Help with DL DVD burn no playability :edit fixed

[WBFAir]

Hello all.

I recently tried my first DL DVD burn and found that I can't seem to get it done so that it will playback on my standalone DVD player.

The burner in my PC I am using is a true Sony DRU-840A and the player I am using is a Yamaha DVD-C750 that I have performed the Region free hack to. I have had both products for a while and have never had any problems getting any regular DVD's that I've burned or DL DVD's I've bought or rented to play in either one.

The disk that I burned the DVD to is a Memorex DVD+R 8X 8.5G with its media code being RITEK...S04

The Software I used was Nero Ver 7.2.3.2, I used the express option version to burn it and I burned it at its maximum allowable speed of 8x.

At this point the disk will play find on my PC but when I put it in my Yamaha DVD player it comes up saying "No Disk"

I'm thinking at this point it may be a media related problem so I was just wondering if anyone had any advice on a better media to use, (hopefully one that their pretty confident would work as those things are a little pricey to play trial and error with.)

But also if anyone has any advice, thoughts or ideas on anything else I could try such as burning options or better burning software I could try or basically anything else I could try or check I would really appreciate it.

Thanks

Edit: Well it looks like I may have found the solution to this problem. although I've only tested it with one disk so far (a Memorex one btw) I think I found the solution to this problem in that the problem was that my player would not recognize a disk burnt with a DVD-DL heading for the Book Type. I checked a few of my store bought DL disks that worked and despite being DL in setup and capacity they were all Book Typed as DVD-ROM's.

I then checked the disks I burnt and found that they had all been burn as DVD-DL.

Next I also found out that my player although listed here as being able to play DL disks is not listed as having that capability in the manual or the Yamaha website. I would suspect the people who reported that probably used or burned DL disks that were not Book Typed as such.

At any rate, even though it was a pain to figure out how to set up IMGBurn to burn the disk as a DVD-ROM (had to find out that my Sony Burner was actually a Samsung, then add its device ID under the Samsung part of the change Book Type settings, then changed a DVD-DL to burn as a DVD-ROM) once I did I was finally able to burn the disks as DVD-ROM and wallah it worked!!!!

Well I hope this helps others and I'm gonna see if I can add a review to the C750 with this info in it.

Thanks to all who help, everyone little bit by little bit help me figure this out so thanks.

[guns1inger]

First mistake - Memorex discs.

Second mistake - burning with Nero.

To date, the only media to produce consistent results is Verbatim +R DL made in Singapore. While some people do have luck using other media, they generally get a high incidence of coasters as well.

Nero is only a fair DVD burning application at best, and an extremely poor one when it comes to burning DL discs. Imgburn is the most consistent DVD Video burning application around, and is also the one of the very few truly compliant DVD Video burning application currently still in development. Nero is not one of these.

So install Imgburn, buy some decent media, and watch your luck change.

[WBFAir]

Thanks guns1inger, I suspected as much, I'm not really much of an expert about this stuff although I do know a little.

Basically even though I've had these components a while, yesterday I had the first situation where I needed to burn a DL disk so I ran out to Staple and bought the only kind of DL disks they had so thats why I got what I got.

I see the Verbatim's are very high on the Newegg review list so I'll have to give them a try, btw what do you think of this one http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817130007

As even with the 8X this disk took about 40 min's to burn I'm hoping the with the extra 10X it might be a bit quicker but I know that doesn't always translate into a better burn so if you think that could be an issue I might be better of saving a few bucks and going with a less speed rated version.

I'm gonna try the IMGBurn with the one of the remaining disk I have and see if that does anything, (might as well as I got nothing to lose)

Thanks for the advise.

[guns1inger]

It is still only an 8x disc, so don't expect to get a 10x burn from it. I haven't seen or used these discs, so I don't know how they compare to the 2.4x that have been around for a while.

[WBFAir]

Thanks guns1inger

I just found these, again with very high rating and there in stock local to me so I'll have to give them a try.

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=7642777&st=DVD+DL&lp=7&type=product&cp=1...=1134697746522

[lordhutt]

First mistake - Memorex discs.

Second mistake - burning with Nero.

To date, the only media to produce consistent results is Verbatim +R DL made in Singapore. While some people do have luck using other media, they generally get a high incidence of coasters as well.

Nero is only a fair DVD burning application at best, and an extremely poor one when it comes to burning DL discs. Imgburn is the most consistent DVD Video burning application around, and is also the one of the very few truly compliant DVD Video burning application currently still in development. Nero is not one of these.

So install Imgburn, buy some decent media, and watch your luck change.

I often get a lot of advice in these forums but this is one thing that I can't totally agree with.
I have burned many 1000's of dvd's with the majority of them being with Nero (the rest with DVD Decrypter when possible) and also probably at least half with Memorex discs....problems? Practically never.

So I don't understand why all the bashing of Nero and most media.
I always see the Verbatim recommended like guns1inger said as well as Taiyo Yuden (sp?) probably more with one reason being that any other media wont work after so many years...I have discs almost 10 years old that work fine.

I am actually considering changing media as I do have much respect for many of the posters here but as I said I have yet to have any problems as of yet.
BTW: I know your post was regarding DL media...I don't have much exp. with it and my reply was generally aimed at SL media...but the comments made by gun1linger are always made about all DVD media on these forums.

[guns1inger]

If you read my post, I did say some have had success with other media, however when it comes to consistent results across many users, burner and players, Verbatim DL discs have no competition.

Somebody gave me a handful of Imation +R DL discs thinking they were being nice to me. Personally I would not have purchased Imation discs, however so far 4 out of 4 have burned and played successfully.

I know a lot of people use Nero and like it. I used to be one of them, before it became an over-bloated, under-achiever. Again, for some, it works and suits them. But again, this does not make Nero the best package for use. Imgburn is technically superior to Nero when it comes to DVD Video burning. That is just how it is.

[lordhutt]

Yeah, I know...but the general consensus here seems among many here seems to be that Verbatim & Taiyo Yuden are the only media worth purchasing...although the average consumer will probably never even here of Taiyo Yuden since no major chains carry them.

I agree with you about the overbloating of Nero...which is why I still use an older version...6 or something like that. I have used Imgburn as well.

[VegasBud]

WBFAir,

If you can wait a few days for delivery, newegg has these 8x Verbatim DVD+RDL disks for only $33 (after mail-in rebate) for a 30 pack. They cost about a quarter as much per disk as the ones you saw at bestbuy. The rebate only lasts for another week, and appears to only be good for one pack, but $1.10/disk is the cheapest I've ever paid for Verbatim DL.

[VegasBud]

lordhutt,

I don't think it's so much "bashing" nero for burning, or using other media, as helping others to get the most reliable, trouble free burning they can.

Even with single layer media, nero insists on packing the data as tightly as possible, removing intentionally inserted 32k gaps, which adversely affects the long term reliability of the burned disk. It may, or may not, cause a problem down the road, but it introduces the possibility. Rather than take a chance, most people just use ImgBurn, which doesn't have that problem, and is free to boot.

For dual layer burning, nero puts the layer break wherever it's internal algorithm tells it to, with no user input allowed. ImgBurn allows you to easily set the layer break in the best available location. Given that proper layer break selection is a key consideration in producing the most aesthetically pleasing dvd-video disk, it's not unreasonable to recommend that people go with the software most likely to work well for them.

Verbatim and Taiyo Yuden media are widely recommended because they are most likely to give good results, in most systems (both burning and playback), for most people, and be reliable for a long time. It's their consistency that sets them apart.

Here in Las Vegas, you have the best odds if you stick to blackjack (or craps if you're knowledgeable). When burning dvd media, you get the best odds by using ImgBurn combined with Verbatim or Taiyo Yuden media. It doesn't mean you can't hit the jackpot by going another way, but a good gambler and a good "burning technician" know how to use the odds in their favor.

[filmboss80]

It is gratifying to know that lordhutt is having generally good experiences with his DVD burns. However, the OP asked about double layer burning, which is a constant source of trouble for many people posting on this forum. Guns1inger's advice is on the money -- tried and tested again and again by countless others. In this case, there is no bashing or favoritism behind the advice. If you want to burn DL discs that will be playable on a variety of units, nothing has been proven to work consistently as well as the combination of Singapore-made Verbatim +Rs burned with ImgBurn.

[lordhutt]

Thanks for the knowledgeable replies there guys.
I am seriously considering re-doing many of my backups following the media and software advice....just to be safe.

[guns1inger]

Ultimately, the right answer is "whatever works for you", and for some people, what works best does defy conventional wisdom. There are also other factors at play. Some brands use different manufacturers in different regions - TDK seem to release low quality discs in the US, but some of their discs in the UK are made by TY. Out here they have a two tiered system, with the top tier being quite reliable, and the lower tier not so much. When I first started coming here, Ritek were very well regarded and recommended. Then they shifted their manufacturing methods and location, and their reputation fell away very quickly. However months after Ritek was being bagged in the forums, we could still purchase the quality stock over here.

DL is the oddity though. I don't whether or not most companies saw it only as a stop gap between single layer DVDs and HD/BR, or it is just that hard to get right, but no-one seems to have put the effort into getting it right that Verbatim did. And what did they do when they had it working and had the market lead - they shipped some of the manufacturing off to India and and now effectively have a two tiered quality system.

[dadrab]

DL is the oddity though. I don't whether or not most companies saw it only as a stop gap between single layer DVDs and HD/BR, or it is just that hard to get right, but no-one seems to have put the effort into getting it right that Verbatim did. And what did they do when they had it working and had the market lead - they shipped some of the manufacturing off to India and and now effectively have a two tiered quality system.

I recently bought a cake box of MII DL Verbatims. Thus far, they've been every bit as reliable as the good old MIS discs. Perhaps Verbatim's manufacturing standards in their India facility have been raised since the first production runs.

Just as an aside, I can always get Verbatim discs, both SL and DL, at Office Max. Look for them there. While always available at reasonable prices, they go on sale sometimes too.

[WBFAir]

Ok guns1inger hopefully your still subscribed to this post as I just thought I would give you an update.

I got the Verbatim disks I had linked below http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=7642777&st=DVD+DL&lp=7&type=product&cp=1...=1134697746522 and used IMGburn using the instructions I found herehttp://forum.imgburn.com/index.php?s=7ec9e8797d6007915289e1bf075d9169&showt opic=4643 and nogo

I tried this on two different DVD DL videos I had and neither worked.

The next thing I tried was to use DVDShrink to reduce them down to a single disk and wallah, they worked!

Still can't figure out why I can't get the DL to burn right but at least I'm able to watch the DVDs on my surround sound and LCD

One thing I forgot to mention as I didn't think it had anything to do with it was that both of these movies were in PAL and I'm in the US so I'm watching it on NTSC equipment but as I mentioned, one I have my player setup with the region free hack, and two, when I converted them I left them in the PAL format and everything worked fine so I'm pretty much at a loss as to what the problem is.

I guess the last thing I should mention is that I used as TDK brand DVD+R disk for the compressed SL burn, I don't know if that has anything to do with it as I just would find it hard to believe that my fancy relatively new and expensive Yamaha player would have a problem with at least the Verbatim disk, I think I'll try one of the Memorex DL for a single burn and see if that works. I really don't want to waist one of the Verbatims for this as I only have two left.

Aside from that is there anything else you can think of to check as if I can't get the DL thing to work I'll be pretty ticked as I spent a lot of money on this stuff so I could.

Thanks.

[Noahtuck]

Not all standalones will play DL burned disc's.

[WBFAir]

So just so I understand you correctly, it may be possible that it will play store bought or regular production DL disk's but there are some that will not play "any self burned" disks, no matter how its ripped, changed or what software is used to burn it or what disks are used ?

If this is the case is there any pages that may list what players do or do not do this or is there any standard or description that is used to go by to let me know if a player can or cannot do this ?

[lordhutt]

try this...

https://www.videohelp.com/dvdplayers

[Noahtuck]

So just so I understand you correctly, it may be possible that it will play store bought or regular production DL disk's but there are some that will not play "any self burned" disks, no matter how its ripped, changed or what software is used to burn it or what disks are used ?

Correct.
Store bought dvd's are "pressed" they are not recorded or "burned".

[[_chef_]]

WBFAir,

crossposting is not good, it just created redundancy and confusion...