GEttin A New Pc - Then ???

[XtremeFuturistic]

Hmmmmmm .....

Guys, I Wanna Make A Mid Budget - Rock Good Sense Pc, But I Am Lookin 2 Constraints.

1. This Pc Wud Be An Absolute Budget Pc. So No Core 2 Duo.

2. I Wanna Upgrade This New Pc To Core 2 Duo Within Next 6-8 Months, When Prices Come In Range Of 200$ For E6600. So Pls Help Me So That Most Of What I Shud Buy Today, Shud Be Easily Fitting Into The New Core 2 Duo That I Wanna Upgrade Later.



So What'S Up ---

I Want Right Now -

Amd Athlon 64 3500 --
-> Tell Me Why Shud I Buy Am2 & Not Socket 939 Of Amd3500. Any Advantages. I Know That Ddr2 Is Only Compatible Maybe With Am2 Model Only N Not With 939, But A Little Faster Ddr2 Is Not That Worthy Than Ddr - My Guess. Or Tell Me If I Am Wrong. .............. Just Help Me Ppl.

Ok This Is My Current Built Up.
I Will Add N Change As U All Like, But Tell Me The Reasons.

Amd 3500 Socket 939 ( Other Options -- Amd 3500 Am2 / Amd 3200 Am2 / Amd 3200 939 )
Seagate Baracuda 320 Gb Sata2 ( Other -- Seagate 320/300 Gb Sata / Wd 300 Gb Sata2 )
1 Gb Ram ( Ddr2 Or Ddr - Which Is Better ??? ) ( Transcend Or Corsair - Tell Me )
Dvd Write Drive ( I Am Complete Noob In This Choice - I Havent Had Any Experience In Dvd Drives - Just Tell Em Ur Experience ) ( I Think -- Benq / Nec / Liteon / Liteon Lightscribe )

Rest All Is Nothin Left - 1 Extra Fan, Win Xp Sp2 + Tiny Xp Experience Edition + Adv Server 2003 - Dual Boots )

Monitor - I Have Already
Mouse - Best Reasonable But Very Ultra Light To Use N Some More Advance Configurablity - But Inside 15 Bucks.

My Whole Budget, Excludin Monitor, Keyboard, Speakers Is Bout 500$ +-100 Bucks.

N Yes - I Missed - Tell Me Which Mobo - I Dont Play Most Latest Games, So Anythin Absolute Budget Will Rock Still - Nvidia 6100, 6200 Is Fine, Inbuilt Integrated Video N Sound - I Have Used Asus A8Nvm With Integ. Video - Nvidia 6100 N Its Fine For Now - Till I Get My Hands On The King Kong Core2Duo.

Sorry For The Long Post But I Need All Ur Help N Be Quick - Time Is Runnin Out.


Just 1 More Mention - I Want As I Told Ye, I Wanna Keep Most Of This Pc, Easily Upgraded Into A New Core2Duo, So Except From The Cpu N Mobo, All Shud Be Absolute Same With The 2 Pcs. Ie. Ram, Hard Drive Etc.


=============== Anyone With Prices - Wud Be Another Gr8 Help.

Now Do It. ........
Thanks.

[redwudz]

You might take a look at the guide I made a while back: https://forum.videohelp.com/viewtopic.php?t=315746

That's with a AM2 single core, but the dual core is about the same price at present and well worth any small price difference. The AMD 939 CPUs are at the end of their life cycle. You will likely just see older motherboards for them. You may find a bargain MB, though.

The dual core AM2 3800+ I run in my HTPC does multitasking very well. I can watch a movie, download from the net and encode at the same time with very little problems. Not really advised, but it works where my single core would have choked up. Encoding with Divx is also faster compared to a single core.

DDR2 memory doubled my memory bandwidth, so I am a big fan of it. And the cost is about the same as DDR at present. With the AM2 and DDR2 also comes a lot of bus improvements and better data throughput with the motherboard.

For what you want, I would go with on board video. You can always add a PCI-E video card at a later date. The video card is just for viewing, so no real effect on computer performance.

That computer I assembled came in at about $480US including OS, but no monitor. You can modify the parts list as that was an economy machine. But I am running Vista on it at present with no problems, so it is somewhat 'future proof'.

Memory. The most important item is a lifetime warranty. Most any good brand should have that. I use Corsair, Samsung, Crucial and a few others. I stay away from no-name RAM. 1GB is fine, even with Vista. With DDR2 you don't really need expensive memory as it is already very fast for data handling. Dual channel gives a few percent boost, but you may find a single 1GB module cheaper than two 512MB modules.

For most any video work, I would recommend more than one hard drive. I use a smaller one for boot and a bigger one for video and storage.

DVD drives. I like Pioneer and Benq, but the models change so often it's hard to make a recommendation. I have Sony, Benq, Pioneer, Liteon, and several others in different computers with no problems from any of them.

The prices I listed in that guide are a little old now, they change fairly fast. I see a dual core AM2 3800+ with cooler is about $130US at present, so not really expensive.

But whether you go AMD or Intel, dual core is a big plus, as is DDR2 memory and I highly recommend both.

[FulciLives]

Is this a joke?

I don't think you deserve a new computer until you take some English classes ... specifically grammar class.

You seem to have an issue forgetting to add "g" to the end of words which require that one single little letter. You also seem to have an issue with replacing the combination of "ou" with just "u". You also seem to use a word "WANNA" several times but that is not a word. I also see an issue with capitalism and God only knows!

I could go on but why bother.

Talk about a disaster!

- John "FulciLives" Coleman

[Soopafresh]

http://www.startribune.com/389/story/534351.html

[redwudz]

Uh, guys, he may not be a US citizen or a native English speaker. Some people learn poor English at a early age. It takes a bit more work with any language to understand that 'proper' English or the equivalent with any other language is not learned on the streets or on the web. This really has little to do with his post or his question. Please don't jump to conclusions.

[jameshgross]

I agree with FulciLives, the recent rash of badly written posts and posts with profanity seem to be on the rise.
The Mods must enforce a no profanity rule. Remenber not all the readers are adults.
Lets all try and set a higher standard.
Badly written posts should get no replies.

[TBoneit]

So you want to upgrade later to core 2 duo but for now you want to go AMD?

Thast means later on changing the motherboard too.

[XtremeFuturistic]

Is this a joke?

I don't think you deserve a new computer until you take some English classes ... specifically grammar class.

You seem to have an issue forgetting to add "g" to the end of words which require that one single little letter. You also seem to have an issue with replacing the combination of "ou" with just "u". You also seem to use a word "WANNA" several times but that is not a word. I also see an issue with capitalism and God only knows!

I could go on but why bother.

Talk about a disaster!

- John "FulciLives" Coleman

THX FOR THAT DUDE.

I Guess If U Cud Take Out So Much Mistakes Out Of My Post, Then Maybe You Cud Properly Read It Alright ...............


I Cud Write It All In Perfect Uk English, But That'S What My Style Of WRITIN' is.

[FulciLives]

Is this a joke?

I don't think you deserve a new computer until you take some English classes ... specifically grammar class.

You seem to have an issue forgetting to add "g" to the end of words which require that one single little letter. You also seem to have an issue with replacing the combination of "ou" with just "u". You also seem to use a word "WANNA" several times but that is not a word. I also see an issue with capitalism and God only knows!

I could go on but why bother.

Talk about a disaster!

- John "FulciLives" Coleman

THX FOR THAT DUDE.

I Guess If U Cud Take Out So Much Mistakes Out Of My Post, Then Maybe You Cud Properly Read It Alright ...............


I Cud Write It All In Perfect Uk English, But That'S What My Style Of WRITIN' is.

I can read it and understand it but it is NOT proper English and it is therefore extremely grating on one's senses to read and make sense of it as I need to concentrate harder on it in order to properly decipher it.

Do you really want to come across as a grating uneducated dolt of an individual? Does it really take that much longer to type the word proper as "could" instead of "Cud" (and with proper Capitalization to boot)?

What you need to understand is that you are not typing anything even remotely correct as per accepted English grammar (US or UK standards) so expect people to be annoyed and/or think that you have brain damage.

Finally I want to point out that we all make some simple mistakes with our spelling and/or choice of words. Especially on forum posts which tend to be done "off the cuff". However your posts have been so poorly written that it goes way beyond simple typos or rushed writing. It short it simply is not to be tolerated in a modern intellectual society such as the one we exist in now.

- John "FulciLives" Coleman

[mats.hogberg]

@ FulciLives: Please pipe down. You're not contributing to this thread.

@ XtremeFuturistic: Please try and use a language / spelling to make your point come across to as many as possible. This is an international forum, with a rather mature audience, not impressed by posts that come across as a GangstaRap.

@ all: No more off topic debate in this thread. Yellow armed & ready.

/Mats

[XtremeFuturistic]

AGREE

Well we had too little discussion here On-Topic. Guess, somebody had more time for it now

Anyone more to suggest ?

[budz]

Here's my 2 cents on the this topic. Why buy a AMD dual core cpu if you're wanting to buy a 2 Core Duo processor later? I can understand the expenses but in the long run you'll be saving more money if you just bought the low end E6300 2 Core Duo cpu and a budget mobo for it. I have a BIOSTAR mobo for my E6400 2 Core Duo processor which cost only $78.99. You can always overclock the E6300 processor with this mobo.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813138034

[uscboy]

I just swapped out my AMD 3500+ and ASUS A8V Deluxe board to go Core 2 Duo.

Bought a new Asus board, E6400, two new 320GB hard drives, a new video card, and 2GB of PC6400 DDR2-800 memory for $950ish.

Personally, if I didn't have the $950ish to swap out all of that, I would save what I had at the time until I had the money to do that. The 3500+ I had wasn't that slow... granted, the new system overclocked ot 3.2Ghz runs circles around it on encoding speeds and DVD Shrink speeds, but it wasn't like I was using a Pentium II-450 before... the AMD setup you have now is good enough in my opinion to stick with until you can save enough to do it right.

[ahhaa]

I just think you should all check out Soopafresh's very important post on hidden Vista constraints- which get right down to the board level...
https://forum.videohelp.com/viewtopic.php?t=320904
quoting http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista_cost.html#introduction

( btw- its in excellent English )

[Capmaster]

I Want Right Now -

Amd Athlon 64 3500 --

That's a pretty old and outdated CPU. Unless your finances are that tight, I would much prefer a lower-end Core 2 than that one.

Or if the Core 2 is still too much, what about an Athlon 64 x2. They're silly cheap nowadays if you don't get the top model, and they'll smoke that 3500 like nobody's business

[ranchhand]

For AM2 setups this Abit board is reasonable priced and is getting pretty good reviews.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813127010

[Agentx86]

I don't think this has been adequately covered, but please do not buy a socket 939 board now! Regular DDR prices are sure to only go up, much in the same way as we've watched SDRAM climb in recent years. Right now I have a 939 board with a 3800 dual core chip overclocked to the 4200's performance and 2GB of ram. While this is all well and good, my main problem is that when I next upgrade, my expensive ram will no longer be viable for a new system, despite it being really good DDR. An example of price: I bought the ram last July for $180, last I checked it was going for about $240. While DDR2 in reality doesn't give you much or any of a speed boost according to benchmarks, it is now the industry standard. Keep in mind also that these dual core chips are only going to be roughly as fast as their same-clocked single core counterparts if you're not multitasking or using mostly multithreaded programs. So, a 3800 dual core is only as fast as a 3200 single core at single-threaded apps. You either have to overclock by 200Mhz or get the 4200 to get to the level of a 3500 in many apps.

[XtremeFuturistic]

Guys pull up now n do demonstrate more.


Mean - it doesnt mean that i dont acknowledge the advices i have already got here, gr8 --- u guys did a splendid job. N made me narrow myself to only core2duo when i was lookin for it after 6 months. But ...

Theres a problem.

God hasnt gifted me with enuf money to buy a core2duo. To do things as i want. Damn it.

I think noone can solve this problem.

Guess what - i will loot or hack a site. - Which one wud u like to be - google or m$.

Hmmm. Seems i am goin nuts.


Solve this ppl - now comes the fun part --

Why shud i buy a core 2 duo e6600 n not a core 2 duo e6300.

Or 2nd question --

Why shud i buy a core 2 duo e6400 n not a core 2 duo e6300.

Basically, i can overclock e6300 to damnnesss i think, i mean good ones, so why not take a e6300.

Pls tell what r advantages of havin 200 mhz more power + of havin a 4mb cache than a 2mb cache - i am just goin nuts about the real performance - leave all theories. Tell me whyyyyy??


+ More questions -

Tell me how max can i safely, without buyin any more expensive coolers etc, i can oc e6300 max ??

Gettin me ??

I wanna buy a core2duo 6300 or core2duo 6400 now.

Finance - i will hack all the people who reply in this thread.

If u still dare - find some more resources, n tell me all ur experience.

[XtremeFuturistic]

@ EVERYONE

Just some clarifyin -

I have an AMD 3000+ right now - socket 939 === a Huge But Ok AMDFANBOY ===

I dONT WANNA game the latest games.

I need a good, reputed by u n others, Core2Duo mobo - with onnnnnnnnnnnboard graphics - nice n firm video graphics in that mobo as well - start from nvidia 6150 to nvidia 6600 - but under 100$ i think.

Guys, mind my budget for ur thoughts --- I am not poor but i am not rich.







Hey, u shell nice guys - can anyone of u be some philosophy shredder n tell me when that core2duo e6300/6400 can make to the 130$ mark --- I am crazy enuf to wait for 1 - 1.5 - 1........ months.

Dont reach more or atmost 3 montths. After that i am gonna be dead meat.


LOL Ram has started goin dirt cheap i think - wud be fancy nice.

[manono]

I Cud Write It All In Perfect Uk English, But That'S What My Style Of WRITIN' is.

This is a serious board. If you want to be taken seriously, write your native language properly. If that's what you were taught in school, I fear for the future of this country. I don't think you were taught this way, but are purposely making yourself stupid in your eyes and in the eyes of everyone else that has to read your drivel.

That said, get the Core 2 Duo E4300 right now for less than $180, or wait a bit for a price drop:

http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=80865&prodlist=shopping

Every generation a ridiculously overclockable bargain chip is born, and the Core 2 Duo E4300 is just that chip. Although it's not yet launched, Intel has a true winner on its hands with the E4300. Last year we saw overall desktop performance redefined by the Core 2 lineup, and in 2007 it looks like Intel will begin changing what we've come to expect in the sub-$200 CPU market. What's even more impressive is that in another quarter, the E4300 will drop even further to $133. At these prices you can build a second or third system with some very strong performance, at a very reasonable price tag.

http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2903&p=8

[kush]

1st of all what is your budget?

2nd What is the motherboard you're currently running? If you already have a S939 system, you could get a 3800-4400+, or an Opteron 165/170 for under $200. Availability is another question. With S939 dead, and no new procs for a long while now, you will start to see them available at less retailers; and prices will go up and supply dries up.

S939 is dead as a platform, at least as far as upgradability is concerned. But if your system is other wise fine component wise, you could get away with only a processor upgrade, and save for the real upgrade. Unless AMDs upcoming K8L really DOES have something up it's sleeve, I'd suggest C2D/C2Q. Hell, they're fairly cheap as is - you can get a 4300 or 6300 for well below $200. The real killer of course would be the DDR2 memory, new board, possibly video card (if you're AGP now), power supply, and so on.

/Happy Opteron 165 user until Core2 Quad becomes realistically affordable (or AMDs response in K8L if good enough).

[edit] Manono is right on the 4300 suggestion... But it's overpriced right now due to being very new - it's retailing @ $30+ over its MSRP. The good thing about that particular proc is that you don't need super-high end memory to get the most out of it (esp if overclocking) - DDR2-800 (PC6400) would be more than sufficient.

But, if I were you, I'd consider going the S939 dual core route still, esp if you budget is severely limited; it will certainly get you by until quad-core's from both camps become more prevalent, and thus dropping the prices for dual and quad both.

[edit2] Re-read you post a bit, I see you've got a ~$500 budget. Then upgrading to a current C2D/AM2 system is out of the question. Stay with S939 for now, look for a retailer w/ a dual-core S939 chip. You can get pretty much any of them under $500 now..Although I'd consider staying around the $200 mark I mentioned before, keep the remaining towards the full system upgrade later on.

And please clean up your spelling/grammar, it makes me cringe. I would not have had to re-read your orginal post again if you didn't post like a 12-year old. It's hard for people to take someone seriously if their "writing" looks like that. You're just lucky I haven't had enough morning coffee yet - I'm not in top form right now .

[edit3] Re-read AGAIN, Asus A8N-VM correct? It reportedly supports X2 CPUs, so dual core support should be fine, probably Opteron without issue as well.

[Agentx86]

OK, since you already have a 939 board, and I assume you have at least a decent amount of memory, just spring for a decent dual core AMD while they're still available like Kush said. I'll have to say I'm very happy with my 3800 dual core, and while I could use more speed (who couldn't?), it does everything I need, and looks like it will continue to do so for another year or so. If you are going to go that route though, you should do it soon, processor prices quickly rise as the platform is pushed into obsolescence by the manufacturer. As for planning processor upgrades in the future, I wouldn't let that hinder me from getting what I need now.
In response to the grammar issues, I am wondering, who else on these forums could type like that? I for one am not creative enough to concoct such a jumbled up mess of words, half words, and IM-type acronyms. I just write in boring, hopefully logical sentences.