Sony Vegas Question

[ChristianPaprika]

I have a question. For a professional is gonna be easy.
Maybe even gonna laugh about Me.
Let's see, if I can get ansver and solution.

I was tryed to editing videos. And the results is prety okay.
And one of the days, Im open My Sony Vegas 7.0 again.
And take one video from My collection, and just drag in
to the timeline. But what.. Just a soung go there. No video
line. Again, and again. Try with others, what before I'm
already open few days. NO. Just the sound going there.

My god.. What happend with My Vegas.

I hope somebody can help about My question. Maybe over
My MSN messenger: ChristianPaprika@HotMail.Com

Please, I ask kindliy somebody to help. Thanx for attention.

Christian

PS.: If I open the videos what I was render with Vegas, they
are open good. With Audio and Video timeline.

[Cornucopia]

Render HOW? Using what settings?

There are many formats that you can render from Vegas. Easily some of them are NOT directly reimportable. You should tell us more. You should also be sticking to formats that ARE appropriate for editing, such as DV.

Now if you were to tell us that you DID render as DV, I'd have to say you screwed around with some codec paks or something, and the problem is probably system-wide, not just with Vegas...

Scott

[Knightmessenger]

Are these clips that are missing the video already rendered to a final output video or are they just raw capture files from the media pool. If they were rendered, it could be something with the file you rendered it as. Will those clips play with the video correctly in other applications like windows media player? If they were from the media pool, then I have absolutely no idea what could have gone wrong.

[ChristianPaprika]

I am use to editing My Canon PowerShoot S80 .AVI videos. 640x320/30fps.
The raw files what is 2 week ago easy open (audio and video timeline) now
the same raw files just open in the sound timeline.

If I open those raw files with Windows Movie Maker, and I render example
320x240 512kb (broadband video) I can open that file easy with Vegas,
and I get the timeline, sound and video to.

I think so. The codec things is not okay here. Because I was instal some
codec pack for watching movies.

What I can do now? How can I check whats wrong.

Kind regards guys for Ya,
Christian
Amsterdam

Render HOW? Using what settings?

There are many formats that you can render from Vegas. Easily some of them are NOT directly reimportable. You should tell us more. You should also be sticking to formats that ARE appropriate for editing, such as DV.

Now if you were to tell us that you DID render as DV, I'd have to say you screwed around with some codec paks or something, and the problem is probably system-wide, not just with Vegas...

Scott

[ChristianPaprika]

Those raw files, play every where. Windows Media Player, Windows Movie Maker,
WinAmp, etc etc just in Vegas not. And I dind't do nothing with the Vegas.

I do not understand whats the problem. But I guess the codec things in not okay..

Still looking for solution.

Christian

Are these clips that are missing the video already rendered to a final output video or are they just raw capture files from the media pool. If they were rendered, it could be something with the file you rendered it as. Will those clips play with the video correctly in other applications like windows media player? If they were from the media pool, then I have absolutely no idea what could have gone wrong.

[Cornucopia]

Video editors and players, such as Vegas, can use a combination of importing/rendering paths:
1. Their own internal program libraries
2. Windows VFW system libraries
3. Windows Directshow system libraries
4. 3rd Party program libraries

The 1st one can't get messed up unless you overwrote or corrupted Vegas' files/folders (not likely).

3rd party libraries can get overwritten by an install that has a "newer" or "variant" version of the library in it. When this occurs, the app that is using the newly overwritten library will work fine, and some apps that use "generic" features of the library may still work even though they would have been expecting the older version of the library. But an app like Vegas, which might use particular features and expects it to react in a particular way, will crap out on you because the old version of the library is GONE.

Windows VFW and Directshow libraries could work like this also, but you (sh)(c)would be able to notice it sooner if you had multiple editor/player apps installed (and ALSO knew which ones used VFW and which ones used Directshow, and could pinpoint which libraries got changed). But this can get confusing because it can be an EITHER/OR/AND_MAYBE_ALSO situation.

Summary of all this is probably that you screwed yourself with some of those codec paks. You should go back to an earlier restore point, as "uninstall" probably won't fix everything.

Scott

[ChristianPaprika]

I think so! HeHe.. I mean You write down all your knowledge about this all.
But don't forget, I am very beginer on this area. So is coming another question.
How can I un-instal those codecs or drivers or what. I was removed the ff or
what codecs pack, and the DivX pack, what I was put for watching movies.
But do not help. So whats further..

Thax for attention
Christian

Video editors and players, such as Vegas, can use a combination of importing/rendering paths:
1. Their own internal program libraries
2. Windows VFW system libraries
3. Windows Directshow system libraries
4. 3rd Party program libraries

The 1st one can't get messed up unless you overwrote or corrupted Vegas' files/folders (not likely).

3rd party libraries can get overwritten by an install that has a "newer" or "variant" version of the library in it. When this occurs, the app that is using the newly overwritten library will work fine, and some apps that use "generic" features of the library may still work even though they would have been expecting the older version of the library. But an app like Vegas, which might use particular features and expects it to react in a particular way, will crap out on you because the old version of the library is GONE.

Windows VFW and Directshow libraries could work like this also, but you (sh)(c)would be able to notice it sooner if you had multiple editor/player apps installed (and ALSO knew which ones used VFW and which ones used Directshow, and could pinpoint which libraries got changed). But this can get confusing because it can be an EITHER/OR/AND_MAYBE_ALSO situation.

Summary of all this is probably that you screwed yourself with some of those codec paks. You should go back to an earlier restore point, as "uninstall" probably won't fix everything.

Scott

[racingintherain]

If XP, click the following -

Start
All Programs
Acccessories
System Tools
System Restore
Select "Restore my system to an earlier time" then the Next button.
Select a date on the calendar that is displayed before the time you installed the Codec Pack - when Vegas was working. Highlisgt the System Restore Point item in the calendar date square.
Click Next
Click Next again
System will restore earlier settings and reboot.

This should work. I had to do this for a Vegas problem myself, although it didn't involve a codec pack. UNLESS you deactivated the "create restore points" function in your setting.

[edDV]

I am use to editing My Canon PowerShoot S80 .AVI videos. 640x320/30fps.
The raw files what is 2 week ago easy open (audio and video timeline) now
the same raw files just open in the sound timeline.

Those files are native MJPeg in an avi wrapper. They work fine in my Vegas but I can't tell you which application installed the Mainconcept MJPeg decoder that Vegas is using. I wish Windows identifyed the source program that loaded the various codecs.

[ChristianPaprika]

My god, I think, I made a big mistake with this all codecs instalation.
I did this restoring. But still have a problem. I don't know what can
I do anymore. I really don't wanna format or reinstal all windows.
I didn't know is so difficult. Still a big question, how can I un-install
all codecs from My comouter. (now looks I don't have any codecs).

And the strange. If Im open those raw files with Windows Movie Maker
and render any kind of format. After the Vegas open good. With audio
and video timeline.

Christian

If XP, click the following -

Start
All Programs
Acccessories
System Tools
System Restore
Select "Restore my system to an earlier time" then the Next button.
Select a date on the calendar that is displayed before the time you installed the Codec Pack - when Vegas was working. Highlisgt the System Restore Point item in the calendar date square.
Click Next
Click Next again
System will restore earlier settings and reboot.

This should work. I had to do this for a Vegas problem myself, although it didn't involve a codec pack. UNLESS you deactivated the "create restore points" function in your setting.

[Cornucopia]

And the strange. If Im open those raw files with Windows Movie Maker
and render any kind of format. After the Vegas open good. With audio
and video timeline.

Not so strange.

One codec's handler app may be completely different from another, so rendering/importing in one format may work fine compared to some other codec which is corrupted. No surprise there.

Note: WMM does NOT render any kind of format. It only renders 2 types: WMV and DV-AVI. And the DV-AVI is ONLY when you go deep into the [options] part of the render dialog.

So what Vegas hasn't been corrupted for reading WMV...you REALLY don't want to be editing with that format anyway. You need to fix your setup correctly instead of using a low quality workaround...

...

Have you tried REINSTALLING Vegas since your System Restore?

Scott

[terjeber]

My god, I think, I made a big mistake with this all codecs instalation.
I did this restoring. But still have a problem.

I don't know what happened between the time when this was working, and when it stopped working, but the problem is that you do not have an MJPEG codec on your PC. That is, not one that Vegas can use. Uninstalling all the codecs would not have any positive impact on your problem. What you need to do is to install an MJPEG codec.

You can download an MJPEG codec from http://www.free-codecs.com/Motion_JPEG_Codec_download.htm

After installing this you should be fine. Let me know if you are not.

[ChristianPaprika]

Thats was the first. I reainstal the Vegas. But isn't help.

Chris

And the strange. If Im open those raw files with Windows Movie Maker
and render any kind of format. After the Vegas open good. With audio
and video timeline.

Not so strange.

One codec's handler app may be completely different from another, so rendering/importing in one format may work fine compared to some other codec which is corrupted. No surprise there.

Note: WMM does NOT render any kind of format. It only renders 2 types: WMV and DV-AVI. And the DV-AVI is ONLY when you go deep into the [options] part of the render dialog.

So what Vegas hasn't been corrupted for reading WMV...you REALLY don't want to be editing with that format anyway. You need to fix your setup correctly instead of using a low quality workaround...

...

Have you tried REINSTALLING Vegas since your System Restore?

Scott

[ChristianPaprika]

Yeah! Here the man! What can I say, You are cool.
Im stupid for those kind of things. But You find.
Now My Vegas works again.

Thank you very much!

I got another question. I can get some good videoshoots.
But I wanna know what codecs the best for Me and My
Vegas? I can choose this few:
wmw2, mpeg4, xvid, msmpeg4v2
Which one is the best to import those videos to Vegas?

Thanx for all your attention guys! Kind regards for all!
Christian
Amsterdam

My god, I think, I made a big mistake with this all codecs instalation.
I did this restoring. But still have a problem.

I don't know what happened between the time when this was working, and when it stopped working, but the problem is that you do not have an MJPEG codec on your PC. That is, not one that Vegas can use. Uninstalling all the codecs would not have any positive impact on your problem. What you need to do is to install an MJPEG codec.

You can download an MJPEG codec from http://www.free-codecs.com/Motion_JPEG_Codec_download.htm

After installing this you should be fine. Let me know if you are not.

[Cornucopia]

For stuff that you intend to import into Vegas, edit, and create a finished product (where quality is the key thing), I'd suggest in this order of quality (but in reverse order of filesize savings):

1. Uncompressed (No compression, no "codec") RGB or YUV4:2:2
2. JPEG2000 or TIFF or TGA picture sequences
3. Losslessly compressed RGB or YUV4:2:2 like Lagarith or HuffYUV
4. DV codec (built-in to Vegas and Windows)
5. M-JPEG (most sub-formats built into Vegas, though not necessarily Windows)
6. Hi-bitrate AND/OR I-frame MPEG2/Divx/Xvid/WMV9

In terms of convenience, DV is by far the easiest to work with.

For stuff you intend to export from Vegas to directly watch or upload to the Internet, I'd use something like this order:

1. H.264
2. WMV9
3. DivX/Xvid
4. MPEG2
5. Flash
6. MPEG4 (other than the previous above)
7. MPEG1

You don't normally use the same codec for 1) Acquisition, 2) Editing/Storage and 3) Delivery.
Individual tools that are optimized for the job, not One-Size-Fits-All swiss army knife.

Scott