Problem burning DVD+DL disks

[ejai]

I've been attempting to burn double layer disks that will work on my standalone players. What I have been getting is a world of defective burns, no consistancy whatsoever. 1 out of 4 disks may work well.

I changed the writing speeds down to 1x on both of my double layer burners and I continue to get the same results. I have a Sony double layer burner on my desktop and my laptop also has one and both give me the same results. I have a HP Pavilion laptop with ( I guess a HP double layer burner).

I tried different brands such as Ritek, Verbatim, Sony and TDK double layer disks and end up with similar results. I've also used several different softwares to burn the disks with, such as DVD Fab, 1Click DVD Copy and DVD Shrink.

The strange thing is that when I use DVD Fab to create a split disk using a dvd-r (4.7gb) all is well. Splitting the single disk into 2 disks using dvd-r disks work fine but when I attempt to use a dvd+r DL I get disk read errors.

I prefer to use one single disk than to swap out disks.

Hopefully someone here has had this experience and knows a solution to this issue.

Thanks

[louv68]

Burn using ImgBurn onto Verbatim +R DL discs.

[ejai]

Thanks for your response, but do you think the software might be the problem?

[louv68]

Thanks for your response, but do you think the software might be the problem?

Hard to tell. ImgBurn in combination w/ Verbatim discs is a proven way to burn DL

[jman98]

The following link:
http://www.digital-digest.com/~blutach/pgcedit_guide/burning_with_pgcedit/burning_with...pgcedit_v2.htm
describes a way to use PgcEdit to generate ISO files from rips and then burn them with ImgBurn. Using this method and Verbatim DVD+R DL discs, I have had only one coaster. If you use any other brand of DL discs or you use -R DL discs, you are asking for problems.

[TBoneit]

jman98, I have to ask why would you so convoluted a method? Why not just use imgburn from ISO or VIDEO_TS folder?

I just use imgburn and it works fine. I author a DL for example in tda3 then burn with imgburn and use it to check where the layer break should go. So far they all play fine. Verbatim MIS media of course.

[ejai]

Thanks for the replys, I just downloaded and used ImgBurn to create an ISO and burned it using ImgBurn and it worked well so far. I don't have any Verbatim disks with me but I do have Ritek and it seems to work fine.

I am trying another burn now using another video disk that would not burn correctly. I will let you know if it worked.

Thanks again.

[Jim44]

Glad it worked out, just be aware that all reports (here and at the ImgBurn forums) are that Verbatim are the only DL media that give consistent burns.

Also, since you are new to ImgBurn, I'll mention (and TBoneit alluded to it) that you can use "Build" mode to burn directly from a VIDEO_TS folder, without the "extra" step of creating an ISO. Depending on what you are doing that can be handy.

My 2 cents,
Jim

[jman98]

jman98, I have to ask why would you so convoluted a method? Why not just use imgburn from ISO or VIDEO_TS folder?

I just use imgburn and it works fine. I author a DL for example in tda3 then burn with imgburn and use it to check where the layer break should go. So far they all play fine. Verbatim MIS media of course.

Paranoia. I have no way to know if rips preserve the 32K gap or not as nobody anywhere where I have read has ever mentioned a way to check. Hence the only way I know for sure that the gaps are preserved is to rip and re-create them with PgcEdit. My way works for sure, but whether it's really necessary or not is a very valid question. I work in IT and I've learned NEVER to just assume things are what you want, so until someone can provide a method for how I can see if the original disc uses 32K gap blocks and I can check prior to ripping, I'll continue with this method. If I had a way to see the gaps on the original DVD then I could just rip it as an ISO and burn and save a little time, but again, I need someone to provide info on HOW to check this and nobody has. Since I have no way to know if the original DVDs use 32K gap blocks, my method ensures that they exist because I create them myself, but I'm certainly welcome to someone telling me how to check this prior to ripping.

[bbanderic]

jman98, I have to ask why would you so convoluted a method? Why not just use imgburn from ISO or VIDEO_TS folder?

I just use imgburn and it works fine. I author a DL for example in tda3 then burn with imgburn and use it to check where the layer break should go. So far they all play fine. Verbatim MIS media of course.

Paranoia. I have no way to know if rips preserve the 32K gap or not as nobody anywhere where I have read has ever mentioned a way to check. Hence the only way I know for sure that the gaps are preserved is to rip and re-create them with PgcEdit. My way works for sure, but whether it's really necessary or not is a very valid question. I work in IT and I've learned NEVER to just assume things are what you want, so until someone can provide a method for how I can see if the original disc uses 32K gap blocks and I can check prior to ripping, I'll continue with this method. If I had a way to see the gaps on the original DVD then I could just rip it as an ISO and burn and save a little time, but again, I need someone to provide info on HOW to check this and nobody has. Since I have no way to know if the original DVDs use 32K gap blocks, my method ensures that they exist because I create them myself, but I'm certainly welcome to someone telling me how to check this prior to ripping.

PgcEdit is unnecessary IMO. ImgBurn WILL use the IFO/BUP 32K padding when creating an ISO and when burning straight from the Video_ts folder. The 32K padding is on by default in the settings and is verified before burning/creating ISO. Personally, I think creating an ISO rather than burning straight from the Video_ts folder is adding an extra step, but to each his own.

To burn straight from the Video_ts folder, use this guide:

http://forum.imgburn.com/index.php?showtopic=1780

To create a DL ISO from video_ts files use this guide:

http://forum.imgburn.com/index.php?showtopic=1777


As far as determining whether an original disc contains 32k gaps or not, I don't know, but by ripping the DVD in FILE mode and using one of the methods above to burn Video_ts/create ISO will ensure the 32k gaps, guaranteed.

[lordsmurf]

PgcEdit lets you choose the layer break location.

[bbanderic]

PgcEdit lets you choose the layer break location.

True, but so does ImgBurn. I guess it's debateable whether PgcEdit is better than ImgBurn for choosing the LB position, I've never had a problem doing it with ImgBurn. Nothing against PgcEdit, great program, definitely worthy to have in the toolbox. I just think ImgBurn does just as good of a job for DL burning/backups.

[VegasBud]

ejai,

In your first post in this thread, when you said "...when I attempt to use a dvd+r DL I get disk read errors", it's likely that what you're seeing isn't actually a "read error" as much as the player's reaction to a bad layer break selection. While both create a similiar looking playback disruption, one is a media error, and the other is caused by poor choice of layer break position. Since you mention that you tried Verbatim, and it had the same problem, we can rule out the media (at least for now). In that case, just stick with using ImgBurn, which gives you more control over the layer break selection.

Even though the Ritek "seems to work fine", it isn't as consistently reliable as the Verbatim. It's your decision, but I would agree with the other posters in this thread that recommend only using the Verbatim for dual layer burns.

If you're still getting your problem when using ImgBurn, the first thing you should try is switching to the Verbatim.

[DereX888]

What VegasBud said is true, but lets not forget "bad reaction to DVD+R DL" in general by many standalone players.
First thing I would do would be to play the 'bad' disc on a player thats proven to have no problem with +R DL media (ie the writer itself on which the disc was burnt).

[TBoneit]

Well what I found was that a DL movie burn with nero would play in a Pioneer 531h but choke at the layer break in a Sony changer.

Imgburn DLs play fine in both as well as Philips 5960 and its newer sibling. BTW Nero DL burns of Divx/Xvid/Mpg as Data play fine in both Philips.

Must be a layer change problem.

BTW I seem to remember that Imgburn pads too.
I like the ability to preview layer change points and select from the choices. TDA3 authored DLs show a range of choices, all tagged as good, None show as best. So I usually choose the one that is closest to the 50/50 point. They play good. Even FF through the layer change seems flawless and I would suspect that would be harder?

[ejai]

I have made several disks using ImgBurn and it seems to work well. I'm not sure if the layer break is the culprit but the copies seem to be working fine.

Thanks all.

[TBoneit]

So imgburn has improved your DL burn quality? Now instead of 1 in 4 working what is your good bad ratio.

I'm asking for others that may end up searching for answers to this same problem.