probably I will need to purchase those screens- any suggestions?. In my mind, now I see i was wrong though, HDV is neither PAL or NTSC.
What is the best way to maintain the HD?
Thanks for your reply.

[poisondeathray]

I need this videos to be shown in a gallery space, two pieces are projected- hopefully I can find a HD projector. The other two pieces are being played on screen, probably I will need to purchase those screens- any suggestions?. In my mind, now I see i was wrong though, HDV is neither PAL or NTSC.

HDV can be either PAL or NTSC spec. You probably don't have footage from a HDV camera, it looks more to be PAL spec AVCHD

First figure out what your display device is going to be, and test it out, or you're going to be wasting a lot of time.

Find out what formats are accepted (e.g. does it accept AVC? are you playing from PC? blu-ray? how are you feeding it into the projector?) e.g. If you use a laptop or PC, then you don't have to worry about PAL vs NTSC.

What is the best way to maintain the HD?

If you want to maintain HD, use HD settings. I know this sounds vague, but you don't know what your final format goal is...

[filmboss80]

I still don't think you get it. HDV and AVCHD are the video recording formats (codecs), while PAL and NTSC relate to types of video signals recorded to the camcorder media. In Europe and much of Asia, video cameras are set for the PAL TV system. In North America and Japan, video cameras are set for the NTSC TV system. In the US, DVD and Blu-ray players are NTSC, as well as most every video projector.

If you still have the PAL HDV (or is it AVCHD?) camcorder, you have an option of making a PAL tape from your Premiere project, so that you could play back the recording on that same camcorder -- but you would need to rent a multistandard video projector that can handle a PAL signal (hard to find in many cities).

Or else, you can take your PAL recording and have it converted to NTSC at a place specializing in those services.

There are also ways to do PAL-to-NTSC conversions on your own with various software tools, but it is a royal pain and the results often leave a lot to be desired. I do not know if such methods can be applied to HD footage.

Also keep in mind that DVD players will not play HD. You would need to plan on outputting to Blu-ray.

I don't think it's an understatement to inform you that you are in WAY over your head.

[piquenia]

great, more challenges then. Great help though, Thanks. I have an option of converting it in a specialized place, I will do it as soon as possible.
AVCHD is the format i shot it in. The camera is no longer with me.
I am sorry I shot it in this method, If i had only known the problems I will encounter I would just use a regular cam recorder NTSC.
....
I guess I am over my head. But this project is due soon, I have no choice but to fight it.
if you have any other suggestions please let me know.

[aedipuss]

are you going to burn the files onto a blu-ray(HD) disc or a dvd(either as HD or SD)? or are you planning to use a computer to feed the video to the projectors?

i would suggest the latter as you can leave the entire video project in PAL HD and not have to convert it. most HD projectors will accept it. check with a local commercial video rental agency for projectors and screens, they can probably figure out what you'll need depending on how much light is in the room you'll be in. high lumen output projectors are very expensive to buy.

[piquenia]

since it is my own exhibition I can pretty much get what I need. I can loan a screen from a store and probably HD projector as well. I just needed to know what to aim for. I can leave one video on my computer, then hook it up to a HD projector. About the other 3, two videos I will convert to NTSC( I'll take it to a specialized place) and the last video will be on a flat screen- which i need to get- need to know what kind of screen to get. Can a screen be hooked to a computer as well?
Thank you aedipuss. filmboss.poisondeathray and edDV
knights on shiny armor

[redwudz]

This isn't a user guide. Moving you to our Editing Forum.

[piquenia]

yes, good.

[poisondeathray]

Check out your local pro camera shops, university AV departments, etc... for rentals, including screens, HD projectors. Even borrow from a friend / rent laptops and make sure they have HDMI out. Most HD projectors will accept PAL/NTSC/SECAM , but double check the model to be sure

I don't see any reason to convert here (or pay someone to convert) to NTSC, unless you are planning on making a DVD.

When you say "flat screen" do you mean a LCD or Plasma TV model? Are you looking to buy or rent these things?