Burnt DL playback question on DVD players, Edit: fixed

[WBFAir]

Hello all

I'm having an issue with Burnt DL DVD disk playback on my Yamaha DVD-C750 DVD player, (yes I have tried Verbatim disks and IMGBurn)

At any rate in going through my documentation, the specs on my C750 don't state that it can play DL disks but I know I have been playing store bought and rented DL without issue which I guess is another question as to why this is but that is not really the point of this post.

So now I'm looking at the next model up the DVD-C961 and it does state in the specs that it can play DL disks, at least in the manual so, and I know this is a hard question to answer but anyones best guess would still be better then nothing, do I have a better shot at having that player be able to play the burnt DL disks then the C750 as it states it can do this in the manual while the C750 doesn't

Thanks

Edit: Well it looks like I may have found the solution to this problem. although I've only tested it with one disk so far (a Memorex one btw) I think I found the solution to this problem in that the problem was that my player would not recognize a disk burnt with a DVD-DL heading for the Book Type. I checked a few of my store bought DL disks that worked and despite being DL in setup and capacity they were all Book Typed as DVD-ROM's.

I then checked the disks I burnt and found that they had all been burn as DVD-DL.

Next I also found out that my player although listed here as being able to play DL disks is not listed as having that capability in the manual or the Yamaha website. I would suspect the people who reported that probably used or burned DL disks that were not Book Typed as such.

At any rate, even though it was a pain to figure out how to set up IMGBurn to burn the disk as a DVD-ROM (had to find out that my Sony Burner was actually a Samsung, then add its device ID under the Samsung part of the change Book Type settings, then changed a DVD-DL to burn as a DVD-ROM) once I did I was finally able to burn the disks as DVD-ROM and wallah it worked!!!!

Well I hope this helps others and I'm gonna see if I can add a review to the C750 with this info in it.

Thanks to all who help, everyone little bit by little bit help me figure this out so thanks.

[fritzi93]

A look at the DVD player list to the left shows two reports on your player, one specifically stating it WILL play burnt DL discs, the other saying it plays everything thrown at it. Not much to go on, admittedly, but...

Perhaps you should provide greater details on your methods. Also on your burner and whether you've tried a firmware update. Furthermore, you haven't adequately described what problems you're having, e.g. navigation, layer break, stuttering, what? JMO, but I'd recommend ruling out other possible problems before blaming the player. Good luck.

[WBFAir]

Hello fritzi93, yeah as far as the player is concerned I really don't know for sure if it can or can't play Burnt DL DVD's but so far I, and with the help of several others here at this form in other sections for a few days now, have yet to be able to figure out why I can't get my Burnt DL's to play.

Actually I don't really need to specify to much on the problem as they simply will not play at all, all I ever get is a "No Disk" from the player on any burn I try so I don't know what the problem is.

Just to note, I read those reports too and I would think that Burnt DL DVDS are what they mean too but then again they didn't specify they were Burnt DL's just that they were DVD+R DL's.

Anyway trust me if I could get these to work I would much rather do that as the last thing I want to do is dump another $300+ bucks on almost identical DVD player so if you have any suggestions I would be glad to here them.

Also just to note, the burner I'm using is a true, Sony DRU-840A. In using Neros ID tool it states it can burn DVD-DL disks. Its firmware is being reported as SS01, which I think may be the latest available Firmware but I'm not really sure. Do you have any suggestions at to a place or website that is the best for finding and or downloading Firmware for PC DVD burners ?

Thanks

[oldandinthe way]

Your symptoms are identical to the symptoms I have obtained trying to play burnt DL disks on players which won't read burnt DL disks.

The same disks of course work elsewhere.

In my opinion $300 is way too much for any DVD player. Consider a $30 commodity DVDplayer from a big box store and return it if it won't read your disks.

[jman98]

I've posted on your other thread. Sorry I can't help you with booktype issues, which may or may not be your problem. A few random thoughts...

Given the price you quote, your player is surely several years old. These days it's hard to find players that won't play DL discs, but such players did exists, particularly in the past. If you have such a player, you're out of luck.

Some of the people who post what players will play here are liars. Or they might check one thing (say one burned DVD+R disc) and they will simply post that it "plays everything" when they have not even tried to see if it will play VCD, SVCD, DVD-R DL, DVD+R DL, DVD+/-RW - well, you get the picture. It is possible that they are telling the truth but they have a good player and you have a defective one, but most likely they are wrong about the player "playing everything".

To give you an idea of what happens on forums sometimes, about 5 years ago I got into a discussion with a guy on another forum who was just adamant that an Apex DVD player would play DVD format on CD-R discs. The player would not, but he just kept insisting that it would. I sent him a personal email and asked him what version of the firmware he had and where he got his player and so on and he replied that uh, well, he um didn't actually own the player, he just read elsewhere that it would play those discs.

The suggestion to buy a cheap DVD player is well worth considering as you can easily find one that will play your DVD+R DL discs without any heartbreak. If you want to get a good player, Oppo makes some well regarded ones - see http://www.oppodigital.com but they don't make mult-disc players.

[fritzi93]

The "no disc" message would lead me to think it doesn't read DLs. Or that particular one, anyway. (And one has to assess reviews at left with caution. :P) The way to eliminate the possibility the discs are buggered somehow is to try another player, of course.

CDFreaks is the best resource for info on burners/firmware, but I doubt it would do you any good.

I second the advice to get a cheap player, I use a $40 Philips upconverter, plays everything.

[EDIT] Jman beat me to it on review reliability, also booktyping. I didn't even think about booktype, it's not much of an issue anymore, although my first DVD player was finicky about it and would give a no disc message on +Rs unless they were booktyped to ROM.

[WBFAir]

Yeah the no disk thing is what leads me to believe it isn't able to, at least in the case of a burn't DL DVD, read the DVD too. Again, although it has been reported to read DL disks and as I mentioned, I have had this be the case too with store bought and or rented DL disks, it isn't listed in the Manual as being able to read them while the next model up is, which would lead me to believe that it isn't designed to do so as I think Yamaha would have mentioned it if it were.

An interesting thing to note, I just checked a 7.64 GB store bought disk I have, I'm assuming its DL because of the size and the fact that I do get a pause in its play and its Book Typed as a regular DVD. Also IMGBurn is reporting it as having two layers as well. I would suspect that this probably that case with a lot of the store bought DVD's so that they can be played on more players?

Anyways thanks for all the help so far, it is appreciated.

The only thing I may be able to try next is to see if I can't get IMGBurn to burn the disk with the Book type as a regular DVD.

If this works I guess it would be best to make a post to the report thing for this player so others will know.

Thanks again.