small frame with movie in the corner of another movie

[cobra1]

My first post, so hello forum!
Now I need to do something like this, as it's seen often in TV news, when small picture with reporter is added in a corner of big picture from studio. If my explanation isn't enough, here's a picture from a game Indigo Prophecy, with the effect I talking about:

Now, couple of questions:
1. Do this type of effect has any special naming? It would be much easier to find any reliable info, if I at least know what movie makers call effect like that.
2. Anyone do know if there is any plugin to VirtualDub that would allow me to do something like that (their forum is closed, so I can't ask there)?
3. If above is NO, them can I do that in sony vegas 9 by any chance? Never used sony vegas so any further reference "how to", more or less, would be helpful.
4. If above is NO, any other tool that would allow me to do that? My PC is old, so please don't suggest any new fancy tools with high system requirements, as I will not be able to use those, and I prefer old ones anyway (because of much more reliable interface, not shiny buttons everywhere, as often are see in new applications).

Thanks for any info and help.

[newpball]

1. Do this type of effect has any special naming? It would be much easier to find any reliable info, if I at least know what movie makers call effect like that.

PIP, e.g. picture in picture.

2. Anyone do know if there is any plugin to VirtualDub that would allow me to do something like that (their forum is closed, so I can't ask there)?

Use an NLE.

3. If above is NO, them can I do that in sony vegas 9 by any chance? Never used sony vegas so any further reference "how to", more or less, would be helpful.

Place two clips on the timeline, scale the top one to a smaller size and move it to the corner.

[Cornucopia]

Vdub cannot internally do that, because it only works on one video stream at a time. However, AVISynth can EASILY do this, with Overlay() or similar methods, and then that script can then be loaded into Vdub. as a "single stream" source.

But nearly every nle can do this, including all versions of Vegas.

Scott

[jagabo]

I think you can use Donald Grafts' Logo filter for VirtualDub to do PIP. But you have to break the small video up into a sequence of image files (which you can do with VirtualDub).

[cobra1]

Thanks for help. I did it with AVISynth and Overlay() as Cornucopia sugested. I forgot to say that the "small frame" wasn't suppose to be on entire timelife of the movie, but only in the part of it, and I didn't know how to put range of frames in AVISynth, so I did it like this (I don't have experience with AviSynth, so it's a little messy, but did the job):

main_p1 = avisource("main.avi").trim(29, 2610) # trimed from begining to the fragment with pip
main_p2 = avisource("main.avi").trim(2882, 3353) # trimed from pip inset to the end
main = avisource("main.avi")
main_pip = main.trim(2611, 2881) # On this there will be PIP inset
pip = avisource("pip3.avi") # this is a frame for Pip
pip1 = pip.trim(77, 375).FadeOut(15) # trimed the pip a little to fit it better

pip_done = Overlay(main_pip, pip1, x=0, y=0)
main_p1+pip_done+main_p2 # all together to one file

A lot of variables, but I'm quite happy about the final effect (except fadeOut was seen on preview in virtualdub, but didn't work after rendering, but it looks terrible on preview anyway, so I don't care). There is a way to do this without cutting the movie on parts, only affect the range of frames I want?

As for vegas, I tried it and had fun with new capabilities. Now I see what I was missing out with VirtualDub, although I have some issues with it (didn't save my project properly leaving "empty" black spaces on movie, and added a letterbox, where it shouldn't), so I'm kinda happy about capabilities, but disappointed with rendering. Anyone can suggest any similar tool to vegas that doesn't need more than 1 gb ram work work? I wanna play with fancy stuff a little more.


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[smrpix]

I'm kinda happy about capabilities, but disappointed with rendering. Anyone can suggest any similar tool to vegas that doesn't need more than 1 gb ram work work? I wanna play with fancy stuff a little more.

More than likely the Vegas errors are actually new-user errors that will be solved with a little more study. If you're working on an old system with little RAM, stick with Vegas. It's remarkably efficient in its use of system resources.

[poisondeathray]

As for vegas, I tried it and had fun with new capabilities. Now I see what I was missing out with VirtualDub, although I have some issues with it (didn't save my project properly leaving "empty" black spaces on movie, and added a letterbox, where it shouldn't), so I'm kinda happy about capabilities, but disappointed with rendering. Anyone can suggest any similar tool to vegas that doesn't need more than 1 gb ram work work? I wanna play with fancy stuff a little more.

I agree with smrpix - those sound more like user errors - you need to set up the project properties and export settings properly in vegas so it doesn't letterbox

aviutl is free and lightweight NLE. In some ways it's easier to use, but in some ways it's harder to use. Each newer version of vegas eats up more an more ram and resources (same with other NLE's), so if you're using an old version you might be ok.

[budwzr]

...I'm kinda happy about capabilities, but disappointed with rendering. Anyone can suggest any similar tool to vegas that doesn't need more than 1 gb ram work work? I wanna play with fancy stuff a little more.

Sony Movie Studio is well known to work on slower computers. Version 9 is the first version to support HD. (If I remember correctly)